Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[San Lumen]

So I presume we can expect chapter and verse from the CHAZ BAD crowd about how this is something that also shouldn't be allowed.

Or is it suddenly OK if it's for conservative political reasons?

There's a difference between a city violently seceding and allowing violence and starvation in the streets, and a few counties wanting to switch states. lol. These events are totally unrelated.

Yes but their proposed greater Idaho includes the two counties who voted no.

Getting outvoted is how democracy works. If they don’t like it to damn bad. Move out of the state.

Ok, and they're allowed to outvote you and leave your state. If you don't like it too damn bad.

Your reversal doesn’t work. The state legislature will never approve it.

[J o J]

There's a difference between a city violently seceding and allowing violence and starvation in the streets, and a few counties wanting to switch states. lol. These events are totally unrelated.



Ok, and they're allowed to outvote you and leave your state. If you don't like it too damn bad.

Your reversal doesn’t work. The state legislature will never approve it.

Yes it does. Explain why it does not. Let's see the state legislature try to stop them when they declare they're part of Idaho. What are they gonna do, send unarmed cops with social workers to "de-escalate" the situation?

[The Novakian Empire]

Considering the amount of hurdles involved in something like this (let's not forget how the delmarva experiment went), I doubt it goes anywhere, but if it does I'd be pretty happy for them, and I fully encourage their efforts. Rural Oregon has almost nothing to do with the urban parts, and they get relatively little input on the governance of the state due to their comparatively small population, restricting their voice and representation & causing great amounts of social tension.

[Arisyan]

like that'll ever happen.

[San Lumen]

Your reversal doesn’t work. The state legislature will never approve it.

Yes it does. Explain why it does not. Let's see the state legislature try to stop them when they declare they're part of Idaho. What are they gonna do, send unarmed cops with social workers to "de-escalate" the situation?

They can’t declare themselves part of Idaho without Salem’s consent. Leaving without approval would likely be an act of sedition and the county leaders would likely be arrested.

[San Lumen]

Considering the amount of hurdles involved in something like this (let's not forget how the delmarva experiment went), I doubt it goes anywhere, but if it does I'd be pretty happy for them, and I fully encourage their efforts. Rural Oregon has almost nothing to do with the urban parts, and they get relatively little input on the governance of the state due to their comparatively small population, restricting their voice and representation & causing great amounts of social tension.

Why don’t we break up or redraw every state based on rural and urban? They have a voice and representation.

Land, trees and cattle don’t vote. People do.

[Deblar]

(The comment below is not meant to be serious)

Why not not split off from Oregon and form a new state?

Because, mate, there's not enough room for another star on the flag. I mean let's be real, they should've stopped at Wyoming

They also probably wouldn’t be able to sustain themselves very well

[The Novakian Empire]

Considering the amount of hurdles involved in something like this (let's not forget how the delmarva experiment went), I doubt it goes anywhere, but if it does I'd be pretty happy for them, and I fully encourage their efforts. Rural Oregon has almost nothing to do with the urban parts, and they get relatively little input on the governance of the state due to their comparatively small population, restricting their voice and representation & causing great amounts of social tension.

Why don’t we break up or redraw every state based on rural and urban? They have a voice and representation.

Land, trees and cattle don’t vote. People do.

The people who live on that land, herd those cattle, and fell those trees will invariably have their differences with the urbanites of Oregon. Even if they all moved somewhere else like you've proposed, that wouldn't solve anything; Those who occupy the land after would still have the same issues.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes it does. Explain why it does not. Let's see the state legislature try to stop them when they declare they're part of Idaho. What are they gonna do, send unarmed cops with social workers to "de-escalate" the situation?

They can’t declare themselves part of Idaho without Salem’s consent. Leaving without approval would be an act of sedition and the county leaders would likely be arrested.

Given how well armed our society is I'm not sure it'd be that easy.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes it does. Explain why it does not. Let's see the state legislature try to stop them when they declare they're part of Idaho. What are they gonna do, send unarmed cops with social workers to "de-escalate" the situation?

They can’t declare themselves part of Idaho without Salem’s consent. Leaving without approval would be an act of sedition and the county leaders would likely be arrested.

Given how well armed our society is I'm not sure it'd be that easy.

[J o J]

Yes it does. Explain why it does not. Let's see the state legislature try to stop them when they declare they're part of Idaho. What are they gonna do, send unarmed cops with social workers to "de-escalate" the situation?

They can’t declare themselves part of Idaho without Salem’s consent. Leaving without approval would likely be an act of sedition and the county leaders would likely be arrested.

That makes no sense, this is the exact reason they're trying to switch states in the first place because Salem would not consent due to the party differences between rural and urban. The urban majority would hate to see the rural folks leaving because that proves their system doesn't work for everyone, so they'll block it to serve their own interests rather than let people better their own lives. Salem must be bypassed for this to happen. If it was to theoretically be called sedition, it would not be sedition against the federal government, only the state. I don't see why Idaho would be against welcoming some likeminded counties either.

They can’t declare themselves part of Idaho without Salem’s consent. Leaving without approval would be an act of sedition and the county leaders would likely be arrested.

Given how well armed our society is I'm not sure it'd be that easy.

True. Imagine what the typically pro-2A, gun owning, and conservative individuals would do if the unarmed Oregon cops came in with social workers or mental health workers to try to arrest them just for wanting to be a part of a different state. That's what they do in Eugene, Oregon, they send social workers and mental health people instead of police officers to 911 calls. That's how weak the Oregon criminal justice and enforcement branches are.

[San Lumen]

They can’t declare themselves part of Idaho without Salem’s consent. Leaving without approval would likely be an act of sedition and the county leaders would likely be arrested.

That makes no sense, this is the exact reason they're trying to switch states in the first place because Salem would not consent due to the party differences between rural and urban. The urban majority would hate to see the rural folks leaving because that proves their system doesn't work for everyone, so they'll block it to serve their own interests rather than let people better their own lives. Salem must be bypassed for this to happen. If it was to theoretically be called sedition, it would not be sedition against the federal government, only the state. I don't see why Idaho would be against welcoming some likeminded counties either.

Given how well armed our society is I'm not sure it'd be that easy.

True. Imagine what the typically pro-2A, gun owning, and conservative individuals would do if the unarmed Oregon cops came in with social workers to try to arrest them just for wanting to be a part of a different state.

They can’t bypass them. It would be an illegal act.

The system does work. These people don’t like that their candidates for statewide office lose consistently and that dirt, trees and cattle doesn’t vote. Pack up and move to Idaho.

[Vassenor]

They can’t declare themselves part of Idaho without Salem’s consent. Leaving without approval would likely be an act of sedition and the county leaders would likely be arrested.

That makes no sense, this is the exact reason they're trying to switch states in the first place because Salem would not consent due to the party differences between rural and urban. The urban majority would hate to see the rural folks leaving because that proves their system doesn't work for everyone, so they'll block it to serve their own interests rather than let people better their own lives. Salem must be bypassed for this to happen. If it was to theoretically be called sedition, it would not be sedition against the federal government, only the state. I don't see why Idaho would be against welcoming some likeminded counties either.

Given how well armed our society is I'm not sure it'd be that easy.

True. Imagine what the typically pro-2A, gun owning, and conservative individuals would do if the unarmed Oregon cops came in with social workers or mental health workers to try to arrest them just for wanting to be a part of a different state. That's what they do in Eugene, Oregon, they send social workers and mental health people instead of police officers to 911 calls. That's how weak the Oregon criminal justice and enforcement branches are.

Remember, its weakness to acknowledge that not all 911 calls need a full police response.

[J o J]

That makes no sense, this is the exact reason they're trying to switch states in the first place because Salem would not consent due to the party differences between rural and urban. The urban majority would hate to see the rural folks leaving because that proves their system doesn't work for everyone, so they'll block it to serve their own interests rather than let people better their own lives. Salem must be bypassed for this to happen. If it was to theoretically be called sedition, it would not be sedition against the federal government, only the state. I don't see why Idaho would be against welcoming some likeminded counties either.



True. Imagine what the typically pro-2A, gun owning, and conservative individuals would do if the unarmed Oregon cops came in with social workers or mental health workers to try to arrest them just for wanting to be a part of a different state. That's what they do in Eugene, Oregon, they send social workers and mental health people instead of police officers to 911 calls. That's how weak the Oregon criminal justice and enforcement branches are.

Remember, its weakness to acknowledge that not all 911 calls need a full police response.

They can easily escalate. In many cases the sight of the blue lights and sound of sirens will make people behave and calm down. If there's a non-criminal 911 call that has the potential to become criminal and you decide to send a damn social worker then you're going to potentially make the situation worse.

That makes no sense, this is the exact reason they're trying to switch states in the first place because Salem would not consent due to the party differences between rural and urban. The urban majority would hate to see the rural folks leaving because that proves their system doesn't work for everyone, so they'll block it to serve their own interests rather than let people better their own lives. Salem must be bypassed for this to happen. If it was to theoretically be called sedition, it would not be sedition against the federal government, only the state. I don't see why Idaho would be against welcoming some likeminded counties either.



True. Imagine what the typically pro-2A, gun owning, and conservative individuals would do if the unarmed Oregon cops came in with social workers to try to arrest them just for wanting to be a part of a different state.

They can’t bypass them. It would be an illegal act.

The system does work. These people don’t like that their candidates for statewide office lose consistently and that dirt, trees and cattle doesn’t vote. Pack up and move to Idaho.

Yeah they can. They can just say "we're part of Idaho now, see ya later" and you can't do anything because you don't have the ability to go over there and enforce your will effectively, and if Idaho endorses the move well then you might just be out of luck!

I never said it didn't work entirely, it just doesn't benefit the rural people and they want out of it. Their candidates consistently lose because they are heavily outnumbered. Their houses, businesses, and land will not move. The urban majority clearly does not need it nor care about it, they only care about it when they threaten to leave and make them look bad. Again, there is absolutely no reason to oppose letting them change states...

[The Dodo Republic]

GREATER IDAHO YES PLEASE

[San Lumen]

Remember, its weakness to acknowledge that not all 911 calls need a full police response.

They can easily escalate. In many cases the sight of the blue lights and sound of sirens will make people behave and calm down. If there's a non-criminal 911 call that has the potential to become criminal and you decide to send a damn social worker then you're going to potentially make the situation worse.

Can we stay on topic please?

[Lunas Legion]

That makes no sense, this is the exact reason they're trying to switch states in the first place because Salem would not consent due to the party differences between rural and urban. The urban majority would hate to see the rural folks leaving because that proves their system doesn't work for everyone, so they'll block it to serve their own interests rather than let people better their own lives. Salem must be bypassed for this to happen. If it was to theoretically be called sedition, it would not be sedition against the federal government, only the state. I don't see why Idaho would be against welcoming some likeminded counties either.



True. Imagine what the typically pro-2A, gun owning, and conservative individuals would do if the unarmed Oregon cops came in with social workers to try to arrest them just for wanting to be a part of a different state.

They can’t bypass them. It would be an illegal act.

The system does work. These people don’t like that their candidates for statewide office lose consistently and that dirt, trees and cattle doesn’t vote. Pack up and move to Idaho.

You're asking farmers to move to Idaho.

Ah yes, that most mobile of trades, farmers. Land is expensive and hard to sell. Maybe they want to move, but simply can't.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They can’t bypass them. It would be an illegal act.

The system does work. These people don’t like that their candidates for statewide office lose consistently and that dirt, trees and cattle doesn’t vote. Pack up and move to Idaho.

You're asking farmers to move to Idaho.

Ah yes, that most mobile of trades, farmers.

Just take your land with you smh

[J o J]

They can easily escalate. In many cases the sight of the blue lights and sound of sirens will make people behave and calm down. If there's a non-criminal 911 call that has the potential to become criminal and you decide to send a damn social worker then you're going to potentially make the situation worse.

Can we stay on topic please?

Tell that to Vassenor, lol.

[San Lumen]

They can’t bypass them. It would be an illegal act.

The system does work. These people don’t like that their candidates for statewide office lose consistently and that dirt, trees and cattle doesn’t vote. Pack up and move to Idaho.

You're asking farmers to move to Idaho.

Ah yes, that most mobile of trades, farmers. Land is expensive and hard to sell. Maybe they want to move, but simply can't.

Stunts like this are also not the answer. Crops and cattle doesn’t vote.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You're asking farmers to move to Idaho.

Ah yes, that most mobile of trades, farmers. Land is expensive and hard to sell. Maybe they want to move, but simply can't.

Stunts like this are also not the answer. Crops and cattle doesn’t vote.

What is the answer then, Lumen?

[J o J]

You're asking farmers to move to Idaho.

Ah yes, that most mobile of trades, farmers. Land is expensive and hard to sell. Maybe they want to move, but simply can't.

Stunts like this are also not the answer. Crops and cattle doesn’t vote.

You keep saying that for some reason. Concrete skyscrapers and highways don't vote either...

[San Lumen]

Stunts like this are also not the answer. Crops and cattle doesn’t vote.

What is the answer then, Lumen?

Accept how democracy works.

Stunts like this are also not the answer. Crops and cattle doesn’t vote.

You keep saying that for some reason. Concrete skyscrapers and highways don't vote either...

No people do.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What is the answer then, Lumen?

Accept how democracy works.

What do you do when democracy stops working for you?

[The Two Jerseys]

It has nothing to do with losing elections. It's about the winners of the election ignoring the interests of the minority.

How are they being ignored?

Enacting environmental legislation crippling the industries that are the lifeblood of those counties, using dirty tricks like labeling that environmental legislation as "emergency legislation" so that they can ram it through while denying the people their right to hold a referendum on the legislation...