Five Oregon Counties vote to Join Idaho

[Punished UMN]

That's a deflection, and one you've overused.

Answer the question directly, why is it not ok for the Electoral College to ignore the will of the people, but it is ok for the states to do so?

Whomever gets the most votes should be elected. End of story. The electoral college is a relic from another era that no longer serves its original purpose.

To stop the popular will (i.e. democracy) from overruling the wishes of the state and regime is the foremost purpose of constitutional courts. The actual writers of the constitution were pretty clear about that.

What regime? The Oregon government was voted in via a free and fair election. They are under no obligation to indulge temper tantrum’s by people who can’t accept the outcome of elections.

What happens to marijuana farmers whose livelihoods would be ruined if the county joined Idaho?

Regime just means the structure of power, a democratic republic is a type of regime.

"They are under no obligation to indulge temper tantrums by people."
By their constituents who feel that the government is not acting in their interests. Let's talk about what is actually happening instead of reducing people to caricatures. Believe it or not, people, including people who are wrong or against you, often have legitimate grievances that need to be discussed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Just move : )

I'd disagree on this for the same reason I disagree with Lumen saying the same thing.

Maybe Idaho and Oregon could make a deal that, in the seceding counties, the weed farmers can still operate.

Oh yeah no I disagree with it too, I'm just taking the piss out of all the people who are complaining about the folks in these counties who wouldn't want to join Idaho or would be shafted because of it. Their whole "lol just move, dumb hicks" mantra goes both ways.

[San Lumen]

Whomever gets the most votes should be elected. End of story. The electoral college is a relic from another era that no longer serves its original purpose.



What regime? The Oregon government was voted in via a free and fair election. They are under no obligation to indulge temper tantrum’s by people who can’t accept the outcome of elections.

What happens to marijuana farmers whose livelihoods would be ruined if the county joined Idaho?

Regime just means the structure of power, a democratic republic is a type of regime.

"They are under no obligation to indulge temper tantrums by people."
By their constituents who feel that the government is not acting in their interests. Let's talk about what is actually happening instead of reducing people to caricatures. Believe it or not, people, including people who are wrong or against you, often have legitimate grievances that need to be discussed.

Move to Idaho instead of pulling stunts like this.

[Punished UMN]

Regime just means the structure of power, a democratic republic is a type of regime.

"They are under no obligation to indulge temper tantrums by people."
By their constituents who feel that the government is not acting in their interests. Let's talk about what is actually happening instead of reducing people to caricatures. Believe it or not, people, including people who are wrong or against you, often have legitimate grievances that need to be discussed.

Move to Idaho instead of pulling stunts like this.

Voting to express your dissatisfaction with how you are being governed isn't a "stunt", it's the entire point of democracy. The solution to people not being represented by their government is not to just leave, if it were, we'd still have Jim Crow in my neck of the woods.

[San Lumen]

Move to Idaho instead of pulling stunts like this.

Voting to express your dissatisfaction with how you are being governed isn't a "stunt", it's the entire point of democracy. The solution to people not being represented by their government is not to just leave, if it were, we'd still have Jim Crow in my neck of the woods.

Jim Crow and voting to change boundaries are completely different things.

[Salus Maior]

Move to Idaho instead of pulling stunts like this.

This is not a solution to any kind of politics and it makes you look stupid for continuing to suggest it.

Use your head, Lumen. At least once you drop the cognitive dissonance and partisan bias.

[San Lumen]

Move to Idaho instead of pulling stunts like this.

This is not a solution to any kind of politics and it makes you look stupid for continuing to suggest it.

Use your head, Lumen. At least once you drop the cognitive dissonance and partisan bias.

I am using it. It’s simply not going to happen that Oregon gives away two thirds of their land. Plus you have the issue of federal owned land, state highways, towns that don’t want to leave, people whose livelihoods would be ruined by the boundary change.

You have a solution to any of that?

[Punished UMN]

Voting to express your dissatisfaction with how you are being governed isn't a "stunt", it's the entire point of democracy. The solution to people not being represented by their government is not to just leave, if it were, we'd still have Jim Crow in my neck of the woods.

Jim Crow and voting to change boundaries are completely different things.

But your same argument applies. If they don't like the way they are being governed, they can just move, right? It's a childish argument. If your talking points are identical to Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager, maybe you ought to reexamine your position.

[Washington Resistance Army]

towns that don’t want to leave, people whose livelihoods would be ruined by the boundary change.

Then sell your property and move.

[Salus Maior]

This is not a solution to any kind of politics and it makes you look stupid for continuing to suggest it.

Use your head, Lumen. At least once you drop the cognitive dissonance and partisan bias.

I am using it. It’s simply not going to happen that Oregon gives away two thirds of their land. Plus you have the issue of federal owned land, state highways, towns that don’t want to leave, people whose livelihoods would be ruined by the boundary change.

You have a solution to any of that?

Yes, and the consequences to your appearance apply.

Yeah, we've been talking about solutions this entire time, Lumen.

[Salus Maior]

towns that don’t want to leave, people whose livelihoods would be ruined by the boundary change.

Then sell your property and move.

Oh, WRA, that's different.

They're likely to vote Blue.

[San Lumen]

towns that don’t want to leave, people whose livelihoods would be ruined by the boundary change.

Then sell your property and move.

Sell all their land and establish a new farm elsewhere? I’m not a a farmer and even I know it’s not that simple.

[Great Algerstonia]

Sell all their land and establish a new farm elsewhere? I’m not a a farmer and even I know it’s not that simple.

They can just play raid shadow legends

[San Lumen]

I am using it. It’s simply not going to happen that Oregon gives away two thirds of their land. Plus you have the issue of federal owned land, state highways, towns that don’t want to leave, people whose livelihoods would be ruined by the boundary change.

You have a solution to any of that?

Yes, and the consequences to your appearance apply.

Yeah, we've been talking about solutions this entire time, Lumen.

You haven’t given solutions. All you’ve said is the will of the people is being ignored and the state legislature should already be in talks to let them go.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sell all their land and establish a new farm elsewhere? I’m not a a farmer and even I know it’s not that simple.

Congratulations Lumen, you finally understand why "just move" is a fucking braindead retort on this matter.

[Salus Maior]

Sell all their land and establish a new farm elsewhere? I’m not a a farmer and even I know it’s not that simple.

And your hypocrisy is hereby obvious to everyone.

[San Lumen]

Sell all their land and establish a new farm elsewhere? I’m not a a farmer and even I know it’s not that simple.

Congratulations Lumen, you finally understand why "just move" is a fucking braindead retort on this matter.

And you therefore understand why this stunt won’t get the light of day in the Capitol?

[Salus Maior]

Yes, and the consequences to your appearance apply.

Yeah, we've been talking about solutions this entire time, Lumen.

You haven’t given solutions. All you’ve said is the will of the people is being ignored and the state legislature should already be in talks to let them go.

Yes, and those talks should be making compromises for the smooth transition. Which would include protecting the rights of everyone present in those counties the most feasible way possible.

It's almost as if you don't read anything.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Congratulations Lumen, you finally understand why "just move" is a fucking braindead retort on this matter.

And you therefore understand why this stunt won’t get the light of day in the Capitol?

Yeah because there's not enough voters for it to matter and they can be safely ignored despite their grievances. I've understood that from the start, it's been a big complaint of mine for years when it comes to our system.

[Salus Maior]

Congratulations Lumen, you finally understand why "just move" is a fucking braindead retort on this matter.

And you therefore understand why this stunt won’t get the light of day in the Capitol?

You really don't understand how obviously hypocritical and partisan your position is, do you?

[San Lumen]

You haven’t given solutions. All you’ve said is the will of the people is being ignored and the state legislature should already be in talks to let them go.

Yes, and those talks should be making compromises for the smooth transition. Which would include protecting the rights of everyone present in those counties the most feasible way possible.

It's almost as if you don't read anything.

What solution is there for the issues I addressed? Some of them can’t be solved by just give them what they want. You can’t make every marijuana farmer an enclave or exclave.

And you therefore understand why this stunt won’t get the light of day in the Capitol?

Yeah because there's not enough voters for it to matter and they can be safely ignored despite their grievances. I've understood that from the start, it's been a big complaint of mine for years when it comes to our system.

Tell me what your solution is? We go back to the days of pre Reynolds v Sims? Have statewide offices decided by number of state legislative districts or counties won?

[Punished UMN]

Yes, and those talks should be making compromises for the smooth transition. Which would include protecting the rights of everyone present in those counties the most feasible way possible.

It's almost as if you don't read anything.

What solution is there for the issues I addressed? Some of them can’t be solved by just give them what they want. You can’t make every marijuana farmer an enclave or exclave.

Maybe the state legislature could address the issues that the people in the area feel unrepresented on?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah because there's not enough voters for it to matter and they can be safely ignored despite their grievances. I've understood that from the start, it's been a big complaint of mine for years when it comes to our system.

Tell me what your solution is? We go back to the days of pre Reynolds v Sims? Have statewide offices decided by number of state legislative districts or counties won?

You already know what my solution is. In an ideal world we'd burn the entire system down and start over from scratch. We had some neat ideas back in the 1700's, but they fucking suck nowadays and change is much too hard to do within the confines of the system.

[San Lumen]

What solution is there for the issues I addressed? Some of them can’t be solved by just give them what they want. You can’t make every marijuana farmer an enclave or exclave.

Maybe the state legislature could address the issues that the people in the area feel unrepresented on?

Fine. Their legislators could also stop acting like children as well.

Tell me what your solution is? We go back to the days of pre Reynolds v Sims? Have statewide offices decided by number of state legislative districts or counties won?

You already know what my solution is. In an ideal world we'd burn the entire system down and start over from scratch. We had some neat ideas back in the 1700's, but they fucking suck nowadays and change is much too hard to do within the confines of the system.

What would you replace it with?

[Salus Maior]

Yes, and those talks should be making compromises for the smooth transition. Which would include protecting the rights of everyone present in those counties the most feasible way possible.

It's almost as if you don't read anything.

What solution is there for the issues I addressed? Some of them can’t be solved by just give them what they want. You can’t make every marijuana farmer an enclave or exclave.

You'd know if you've been reading what I've been writing.

Idaho and Oregon can make compromises for the counties in question. For example, within the seceding counties there can be exemptions for weed growers to operate and continue their business. Even if they're not allowed to operate within the entirety of Idaho.

Think of it in the same way "dry counties" operate. You can't sell alcohol in some counties, even if it's legal in the whole state. Except in this case weed growing and selling would be legal in some counties and not in others.