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Postby Elphole » Mon May 17, 2021 11:11 pm

Banning is usually an overreaction to something that is best dealt with through arguments.

I'm not sure that Tok Tok is even a problem, but banning it is not the solution to whatever Tik Tok is.

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Postby The Imagination Animals » Tue May 18, 2021 4:32 am

The Alma Mater wrote:Do note that other users will be shown vastly different videos and have no idea what you are talking about ;)

I understand that not all of TikTok is toxic, but I’m just saying...
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Postby Palcania » Tue May 18, 2021 4:36 am

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:Why are we allowing a country like China; one of the most notorious human rights violators on the face of the Earth; to market in first world countries a cellphone app viewed by impressionable kids?

At best, it further funds that fucked up fascist dystopia. By rights there should be no trade with China in the first place.

At worst, it enables China to smuggle low-key, subtle propaganda messages into kids' minds. How do we know the kinds of speech that passes for "progressive" on TikTok wasn't a ploy by China to make progressives look irrational so kids would be more comfortable with China deregulating the workplace to the point where citizens die in industrial accidents by the hundreds at a time? How do we know what passes for "anti-eugenics" speech on TikTok wasn't a ploy by China to make anti-eugenics activists look irrational so kids would be more comfortable with Xi Jinping having Muslim women forced to abort? Why else do you think kids still buy their t-shirts from China? Why not ban TikTok to be on the safe side?

When we speak of "freedom of movement," that freedom doesn't cross international boundaries. Try to cross international boundaries illegally, and you will be thrown into some of the most notoriously cruel prisons in the first world.

When we speak of "the right to bear arms," that right doesn't cross international boundaries. Try to smuggle guns across international boundaries, your sorry ass is going to the slammer.

When we speak of the "free market," that freedom doesn't cross international boundaries. Trump's tariffs against international trade didn't cost him the right-wing vote; predominantly of the same voters who were otherwise such market-worshippers they voted Romney the previous time.

So why does freedom of speech include the right of countries that don't believe in freedom of speech to market cellphone apps to impressionable kids in the first world?


You have the Chinese flag.

Also Mitt Romney sucks, and also.

Tik Tok is trash ngl.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 18, 2021 7:17 am

Idk what's more cringe. Lame ass videos on tiktok or the fact that the former "president" tried to ban the app after a bunch of kids who were 55 years younger than him but 10 years more mentally mature than him ruined one of his rallies.
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Postby Tordyor » Tue May 18, 2021 7:19 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Idk what's more cringe. Lame ass videos on tiktok or the fact that the former "president" tried to ban the app after a bunch of kids who were 55 years younger than him but 10 years more mentally mature than him ruined one of his rallies.


The latter. Definitely the latter.

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Postby Insaanistan » Tue May 18, 2021 7:20 am

The Imagination Animals wrote:I have to be honest with you: In my opinion, TikTok is one of the most toxic apps in current day social media. I notice that there seem to be a lot of chaos, including harassments and bullying of Gacha users, and a "SpongeBob Cult" which I felt was definitely not necessary. There are also game wars, hate pages, and even controversy over rappers such as XXXTENTACION and Juice WRLD.

In terms of the amount of chaos, yeah. In terms of creativity, not really.

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Postby Satanic Coronavirus » Tue May 18, 2021 7:25 am

TIKTOK SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY BANNED! BY ME,SATAN! TIKTOKERS WON'T EXIST ANYMORE!

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 18, 2021 7:26 am

What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.
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Postby Tordyor » Tue May 18, 2021 7:28 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.


You don't solve that by banning their means of overinflationary egoism.
You solve that by ignoring them.

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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue May 18, 2021 7:30 am

There's plenty platforms the general content could go to anyway, banning it seems kinda superfluous. I'm in the "don't like it, don't watch" camp.

Also lol & the idea that autistic people daring to not hide is somehow a bad thing.

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.


If they reach that point, odds are a lot of people liked watching it. I wager a lot of people'd be very pleased with themselves reaching that kinda audience. Sit down and let people be proud, gosh.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 18, 2021 7:31 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.

How do you know about the egos of the popular creators on TikTok if you don't know who they are beyond hearing some co-workers mention them?
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue May 18, 2021 7:33 am

Ifreann wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.

How do you know about the egos of the popular creators on TikTok if you don't know who they are beyond hearing some co-workers mention them?


I'm not interested - ergo, the person can't be famous.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 18, 2021 7:34 am

Tordyor wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.


You don't solve that by banning their means of overinflationary egoism.
You solve that by ignoring them.


I dont wanna ban tiktok. I just want it kept away from anything not tiktok, like YouTube which i frequent daily.
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Postby Samicana » Tue May 18, 2021 7:34 am

No, what we need to do instead is require Tiktok and all other social media platforms to enable users to easily see where their data is being stored and what exactly the company does with it. If they can't do that, shut them down until they do.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 18, 2021 7:35 am

Ifreann wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.

How do you know about the egos of the popular creators on TikTok if you don't know who they are beyond hearing some co-workers mention them?


Iffy, because when I go on YouTube they're on there too. They aren't exactly private about their lives or feelings.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue May 18, 2021 7:38 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How do you know about the egos of the popular creators on TikTok if you don't know who they are beyond hearing some co-workers mention them?


Iffy, because when I go on YouTube they're on there too. They aren't exactly private about their lives or feelings.


Are you obligated to watch Tiktok stuff on Youtube? Or read whatever comments they make?
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Postby Sherechia » Tue May 18, 2021 7:38 am

Samicana wrote:No, what we need to do instead is require Tiktok and all other social media platforms to enable users to easily see where their data is being stored and what exactly the company does with it. If they can't do that, shut them down until they do.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 18, 2021 7:50 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How do you know about the egos of the popular creators on TikTok if you don't know who they are beyond hearing some co-workers mention them?


Iffy, because when I go on YouTube they're on there too. They aren't exactly private about their lives or feelings.

When YouTube recommends videos to me that I'm not interested in, I don't watch them. So I don't know about the people in them, unless I happen to have heard about them somewhere else. I generally couldn't tell you anything about the egos of the people who make videos I don't watch.
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Postby Nolo gap » Tue May 18, 2021 7:52 am

well right off, "should we allow?"
is who the 'f' are we to allow or not allow, anything beyond our own soil.
(whoever is the "we" being referred to for that matter)
and how is it being suggested "we" go about this allow or not allow?

as for violations, yes that is absolutely, or ought to be, a priority consideration,
however; capitalist and/or "free" countries have a long history of alliances with horrible civil rights violators, as long as the were willing to worship greenbacks.

and if you recall, p.r.china, switched over to joining that club, even if they do still call themselves one of those "people's" things.
did that about, hmm, 30 or 40 years ago as i recall.

there are of course disadvantages to being dependent on other nations for the production of anything,
but it seems like this tends to be overlooked when it is to a 'profit' advantage to do so.

tiktok is only a special case do to the nature of the service it provides, otherwise in is a completely typical one.

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Postby Austreylia » Tue May 18, 2021 8:22 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.

I never thought I'd agree for you.

And half of the "dances" on tiktok are not dances. Waving your arms around and moving your head a little doesn't constitute dancing in my book.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue May 18, 2021 8:26 am

Austreylia wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:What I don't like is how tiktok overinflates the egos of alot of the people on it. One day they make a video doing some bizarre ass fucking Martian tribal dance to a song no one asked for nor wanted to even hear, and next day they're an alleged star overnight. Like I'm sorry but who the fuck are you? I wouldn't even know of some of these people if everyone at my job was over age 18. Like calm yourself down, you aren't that famous.

I never thought I'd agree for you.

And half of the "dances" on tiktok are not dances. Waving your arms around and moving your head a little doesn't constitute dancing in my book.


Iono, you should see the dull shit that passed for dancing in the 50s.
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Postby Gaynada » Tue May 18, 2021 8:30 am

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:Why are we allowing a country like China; one of the most notorious human rights violators on the face of the Earth; to market in first world countries a cellphone app viewed by impressionable kids?

... ...

So why does freedom of speech include the right of countries that don't believe in freedom of speech to market cellphone apps to impressionable kids in the first world?


This is your major concern?

China also produces so many cheap products, half-fabricates, and specialised mass-production (like face masks) that we can't have the world economy without them.

Given that they also have a tendency to eat tarpins and bats and other potential sources of the next global pandemic, given that they have the largest concentration of fowl+pigs+cows+humans tightly packed together (a.k.a. cross-species infection heaven), and given the fact that they actually deny pandemics until the window of opportunity for stopping them in their tracks has already closed,

maybe social media applications are not the worst problem here?

Kids are not impressionable, by the way. The conformist, authority-obedient over-sixty-crowd, the ones who still believe the evening news is unbiased: they are the most impressionable.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 18, 2021 8:39 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Austreylia wrote:I never thought I'd agree for you.

And half of the "dances" on tiktok are not dances. Waving your arms around and moving your head a little doesn't constitute dancing in my book.


Iono, you should see the dull shit that passed for dancing in the 50s.

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Unlike anything ever seen on TikTok, I'm sure.
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Postby Runna » Tue May 18, 2021 10:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Iono, you should see the dull shit that passed for dancing in the 50s.

Image
Unlike anything ever seen on TikTok, I'm sure.


Not to be a know-it-all, but that gif is of a dance from the 1920-ies....

1950-ies was the twist and all that no-longer-jazz.

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Postby Esthe » Tue May 18, 2021 10:42 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Austreylia wrote:I never thought I'd agree for you.

And half of the "dances" on tiktok are not dances. Waving your arms around and moving your head a little doesn't constitute dancing in my book.


Iono, you should see the dull shit that passed for dancing in the 50s.

The 80s were worse.

I don’t really like TikTok much, but I don’t think we should really ban it unless it suddenly turned into a Trumpist conspiracy hellhole.
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