Leftist/Liberal opinions on the Third Amendment?

[NS Miami]

The third amendment didn't go far enough. Even in wartime, quartering troops is not an obligation of the civilian.

In times of war it might be a reasonable restriction of the civilian's property rights for the common good. But if it's reasonable or not, given the situation, should be established by law and not by the arbitrary power of those who wield superior force, like armed soldiers.

Bro I can agree with this part - should be established by law, according to the exact details.

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The third amendment didn't go far enough. Even in wartime, quartering troops is not an obligation of the civilian.

In times of war it might be a reasonable restriction of the civilian's property rights for the common good. But if it's reasonable or not, given the situation, should be established by law and not by the arbitrary power of those who wield superior force, like armed soldiers.

If people are not willing to voluntarily do what it takes to win the war, that's a sign that it isn't a just war.

[NS Miami]

In times of war it might be a reasonable restriction of the civilian's property rights for the common good. But if it's reasonable or not, given the situation, should be established by law and not by the arbitrary power of those who wield superior force, like armed soldiers.

If people are not willing to voluntarily do what it takes to win the war, that's a sign that it isn't a just war.

I strongly disagree the Vietnam war is the perfect example, as far as I am concerned the Vietnam war is justified, after the Vietnam war there were millions of Vietnamese boat people, political refugees escaping the Vietnamese communist and real concentration, re education camps, like the Cuban Balsero Rafter crisis, across shark infested waters on anything that floats, even cars, trucks and taxi cabs. I used to work with 2 North Koreans, a Vietnamese Lady, a Nicaraguan Lady, on our one hour long break we used to talk in English and share stories about our native nations of Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Nicaragua, under the communist, socialists, Sandinistas of the time, and we found out we have a lot in common. supported by the Democrats and Bernie Sanders of the time. The Nicaraguan Lady lost her 3 brothers fighting for the Contras in Nicaragua, she was forced to work on Cuban government farms as a so called volunteer farm worker by the Sandinista communist socialists of the time, and was forced to sing and chant anti American, anti USA, pro revolutionary songs and chants like, No Pasaran, they shall not Pass. Cuban government agents tortured American soldiers in Vietnam, according to Republican War Hero John McCain and other sources, in Cuba there were re real re education camps for gays, catholic s, protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Cuban Political Prisoners and whatevers, under Fidel and Raúl, Castro Ruz, I have former Cuban Political Prisoners in my family, one of them a famous former Cuban Political Prisoner, who has or had a house in Venezuela named after him in his honor, to help Cuban Political Prisoners and my family immigrate legally to the USA and Miami the right way, I visited Venezuela about a year and a half before Hugo Chávez took power, the stores were filled with goods and customers, the streets were filled with vendors and customers, my Cuban family was shocked at the stores filed with goods and customers, at the streets filled with vendors and customers, at the freedoms of the Venezuelan People, I went to Venezuela to greet them at the Airport, to help my family in Venezuela financially $ and rented them an Apartment so they did not have to live at the house and with care packages while they stayed in Venezuela, then they immigrated legally to the USA and Miami, the right way, like all my family and we are Proud of it with Pride and Honor, USA, USA, USA, as I have posted about in details in the 100 % Percent proper thread.

Source Reuters, A few Excerpts:
Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro took on front-running U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Monday, accusing him of lying about Cubans torturing American prisoners of war in Vietnam.

At a campaign stop in Miami last month, the Arizona senator told anti-Castro exiles that American POWs held with him in Hanoi were tortured by "a couple of Cubans."

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN11638023

[NS Miami]

I'm not sure how this ties to leftist social or economic views. It's mostly just a result of British quartering in American homes back in, like, the French and Indian War. I don't think anyone wants soldiers to barge in and treat themselves to your fridge.

The American Military Armed Forces are welcomed to stay at my house any time they need to0, all expenses $ Paid if need too. It is my Patriotic duty as an American Patriot citizen of the USA for the Greatest nation in the world, USA, USA, USA.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

If people are not willing to voluntarily do what it takes to win the war, that's a sign that it isn't a just war.

I strongly disagree the Vietnam war is the perfect example, as far as I am concerned the Vietnam war is justified

A war started by false pretenses and lies, and in which American soldiers raped and murdered thousands of Vietnamese civilians. Yeah nah, you don't need to like the Viet Cong to know America was anything but "freedom fighters" in that war.

[Ifreann]

The Third Amendment is funny for being almost entirely irrelevant.

[North Sonovia]

You're fine with overturning election results you don't like and you think people have a duty to house soldiers and do anything they wish. At this point pretty much your only hang up with the government in Cuba seems to be that your family is the one who got the short end of the stick back in the day, you seem like you'd be on board with everything else.

Bro recently on this thread as Greater Miami Shores I posted and explained in details: I would want the democratic right to decide if I want to house a US soldier in my house, but it would be my Patriotic duty to do so in such a circumstance. Since I think Lady Liberty's comment is clearly related to the right wing violence by the minority of right wingers who did at the Capitol building. To Lady Liberty and all of you who strongly agree with the Lady. We Proud Republicans, Republican Trump supporters, Republican Ronald Reagan supporters, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida supporters, and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA supporters who said at the Trump rally, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and are doing so today across the nation of the USA, love America, love the USA, love Democracy, the Trump rally was to support President Trump and to support and encourage Republican Politicians to object to the electoral college votes in question. Like many Democrats objected to the electoral college votes for Trump and other Republican Presidents in the 2016 elections and other elections, using the same and or similar words. But the leftist media and Democrat talking points, make it sound like, the Pro Trump rally was about stopping the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College votes and inciting a Political coup d'état against the government of the USA. The millions of us are all Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Proud Republican President Ronald Reagan supporters, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA, Proud, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride And Honor, no matter what any Persons and any leftists of any kinds say, think or believe about us. I Rest My Case GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride And Honor.

The hate for Republican President Trump, me and his Proud Pro USA, USA, USA, Supporters has been there across the nation of the USA for over 4 Years, this why the Democrats committed massive vote fraud against him, because they Hate Him, as I have posted about in details many times. the Capitol violence by the minority of right wingers who did made it worse, but it has been there for over 4 Years. as North Sonovia the OP of this thread strongly agrees with me.

The only thing I and many of us strongly agree with the leftists on President Trump is, President Trump is not a Gentleman, and all of us know the ways President Trump is not a Gentleman.

As far as we, the millions of us are concerned Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA, and Republican President Ronald Reagan are the two Greatest American Presidents of the USA. These are the real reasons we are Trump Cultists, Reagan Cultists, Ron DeSantis Cultists, with Pride and Honor.
They want a Republican Trump DeSantis ticket in 2024 and for Ron DeSantis to succeed him as President of the USA. All Proud Republicans I talk too personally and on the right wing news sites I post on from time to time, strongly agree with me, strongly disagree with you guys and leftists, what a coincidence, the millions of us?

I keep explaining our side of it which is what counts to us, what leftists say, think, post, link to and believe is irrelevant to us, we are us and we know what we are, how we are and why we are. We are as I described on this post above. It is not my fault and our fault you leftists strongly disagree with us. Viva Cuba Libre as a right wing capitalist nation, as a western style multi political party nation, with all its western faults and merits. I can even support Cuba as a Province of España La Madre Patria, as the ever faithful isle, island Province of España La Madre Patria, Viva España La Madre Patria.

Bro and all of you, how many times do I have to keep explaining it in details with Pride And Honor? GMS.

You keep saying Lady Liberty and it's confusing me. You mean Lady Victory, right?

[Ethel mermania]

The Third Amendment is funny for being almost entirely irrelevant.

If this were 1789 you wouldn't say that. in the 1700's British troops were quartered in American homes by force. It was so hated by the colonists it was put into the constitution. There is quite a bit of history regarding the hidiousness of the brits during this period. The third amendment was to guard against the government doing it again.

Its hilarious to think someone would try to make a serious conversation about what either party thinks about it today

[Kubra]

The Third Amendment is funny for being almost entirely irrelevant.

It's frankly weird that whigs and crypto-whigs ended up a big thing in the states, since whiggish hatred of the army is what led to the amendment in the first place.

[NS Miami]

I strongly disagree the Vietnam war is the perfect example, as far as I am concerned the Vietnam war is justified

A war started by false pretenses and lies, and in which American soldiers raped and murdered thousands of Vietnamese civilians. Yeah nah, you don't need to like the Viet Cong to know America was anything but "freedom fighters" in that war.

To all of You, Did you read my whole post in context? Yes the Vietnam war is justified. Just ask the Vietnamese Lady I worked with? Just ask the millions of Vietnamese boat people all over the world? Just ask the American soldiers toured in Vietnam? Just ask the American Soldiers tortured in Vietnam by my fellow Cubans of the eternal communist dictatorship regime of Fidel and Raúl, Castor Ruz, Yes the Vietnam War is justified.

[NS Miami]

Bro recently on this thread as Greater Miami Shores I posted and explained in details: I would want the democratic right to decide if I want to house a US soldier in my house, but it would be my Patriotic duty to do so in such a circumstance. Since I think Lady Liberty's comment is clearly related to the right wing violence by the minority of right wingers who did at the Capitol building. To Lady Liberty and all of you who strongly agree with the Lady. We Proud Republicans, Republican Trump supporters, Republican Ronald Reagan supporters, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida supporters, and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA supporters who said at the Trump rally, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and are doing so today across the nation of the USA, love America, love the USA, love Democracy, the Trump rally was to support President Trump and to support and encourage Republican Politicians to object to the electoral college votes in question. Like many Democrats objected to the electoral college votes for Trump and other Republican Presidents in the 2016 elections and other elections, using the same and or similar words. But the leftist media and Democrat talking points, make it sound like, the Pro Trump rally was about stopping the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College votes and inciting a Political coup d'état against the government of the USA. The millions of us are all Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Proud Republican President Ronald Reagan supporters, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA, Proud, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride And Honor, no matter what any Persons and any leftists of any kinds say, think or believe about us. I Rest My Case GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride And Honor.

The hate for Republican President Trump, me and his Proud Pro USA, USA, USA, Supporters has been there across the nation of the USA for over 4 Years, this why the Democrats committed massive vote fraud against him, because they Hate Him, as I have posted about in details many times. the Capitol violence by the minority of right wingers who did made it worse, but it has been there for over 4 Years. as North Sonovia the OP of this thread strongly agrees with me.

The only thing I and many of us strongly agree with the leftists on President Trump is, President Trump is not a Gentleman, and all of us know the ways President Trump is not a Gentleman.

As far as we, the millions of us are concerned Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA, and Republican President Ronald Reagan are the two Greatest American Presidents of the USA. These are the real reasons we are Trump Cultists, Reagan Cultists, Ron DeSantis Cultists, with Pride and Honor.
I want, they wan and we want a Republican Trump DeSantis ticket in 2024 and for Ron DeSantis to succeed him as President of the USA. All Proud Republicans I talk too personally and on the right wing news sites I post on from time to time, strongly agree with me, strongly disagree with you guys and leftists, what a coincidence, the millions of us?

I keep explaining our side of it which is what counts to us, what leftists say, think, post, link to and believe is irrelevant to us, we are us and we know what we are, how we are and why we are. We are as I described on this post above. It is not my fault and our fault you leftists strongly disagree with us. Viva Cuba Libre as a right wing capitalist nation, as a western style multi political party nation, with all its western faults and merits. I can even support Cuba as a Province of España La Madre Patria, as the ever faithful isle, island Province of España La Madre Patria, Viva España La Madre Patria.

Bro and all of you, how many times do I have to keep explaining it in details with Pride And Honor? GMS.

You keep saying Lady Liberty and it's confusing me. You mean Lady Victory, right?

Yes my bad, I mean Lady Victory, I really believed I was quoting Lady Liberty.

[Diarcesia]

I would keep the third amendment as is, as I would not want soldiers going into my home without consent.

^ This.

How is that not obvious? Liberals are generally more skeptical of the military, so of course they're not going to want their living room couch used as an army barracks. That should be a common sense thing that every American can agree on.

Unless they're all in with the "support the troops" thing?

[Arisyan]

When I saw the thread pop up in popular, I thought it was about leftist/liberal opinions on the Third Way. If that was the case, I would have ranted about how destructive and misleading the ideology is, but no, it was about the Third Amendment to the US constitution.

In that case, I think it's fine. It shouldn't be changed or anything like that, I wouldn't want a military officer to just barge into my house randomly and start living there.

[Vistulange]

Well this is unique. I agree that soldiers should not be stationed in other people's homes because it's just...really really weird to live with a total stranger.

I agree, but if we get into a war with Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, I'd want to help them out as much as possible. Maybe I'd say yes but only if they're fighting for our side and not the enemy's.

If the hostile forces are knocking on your door asking for your rooms, chances are that you're under occupation. And there, you're not much likely to have a right to say "no".

[NS Miami]

When I saw the thread pop up in popular, I thought it was about leftist/liberal opinions on the Third Way. If that was the case, I would have ranted about how destructive and misleading the ideology is, but no, it was about the Third Amendment to the US constitution.

In that case, I think it's fine. It shouldn't be changed or anything like that, I wouldn't want a military officer to just barge into my house randomly and start living there.

Perhaps just Perhaps it should be very detailed.

[North Sonovia]

The Third Amendment is funny for being almost entirely irrelevant.

The Third Amendment is funny for being almost entirely irrelevant.

Its hilarious to think someone would try to make a serious conversation about what either party thinks about it today

When I learned about this, my teacher kept bringing up how there were people who disagreed with parts of it, although the majority of American colonists did agree.

He told the class to start bringing up ways how it could be relevant again. Some of the answers I heard were a bit elaborate but did make at least a little bit sense. All the Libertarians (and I know for a fact they were) agreed on it, and a couple kids who I had always suspected to be a little bit authoritarian disagreed and wanted to get rid of it for their own ridiculous reasons. I wondered if it could be divided in more ways. So now you understand my situation. Even if it's almost entirely irrelevant, that doesn't mean it is entirely relevant. Besides...

I'm surprised anyone really cares that much about the Amendment, as while it should remain, it is arguably out of date, and I do not recall a recent court case based upon it. People's views on the First and Fourteenth amendments are more important.

I would say that none of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights is “out of date”. The reason why we don’t see quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent is because of the 3rd Amendment...

Na it is pretty outdated. There's been, what, a single 3A case in hundreds of years?

That's not to say we should get rid of it, but more than any other barring the 13th it's a product of its time.

the last 13th amendment case was in 2015

In the most recent Third Amendment decision handed down by a federal court, on February 2, 2015, the United States District Court for the District of Nevada held in Mitchell v. City of Henderson that the Third Amendment does not apply to intrusions by municipal police officers as, despite their appearance and equipment, they are not soldiers.[23] For his claims under the Third Amendment, Mitchell had alleged that the police used his house as a lookout point.[24]

case itself here

So even if its relevancy nowadays is arguable or not, it's not exactly the point, even though it's been a bit relevant recently (if you count a few years back as 'recent'.)

[Ethel mermania]

The Third Amendment is funny for being almost entirely irrelevant.

Its hilarious to think someone would try to make a serious conversation about what either party thinks about it today

When I learned about this, my teacher kept bringing up how there were people who disagreed with parts of it, although the majority of American colonists did agree.

He told the class to start bringing up ways how it could be relevant again. Some of the answers I heard were a bit elaborate but did make at least a little bit sense. All the Libertarians (and I know for a fact they were) agreed on it, and a couple kids who I had always suspected to be a little bit authoritarian disagreed and wanted to get rid of it for their own ridiculous reasons. I wondered if it could be divided in more ways. So now you understand my situation. Even if it's almost entirely irrelevant, that doesn't mean it is entirely relevant. Besides...

I would say that none of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights is “out of date”. The reason why we don’t see quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent is because of the 3rd Amendment...

the last 13th amendment case was in 2015

In the most recent Third Amendment decision handed down by a federal court, on February 2, 2015, the United States District Court for the District of Nevada held in Mitchell v. City of Henderson that the Third Amendment does not apply to intrusions by municipal police officers as, despite their appearance and equipment, they are not soldiers.[23] For his claims under the Third Amendment, Mitchell had alleged that the police used his house as a lookout point.[24]

case itself here

So even if its relevancy nowadays is arguable or not, it's not exactly the point, even though it's been a bit relevant recently (if you count a few years back as 'recent'.)

Someone claiming a police search is not allowed due to the third amendment, really isn't a third amendment case. The court has to say, "no it isn't ", thats just the way the law in America works

The only real world issue where a similar situation would apply is in china

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/08/asia/chi ... index.html

[NS Miami]

When I learned about this, my teacher kept bringing up how there were people who disagreed with parts of it, although the majority of American colonists did agree.

He told the class to start bringing up ways how it could be relevant again. Some of the answers I heard were a bit elaborate but did make at least a little bit sense. All the Libertarians (and I know for a fact they were) agreed on it, and a couple kids who I had always suspected to be a little bit authoritarian disagreed and wanted to get rid of it for their own ridiculous reasons. I wondered if it could be divided in more ways. So now you understand my situation. Even if it's almost entirely irrelevant, that doesn't mean it is entirely relevant. Besides...





So even if its relevancy nowadays is arguable or not, it's not exactly the point, even though it's been a bit relevant recently (if you count a few years back as 'recent'.)

Someone claiming a police search is not allowed due to the third amendment, really isn't a third amendment case. The court has to say, "no it isn't ", thats just the way the law in America works

The only real world issue where a similar situation would apply is in china

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/08/asia/chi ... index.html

Ethel, wow this link is very interesting and over related to the thread, good job.

I want this very interesting link for my posts records:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/08/asia/chi ... index.html

[North Sonovia]

The only real world issue where a similar situation would apply is in china

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/08/asia/chi ... index.html

You see, I think that you think that you've just refuted my point, on how this Amendment has at least a little bit relevancy modern-day, yet I never said that it had to be for specifically in America. It's pretty clear now that China needs an equivalent of this Amendment, in the name of the protection of the Uyghurs' rights to privacy. I seriously doubt that there are many patriotic Chinese people living in China today, ones who would choose to stay loyal to their oppressive government.

China is one sloppy mess of a government. And I can't stress that enough. It's severely an understatement.

[Tsaivao]

The only real world issue where a similar situation would apply is in china

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/08/asia/chi ... index.html

You see, I think that you think that you've just refuted my point, on how this Amendment has at least a little bit relevancy modern-day, yet I never said that it had to be for specifically in America. It's pretty clear now that China needs an equivalent of this Amendment, in the name of the protection of the Uyghurs' rights to privacy. I seriously doubt that there are many patriotic Chinese people living in China today, ones who would choose to stay loyal to their oppressive government.

China is one sloppy mess of a government. And I can't stress that enough. It's severely an understatement.

Clearly someone's never talked to anyone from mainland China before. Most Chinese citizens are extremely patriotic, since controlling every form of information output is quite potent of a propaganda machine. Even Chinese exchange students and expats are monitored to make sure their beliefs don't fall out of line.

[Sincluda]

"No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."

Okay, so, first forum post, please don't hate.

I don't want to sound like a political separatist or anything, but I'd like to hear some opinions of people on the left when it comes to one of the most absolutely irrelevant amendments of today: the Third Amendment.

For those who weren't aware before, the Amendment III is about the right to say no to a soldier who wants to stay quartered in someone's house, typically during a war, as you can see at the top.

If you'll allow me to explain why I'm asking this, Conservatives in America are mostly known for being the most pro-Constitution and pro-Amendments, while Liberals and other left-leaning groups of people in this country are more known for wanting to edit the Amendments to things they believe would be more applicable to modern-day situations. Ignore this. I don't exactly want to remove this since scrolling down would be confusing after everyone's replied to this part, but ignore this. Everyone in the forum is starting to comment on this specific part and is ignoring the main idea, here. You can debate for days on this subject, but this isn't the point. It's quite remotely related in comparison to everything else I wrote here.

I'm just curious what as to what they would think about this specific Amendment, if a situation took place in the United States where this Amendment became relevant again.

My prediction is that the majority of people would want to keep this right, right? After all, that's for you to discuss below, so kindly take the time to do so if you're not particularly busy.

To clarify exactly what I'm asking:

Alright. And even if that was or wasn't exactly the case, it wasn't the point.

I'm asking for opinions on it, as in, should it be removed in your opinions? (I'd disagree, well, because I have common sense.)

Should it be edited at all?

What if we got into a devastating war or were preparing for one? With tensions rising in the middle-east, it's surely a possibility, isn't it?

Would you optionally quarter a soldier?

If so, would an ineffective and dysfunctional Department of Defense be the only reason, or would you do that out of pure patriotism? That's mostly what I mean to ask, and I think I'll quote this quote in my first post just to make sure people reading understand me here.

There is no point in repealing. It may not be relevant, but if something develops where soldiers need quarters, they should absolutely need consent.
I could go over a different outdated amendment *cough*second*cough*, but this one is actually useful today. It went in place because of how the American colonies were forced to house British troops even if they didn't want to, so even if that logic doesn't hold up today, there are other things that hold up this amendment, and repealing would be so incredibly pointless and a violation of people's rights that... why?

[Cameroi]

it was relavent at the time it was written, because a new country getting stated doesn't have the resources to put military bases everywhere to house its personelle.
and the idea was for the then newly formed government to avoid making a pain of itself any more then it had to.

as for removing it, the process is tedius, and congress really has better things to do with the time it would take.

(as for that consirvative/libral bit, we don't any longer really have a conservative party in the u.s., nor for that matter entirely a libaral one, although i do like most of biden's ideas, which are a lot like my own.

[Sincluda]

it was relavent at the time it was written, because a new country getting stated doesn't have the resources to put military bases everywhere to house its personelle.

That is not what the amendment says. It's actually the opposite.

[Saiwania]

It might be obsolete or quaint because practically speaking, an invading army or ground force can force you into anything, unless you want to be an insurgent that would make you even more "fair game" in terms of the laws of war. Usually militaries these days almost never need to seize civilian residences, they grab public/state buildings if not create their own housing via erecting mobile hangars/tents.

[Ethel mermania]

The only real world issue where a similar situation would apply is in china

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/08/asia/chi ... index.html

You see, I think that you think that you've just refuted my point, on how this Amendment has at least a little bit relevancy modern-day, yet I never said that it had to be for specifically in America. It's pretty clear now that China needs an equivalent of this Amendment, in the name of the protection of the Uyghurs' rights to privacy. I seriously doubt that there are many patriotic Chinese people living in China today, ones who would choose to stay loyal to their oppressive government.

China is one sloppy mess of a government. And I can't stress that enough. It's severely an understatement.

And my own too, so what the heck ...