Leftist/Liberal opinions on the Third Amendment?

[Kowani]

Oh, I understand
i just don't agree

no
both sides want to change the constitution to better enact their version of a "proper" america
the left is just louder about it (despite the fact that the closest effort to changing the constitution in the modern day comes from conservatives pushing for a "balanced budget")

left

Alright. And even if that was or wasn't exactly the case, it wasn't the point. I'm asking for opinions on it, as in, should it be removed in your opinions? (I'd disagree, well, because I have common sense.) Should it be edited at all? What if we got into a devastating war or were preparing for one? With tensions rising in the middle-east, it's surely a possibility, isn't it? Would you optionally quarter a soldier? If so, would an ineffective and dysfunctional Department of Defense be the only reason, or would you do that out of pure patriotism? That's what I mean to ask, and I think I'll quote this quote in my first post just to make sure people reading understand me here.

there's no grounds for it to be removed
from a military perspective, housing soldiers in people's houses is just inefficient and blurs the line between civilian and combatant
from any other perspective, it exhibits a chilling effect, stifling criticism of the war, and is ripe for abuse

anyway, no
war in the Middle East would have no bearing on US troop allocations at home
nobody in that region has a navy that could reach to invade the US even if they were suicidal enough to try

as for voluntarily quartering soldiers
no, no i would not
whole "anti-war" thing that comes with being a leftist

[Minskiev]

I'm not sure how this ties to leftist social or economic views. It's mostly just a result of British quartering in American homes back in, like, the French and Indian War. I don't think anyone wants soldiers to barge in and treat themselves to your fridge.

[North Sonovia]

Alright. And even if that was or wasn't exactly the case, it wasn't the point. I'm asking for opinions on it, as in, should it be removed in your opinions? (I'd disagree, well, because I have common sense.) Should it be edited at all? What if we got into a devastating war or were preparing for one? With tensions rising in the middle-east, it's surely a possibility, isn't it? Would you optionally quarter a soldier? If so, would an ineffective and dysfunctional Department of Defense be the only reason, or would you do that out of pure patriotism? That's what I mean to ask, and I think I'll quote this quote in my first post just to make sure people reading understand me here.

We've been at war in the middle east for decades now, and that's never justified quartering soldiers, simply because North America isn't and probably would never be at risk of invasion in the foreseeable future. It's simply too logistically complicated for someone to try and land an army here against the largest military and police force in the world. Even if it were the case though, I would still uphold the amendment. Just because it's wartime doesn't mean laws have to disappear (even though in actuality they often unfortunately do).

Just because I mentioned the ongoing war currently taking place in the middle-east at the moment doesn't mean I implied invasion of the United States. It's possible, anything's possible these days. But the chances are low. Credibly and reasonably low, almost 0. This entire thing was hypothetical. It was a smart move for you to add on, "even if that were the case...".

[Greater Miami Shores]

The Republican Party is presently the greatest threat to the U.S. Constitution. They are very much not pro-Constitution no matter how much lip service they may pay to the Amendments they regularly disregard, violate, and ignore.

I would want the democratic right to decide if I want to house a US soldier in my house, but it would be my Patriotic duty to do so in such a circumstance. Since I think Lady Liberty's comment is clearly related to the right wing violence by the minority of right wingers who did at the Capitol building. To Lady Liberty and all of you who strongly agree with the Lady. We Proud Republicans, Republican Trump supporters, Republican Ronald Reagan supporters, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida supporters, and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA supporters, who said at the Trump rally, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and are doing so today across the nation of the USA, love America, love the USA, love Democracy, love fair and honest democratic elections, the Trump rally was to support President Trump and to support and encourage Republican Politicians to object to the electoral college votes in question. Like many Democrats objected to the electoral college votes for Trump and other Republican Presidents in the 2016 elections and other elections, using the same and or similar words. But the leftist media and Democrat talking points, make it sound like, the Pro Trump rally was about stopping the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College vote and inciting a Political coup d'état against the government of the USA. The millions of us are all Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Proud Republican President Ronald Reagan supporters, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA, Proud, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride And Honor, no matter what any Persons and any leftists of any kinds say, think or believe about us. I Rest My Case GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride And Honor.

[North Sonovia]

The Republican Party is presently the greatest threat to the U.S. Constitution. They are very much not pro-Constitution no matter how much lip service they may pay to the Amendments they regularly disregard, violate, and ignore.

I would want the democratic right to decide if I want to house a US soldier in my house, but it would be my Patriotic duty to do so in such a circumstance. Since I think Lady Liberty's comment is clearly related to the right wing violence by the minority of right wingers who did at the Capitol building. To Lady Liberty and all of you who strongly agree with the Lady. We Proud Republicans, Republican Trump supporters, Republican Ronald Reagan supporters, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida supporters, and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA, who said at the Trump rally, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and are doing so today across the nation of the USA, love America, love the USA, love Democracy, the Trump rally was to support President Trump and to support and encourage Republican Politicians to object to the electoral college votes in question. Like many Democrats objected to the electoral college votes for Trump and other Republican Presidents in the 2016 elections and other elections, using the same and or similar words. But the leftist media and Democrat talking points, make it sound like, the Pro Trump rally was about stopping the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College vote and inciting a Political coup d'état against the government of the USA. The millions of us are all Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Proud Republican President Ronald Reagan supporters, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA, Proud, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride And Honor, no matter what any Persons and any leftists of any kinds say, think or believe about us. I Rest My Case GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride And Honor.

Oh shit. Delete this. Delete the entire thing. You don't know how much the overflowingly leftist-populated political side of NationStates hates Trump Supporters, Desantis Supporters, and you name it. Just delete this to avoid the hate.

I used to support Donald Trump myself when I was 12 and 13, new to politics, and the overwhelming hate I received through uncivil internet discourse and debate encouraged me to stop supporting that man a lot more than his policies or his history of quotes.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I'm surprised anyone really cares that much about the Amendment, as while it should remain, it is arguably out of date, and I do not recall a recent court case based upon it. People's views on the First and Fourteenth amendments are more important.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I would want the democratic right to decide if I want to house a US soldier in my house, but it would be my Patriotic duty to do so in such a circumstance. Since I think Lady Liberty's comment is clearly related to the right wing violence by the minority of right wingers who did at the Capitol building. To Lady Liberty and all of you who strongly agree with the Lady. We Proud Republicans, Republican Trump supporters, Republican Ronald Reagan supporters, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida supporters, and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA, who said at the Trump rally, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and are doing so today across the nation of the USA, love America, love the USA, love Democracy, the Trump rally was to support President Trump and to support and encourage Republican Politicians to object to the electoral college votes in question. Like many Democrats objected to the electoral college votes for Trump and other Republican Presidents in the 2016 elections and other elections, using the same and or similar words. But the leftist media and Democrat talking points, make it sound like, the Pro Trump rally was about stopping the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College vote and inciting a Political coup d'état against the government of the USA. The millions of us are all Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Proud Republican President Ronald Reagan supporters, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA, Proud, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride And Honor, no matter what any Persons and any leftists of any kinds say, think or believe about us. I Rest My Case GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride And Honor.

Oh shit. Delete this. Delete the entire thing. You don't know how much the overflowingly leftist-populated political side of NationStates hate Trump Supporters, Desantis Supporters, and you name it. Just delete this to avoid the hate.

Dude, you are the OP of a great thread, Yes there are many Trump haters and Persons who hate Trump supporters on and off NS and discord across the nation of the USA. I say discord because many of us also use Discord, but I strongly support all Persons democratic rights to their different views and their rights to post them to me, to all of us directly by quoting us and indirectly, it is called Freedoms of Expression and Democracy, this respect is given, this respect is not earned, I Practice what I Preach, with Pride and Honor, it is on my new sig. GMS Greater Miami Shores, Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride and Honor.

[North Sonovia]

Oh shit. Delete this. Delete the entire thing. You don't know how much the overflowingly leftist-populated political side of NationStates hate Trump Supporters, Desantis Supporters, and you name it. Just delete this to avoid the hate.

Dude, you are the OP of a great thread, Yes there are many Trump haters and hate Trump supporters on and off NS and discord across the nation of the USA. but I strongly support all Persons democratic rights to their different views and their rights to post them to us directly by quoting us and indirectly, it is called Freedoms of Expression and Democracy, this respect is given, this respect is not earned, I Practice what I Preach, it is on my new sig. GMS Greater Miami Shores, Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride and Honor.

Oh, well. I pray for your mental health and that the swearing doesn't drive you to anything insane, such as suicidal attempts.

May we please return to the topic, now?

[Tsaivao]

I would want the democratic right to decide if I want to house a US soldier in my house, but it would be my Patriotic duty to do so in such a circumstance. Since I think Lady Liberty's comment is clearly related to the right wing violence by the minority of right wingers who did at the Capitol building. To Lady Liberty and all of you who strongly agree with the Lady. We Proud Republicans, Republican Trump supporters, Republican Ronald Reagan supporters, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida supporters, and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA, who said at the Trump rally, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and are doing so today across the nation of the USA, love America, love the USA, love Democracy, the Trump rally was to support President Trump and to support and encourage Republican Politicians to object to the electoral college votes in question. Like many Democrats objected to the electoral college votes for Trump and other Republican Presidents in the 2016 elections and other elections, using the same and or similar words. But the leftist media and Democrat talking points, make it sound like, the Pro Trump rally was about stopping the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College vote and inciting a Political coup d'état against the government of the USA. The millions of us are all Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Proud Republican President Ronald Reagan supporters, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA, Proud, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride And Honor, no matter what any Persons and any leftists of any kinds say, think or believe about us. I Rest My Case GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride And Honor.

Oh shit. Delete this. Delete the entire thing. You don't know how much the overflowingly leftist-populated political side of NationStates hate Trump Supporters, Desantis Supporters, and you name it. Just delete this to avoid the hate.

I used to support Donald Trump myself when I was 12 and 13, new to politics, and the overwhelming hate I received through uncivil internet discourse and debate encouraged me to stop a lot more than his policy or his history of quotes.

... bro calm down.

That's GMS. Trust me, everyone and their grandmother knows he's a trump supporter, he reminds everyone in almost every post he makes. People cannot bully you for your political ideology on nationstates, at least not in a personal-attack sort of way. Moderators are extremely firm on that. Calm down, leftists aren't ravenous wolves who are going to rip any trump supporter to shreds, even if that would be really based and epic.

We've been at war in the middle east for decades now, and that's never justified quartering soldiers, simply because North America isn't and probably would never be at risk of invasion in the foreseeable future. It's simply too logistically complicated for someone to try and land an army here against the largest military and police force in the world. Even if it were the case though, I would still uphold the amendment. Just because it's wartime doesn't mean laws have to disappear (even though in actuality they often unfortunately do).

Just because I mentioned the ongoing war currently taking place in the middle-east at the moment doesn't mean I implied invasion of the United States. It's possible, anything's possible these days. But the chances are low. Credibly and reasonably low, almost 0. This entire thing was hypothetical. It was a smart move for you to add on, "even if that were the case...".

I mean, yeah, I was responding to the fact that you mentioned the tensions in the middle East as "surely a possibility [for war]," you were the one who brought up the Middle East, I was just pointing out that any war anywhere would either result in some proxy war elsewhere in Asia or Europe, or total nuclear annihilation. Invading the US would be impossible in almost all circumstances, therefore there's no reason to quarter troops in American houses on American soil. With that said, you can still support the amendment because, while it's antiquated, it's still perfectly fine. I wouldn't harbor a soldier in my house no matter what, because I don't want my house to become a target.

[The Reformed American Republic]

...overwhelming hate I received through uncivil internet discourse and debate encouraged me to stop supporting that man a lot more than his policies or his history of quotes.

The opposite happened with me. I stopped supporting him when he turned out to be an incompetent conman and a fraud, among other things.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Dude, you are the OP of a great thread, Yes there are many Trump haters and hate Trump supporters on and off NS and discord across the nation of the USA. but I strongly support all Persons democratic rights to their different views and their rights to post them to us directly by quoting us and indirectly, it is called Freedoms of Expression and Democracy, this respect is given, this respect is not earned, I Practice what I Preach, it is on my new sig. GMS Greater Miami Shores, Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride and Honor.

Oh, well. I pray for your mental health and that the swearing doesn't drive you to anything insane, such as suicidal attempts.

Thank you my friend as many of you know I once tried to K me, it is on my new sig. GMS, Grater Miami Shores, Crazy Cuban Alberto. I met a Cuban Lady Democrat Biden supporter, when I was talking nice and great about Republican President Trump and Republican President Ronald Reagan, with other fellow Proud Republicans and she stated, I am going to take Poison. Proving my Points and Your Points.

[Greater Miami Shores]

...overwhelming hate I received through uncivil internet discourse and debate encouraged me to stop supporting that man a lot more than his policies or his history of quotes.

The opposite happened with me. I stopped supporting him when he turned out to be an incompetent conman and a fraud, among other things.

Yes, I am sure the Persons who don't Like Trump and Hate Trump now like you and love you, and the Persons who love Trump now hate you, except me, We can still be NS Friends and RP together. I respect your democratic rights to your new views and your rights to post them too me and all of us, while strongly disagreeing with you and them. Your change in views on any issues happens, but it rarely happens on NS. I Practice what I Preach. GMS, Greater Miami Shores, Crazy Cuban Alberto. Peace over and out and this time I mean it. I am dropping this just in case.

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The Third Amendment matters. What if there was a riot in your city and the National Guard was deployed? What if they thought it convenient to use your house? Maybe they aren't even sleeping there but just want to use it as an outpost, or your roof would be a convenient place to conduct surveillance because it has a clear view of the street? Do you want them forcing their way into your home?

[NS Miami]

The Third Amendment matters. What if there was a riot in your city and the National Guard was deployed? What if they thought it convenient to use your house? Maybe they aren't even sleeping there but just want to use it as an outpost, or your roof would be a convenient place to conduct surveillance because it has a clear view of the street? Do you want them forcing their way into your home?

Easy Answer, I will never riot, and it is my duty as a Patriotic American citizen of the USA to house them and help them out anyway they need and wish. I accidentally posted with my NS Miami Nation, GMS.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Third Amendment matters. What if there was a riot in your city and the National Guard was deployed? What if they thought it convenient to use your house? Maybe they aren't even sleeping there but just want to use it as an outpost, or your roof would be a convenient place to conduct surveillance because it has a clear view of the street? Do you want them forcing their way into your home?

Easy Answer, I will never riot, and it is my duty as a Patriotic American citizen of the USA to house them and help them out anyway they need and wish. I accidentally posted with my NS Miami Nation, GMS.

Bro you should just move back to Cuba lol, you're totally fine with an authoritarian government

[NS Miami]

Easy Answer, I will never riot, and it is my duty as a Patriotic American citizen of the USA to house them and help them out anyway they need and wish. I accidentally posted with my NS Miami Nation, GMS.

Bro you should just move back to Cuba lol, you're totally fine with an authoritarian government

Bro, which US government or governments in particular you mean?

[The Sherpa Empire]

I would keep the third amendment as is, as I would not want soldiers going into my home without consent.

^ This.

How is that not obvious? Liberals are generally more skeptical of the military, so of course they're not going to want their living room couch used as an army barracks. That should be a common sense thing that every American can agree on.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bro you should just move back to Cuba lol, you're totally fine with an authoritarian government

Bro, which US government or governments in particular you mean?

You're fine with overturning election results you don't like and you think people have a duty to house soldiers and do anything they wish. At this point pretty much your only hang up with the government in Cuba seems to be that your family is the one who got the short end of the stick back in the day, you seem like you'd be on board with everything else.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bro you should just move back to Cuba lol, you're totally fine with an authoritarian government

Bro, which US government or governments in particular you mean?

You're fine with overturning election results you don't like and you think people have a duty to house soldiers and do anything they wish. At this point pretty much your only hang up with the government in Cuba seems to be that your family is the one who got the short end of the stick back in the day, you seem like you'd be on board with everything else.

[North Washington Republic]

I'm surprised anyone really cares that much about the Amendment, as while it should remain, it is arguably out of date, and I do not recall a recent court case based upon it. People's views on the First and Fourteenth amendments are more important.

I would say that none of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights is “out of date”. The reason why we don’t see quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent is because of the 3rd Amendment...

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm surprised anyone really cares that much about the Amendment, as while it should remain, it is arguably out of date, and I do not recall a recent court case based upon it. People's views on the First and Fourteenth amendments are more important.

I would say that none of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights is “out of date”. The reason why we don’t see quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent is because of the 3rd Amendment...

Na it is pretty outdated. There's been, what, a single 3A case in hundreds of years?

That's not to say we should get rid of it, but more than any other barring the 13th it's a product of its time.

[Kowani]

I would say that none of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights is “out of date”. The reason why we don’t see quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent is because of the 3rd Amendment...

Na it is pretty outdated. There's been, what, a single 3A case in hundreds of years?

That's not to say we should get rid of it, but more than any other barring the 13th it's a product of its time.

the last 13th amendment case was in 2015

In the most recent Third Amendment decision handed down by a federal court, on February 2, 2015, the United States District Court for the District of Nevada held in Mitchell v. City of Henderson that the Third Amendment does not apply to intrusions by municipal police officers as, despite their appearance and equipment, they are not soldiers.[23] For his claims under the Third Amendment, Mitchell had alleged that the police used his house as a lookout point.[24]

case itself here

[Washington Resistance Army]

Na it is pretty outdated. There's been, what, a single 3A case in hundreds of years?

That's not to say we should get rid of it, but more than any other barring the 13th it's a product of its time.

the last 13th amendment case was in 2015

In the most recent Third Amendment decision handed down by a federal court, on February 2, 2015, the United States District Court for the District of Nevada held in Mitchell v. City of Henderson that the Third Amendment does not apply to intrusions by municipal police officers as, despite their appearance and equipment, they are not soldiers.[23] For his claims under the Third Amendment, Mitchell had alleged that the police used his house as a lookout point.[24]

case itself here

Huh, that's actually more cases than I thought. Genuinely a TIL moment.

[NS Miami]

Bro, which US government or governments in particular you mean?

You're fine with overturning election results you don't like and you think people have a duty to house soldiers and do anything they wish. At this point pretty much your only hang up with the government in Cuba seems to be that your family is the one who got the short end of the stick back in the day, you seem like you'd be on board with everything else.

Bro recently on this thread as Greater Miami Shores I posted and explained in details: I would want the democratic right to decide if I want to house a US soldier in my house, but it would be my Patriotic duty to do so in such a circumstance. Since I think Lady Liberty's comment is clearly related to the right wing violence by the minority of right wingers who did at the Capitol building. To Lady Liberty and all of you who strongly agree with the Lady. We Proud Republicans, Republican Trump supporters, Republican Ronald Reagan supporters, Republican Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida supporters, and Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA supporters who said at the Trump rally, Protest Peacefully and Patriotically as most did and are doing so today across the nation of the USA, love America, love the USA, love Democracy, the Trump rally was to support President Trump and to support and encourage Republican Politicians to object to the electoral college votes in question. Like many Democrats objected to the electoral college votes for Trump and other Republican Presidents in the 2016 elections and other elections, using the same and or similar words. But the leftist media and Democrat talking points, make it sound like, the Pro Trump rally was about stopping the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College votes and inciting a Political coup d'état against the government of the USA. The millions of us are all Proud Republican Trump Supporters, Proud Republican President Ronald Reagan supporters, the original Make America Great Again President of the USA, Proud, Pro USA, USA, USA, American Nationalist Patriot Citizens of the USA with Pride And Honor, no matter what any Persons and any leftists of any kinds say, think or believe about us. I Rest My Case GMS Crazy Cuban Alberto with Pride And Honor.

The hate for Republican President Trump, me and his Proud Pro USA, USA, USA, Supporters has been there across the nation of the USA for over 4 Years, this why the Democrats committed massive vote fraud against him, because they Hate Him, as I have posted about in details many times. the Capitol violence by the minority of right wingers who did made it worse, but it has been there for over 4 Years. as North Sonovia the OP of this thread strongly agrees with me.

The only thing I and many of us strongly agree with the leftists on President Trump is, President Trump is not a Gentleman, and all of us know the ways President Trump is not a Gentleman.

As far as we, the millions of us are concerned Republican President Donald J Trump of the USA, and Republican President Ronald Reagan are the two Greatest American Presidents of the USA. These are the real reasons we are Trump Cultists, Reagan Cultists, Ron DeSantis Cultists, with Pride and Honor.
They want a Republican Trump DeSantis ticket in 2024 and for Ron DeSantis to succeed him as President of the USA. All Proud Republicans I talk too personally and on the right wing news sites I post on from time to time, strongly agree with me, strongly disagree with you guys and leftists, what a coincidence, the millions of us?

I keep explaining our side of it which is what counts to us, what leftists say, think, post, link to and believe is irrelevant to us, we are us and we know what we are, how we are and why we are. We are as I described on this post above. It is not my fault and our fault you leftists strongly disagree with us. Viva Cuba Libre as a right wing capitalist nation, as a western style multi political party nation, with all its western faults and merits. I can even support Cuba as a Province of España La Madre Patria, as the ever faithful isle, island Province of España La Madre Patria, Viva España La Madre Patria.

Bro and all of you, how many times do I have to keep explaining it in details with Pride And Honor? GMS.

[Risottia]

The third amendment didn't go far enough. Even in wartime, quartering troops is not an obligation of the civilian.

In times of war it might be a reasonable restriction of the civilian's property rights for the common good. But if it's reasonable or not, given the situation, should be established by law and not by the arbitrary power of those who wield superior force, like armed soldiers.