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Postby Herzpunkt » Sat May 15, 2021 11:10 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Aye. Of course, I think it's pretty well established that no so called "Muslim" country is going to do anything to Israel. The only one of them that has even lifted a finger to help Palestinians was Egypt.

That's the other thing that made Greater Somalia's statements so ludicrous. At this point most of the Middle East as a whole doesn't much care about the Palestinians because they have their own problems to worry about or in some cases they are trying to do the same to the people they don't like.

Considering what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen or what Turkey is doing to the Syrian land they're illegally occupying, and Egypt who's now in a proxy war with Libya, at this point they're all doing the same stuff they previously complained Israel did.


Basically yeah its funny hearing the turks complain while they opress kurds
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat May 15, 2021 11:14 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Aye. Of course, I think it's pretty well established that no so called "Muslim" country is going to do anything to Israel. The only one of them that has even lifted a finger to help Palestinians was Egypt.

That's the other thing that made Greater Somalia's statements so ludicrous. At this point most of the Middle East as a whole doesn't much care about the Palestinians because they have their own problems to worry about or in some cases they are trying to do the same to the people they don't like.

Considering what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen or what Turkey is doing to the Syrian land they're illegally occupying, and Egypt who's now in a proxy war with Libya, at this point they're all doing the same stuff they previously complained Israel did.

I mean, to be honest, I used to read that Arab countries, especially the Gulf, treat their Palestinian refugees poorly, so yeah.
The only Arab country that have been treating the Palestinians somewhat decent is Jordan afaik (the queen herself is Palestinian, so they are much integrated I suppose), but Jordan have their own issues.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Sat May 15, 2021 11:16 pm

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The Lone Alliance wrote:That's the other thing that made Greater Somalia's statements so ludicrous. At this point most of the Middle East as a whole doesn't much care about the Palestinians because they have their own problems to worry about or in some cases they are trying to do the same to the people they don't like.

Considering what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen or what Turkey is doing to the Syrian land they're illegally occupying, and Egypt who's now in a proxy war with Libya, at this point they're all doing the same stuff they previously complained Israel did.

I mean, to be honest, I used to read that Arab countries, especially the Gulf, treat their Palestinian refugees poorly, so yeah.
The only Arab country that have been treating the Palestinians somewhat decent is Jordan afaik (the queen herself is Palestinian, so they are much integrated I suppose), but Jordan have their own issues.


The queen of palestine could push for annexation of current palestinian lands into a United Kingdom of Jordan and Palestine.

Sounds dope actually
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Postby Muzehnaya » Sat May 15, 2021 11:17 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Aye. Of course, I think it's pretty well established that no so called "Muslim" country is going to do anything to Israel. The only one of them that has even lifted a finger to help Palestinians was Egypt.

That's the other thing that made Greater Somalia's statements so ludicrous. At this point most of the Middle East as a whole doesn't much care about the Palestinians because they have their own problems to worry about or in some cases they are trying to do the same to the people they don't like.

Considering what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen or what Turkey is doing to the Syrian land they're illegally occupying, and Egypt who's now in a proxy war with Libya, at this point they're all doing the same stuff they previously complained Israel did.

Greater Somalia's statements were the ones about mutually assured destruction between Israel and the rest of the Middle East? If so then yeah, none of those countries are going to help their "Muslim brothers," let alone drop nukes for them. Mutually assured destruction only works if you have another side willing to fire their nukes. Forget dropping nukes, by the time any of these countries even advance enough to get nukes in the first place, Palestine will be gone unless something changes.
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Postby Dowaesk » Sat May 15, 2021 11:31 pm

Muzehnaya wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:That's the other thing that made Greater Somalia's statements so ludicrous. At this point most of the Middle East as a whole doesn't much care about the Palestinians because they have their own problems to worry about or in some cases they are trying to do the same to the people they don't like.

Considering what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen or what Turkey is doing to the Syrian land they're illegally occupying, and Egypt who's now in a proxy war with Libya, at this point they're all doing the same stuff they previously complained Israel did.

Greater Somalia's statements were the ones about mutually assured destruction between Israel and the rest of the Middle East? If so then yeah, none of those countries are going to help their "Muslim brothers," let alone drop nukes for them. Mutually assured destruction only works if you have another side willing to fire their nukes. Forget dropping nukes, by the time any of these countries even advance enough to get nukes in the first place, Palestine will be gone unless something changes.

Imam Al-Mahdi comes to save us.
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Postby Muzehnaya » Sat May 15, 2021 11:39 pm

Dowaesk wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Greater Somalia's statements were the ones about mutually assured destruction between Israel and the rest of the Middle East? If so then yeah, none of those countries are going to help their "Muslim brothers," let alone drop nukes for them. Mutually assured destruction only works if you have another side willing to fire their nukes. Forget dropping nukes, by the time any of these countries even advance enough to get nukes in the first place, Palestine will be gone unless something changes.

Imam Al-Mahdi comes to save us.

Maybe, but we also don't know when the Mahdi will come. We cannot just sit around and wait and hope that he will save Palestine while the whole world sits on its ass.
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Postby Dowaesk » Sun May 16, 2021 12:30 am

Herzpunkt wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:I mean, to be honest, I used to read that Arab countries, especially the Gulf, treat their Palestinian refugees poorly, so yeah.
The only Arab country that have been treating the Palestinians somewhat decent is Jordan afaik (the queen herself is Palestinian, so they are much integrated I suppose), but Jordan have their own issues.


The queen of palestine could push for annexation of current palestinian lands into a United Kingdom of Jordan and Palestine.

Sounds dope actually

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Postby Greater Somalia » Sun May 16, 2021 4:02 am

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Aye. Of course, I think it's pretty well established that no so called "Muslim" country is going to do anything to Israel. The only one of them that has even lifted a finger to help Palestinians was Egypt.

That's the other thing that made Greater Somalia's statements so ludicrous. At this point most of the Middle East as a whole doesn't much care about the Palestinians because they have their own problems to worry about or in some cases they are trying to do the same to the people they don't like.

Considering what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen or what Turkey is doing to the Syrian land they're illegally occupying, and Egypt who's now in a proxy war with Libya, at this point they're all doing the same stuff they previously complained Israel did.


My projection was 300-500 years time and not today.

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Postby Al-Muqawama » Sun May 16, 2021 4:14 am

Dowaesk wrote:
Muzehnaya wrote:Greater Somalia's statements were the ones about mutually assured destruction between Israel and the rest of the Middle East? If so then yeah, none of those countries are going to help their "Muslim brothers," let alone drop nukes for them. Mutually assured destruction only works if you have another side willing to fire their nukes. Forget dropping nukes, by the time any of these countries even advance enough to get nukes in the first place, Palestine will be gone unless something changes.

Imam Al-Mahdi comes to save us.

Waiting for al-Mahdi is not an excuse to lay down your arms, figuratively speaking, and act idle. The least thing people who live outside the Zionist besieged territory's is to boycott products.
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Postby Dowaesk » Sun May 16, 2021 4:16 am

Al-Muqawama wrote:
Dowaesk wrote:Imam Al-Mahdi comes to save us.

Waiting for al-Mahdi is not an excuse to lay down your arms, figuratively speaking, and act idle. The least thing people who live outside the Zionist besieged territory's is to boycott products.

Boycotting done. Maldives starting from 2015 has held a total boycott of Israeli goods.

Btw. Nice flag
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Postby Dowaesk » Sun May 16, 2021 4:17 am

Which original nation's puppet state are you?
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Postby Al-Muqawama » Sun May 16, 2021 4:18 am

Dowaesk wrote:Which original nation's puppet state are you?

I'm not a puppet. I came back to NS after being absent for at least two years.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 16, 2021 4:48 am

Saiwania wrote:I've read that Israel pulled off quite a brilliant disinformation operation. They made it appear as if they've invaded Gaza with ground forces and got the media to report it as fact, enough so that most of Hamas' fighters rushed into the tunnels to take defensive positions and once they were mostly concentrated in one place, Israel's air force obliterated them with a carpet bombing that has destroyed the tunnels they were in.

Its absolutely brilliant. I of course, back Israel 100% in this conflict.

Local fascist backs Israel.

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Postby Dowaesk » Sun May 16, 2021 4:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I've read that Israel pulled off quite a brilliant disinformation operation. They made it appear as if they've invaded Gaza with ground forces and got the media to report it as fact, enough so that most of Hamas' fighters rushed into the tunnels to take defensive positions and once they were mostly concentrated in one place, Israel's air force obliterated them with a carpet bombing that has destroyed the tunnels they were in.

Its absolutely brilliant. I of course, back Israel 100% in this conflict.

Local fascist backs Israel.

We all know Saiwania. :D
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 16, 2021 4:52 am

Herzpunkt wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:That's the other thing that made Greater Somalia's statements so ludicrous. At this point most of the Middle East as a whole doesn't much care about the Palestinians because they have their own problems to worry about or in some cases they are trying to do the same to the people they don't like.

Considering what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen or what Turkey is doing to the Syrian land they're illegally occupying, and Egypt who's now in a proxy war with Libya, at this point they're all doing the same stuff they previously complained Israel did.


Basically yeah its funny hearing the turks complain while they opress kurds


Turkey doesn't want you to remember what happened to the Armenians.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 16, 2021 4:53 am

Saiwania wrote:I've read that Israel pulled off quite a brilliant disinformation operation. They made it appear as if they've invaded Gaza with ground forces and got the media to report it as fact, enough so that most of Hamas' fighters rushed into the tunnels to take defensive positions and once they were mostly concentrated in one place, Israel's air force obliterated them with a carpet bombing that has destroyed the tunnels they were in.

Its absolutely brilliant. I of course, back Israel 100% in this conflict.


Sai supporting the murder of brown children by people he considers "white." I'm sure even Stevie Wonder saw that coming.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 16, 2021 4:58 am

Ifreann wrote:Local fascist backs Israel.


That's right, why should I back the side that is weaker and has no history of having ever existed as an independent state pre-1968? What Arab side technically wants is a return to the British Mandate or the Ottoman empire but neither exist anymore or ever will again. Israel won, Arab side lost. That is what matters to me.

In an alternate timeline where Israel lost but Jews couldn't be driven from Palestine either, I'd perhaps then support Arab side instead if Palestine was the richer, more powerful, and advanced side whilst Israel took on the role of the Palestinians. There are plenty of Arab countries surrounding Israel, why don't the Palestine Arabs leave for those countries instead of staying if they can't live well enough within Israel?

I know I'd probably leave under those circumstances, if not submitting to what the stronger side wants from me if its not intolerable.
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Postby Dowaesk » Sun May 16, 2021 4:58 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I've read that Israel pulled off quite a brilliant disinformation operation. They made it appear as if they've invaded Gaza with ground forces and got the media to report it as fact, enough so that most of Hamas' fighters rushed into the tunnels to take defensive positions and once they were mostly concentrated in one place, Israel's air force obliterated them with a carpet bombing that has destroyed the tunnels they were in.

Its absolutely brilliant. I of course, back Israel 100% in this conflict.


Sai supporting the murder of brown children by people he considers "white." I'm sure even Stevie Wonder saw that coming.

Why Stevie Wonder? What'd he do?
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Dowaesk wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Sai supporting the murder of brown children by people he considers "white." I'm sure even Stevie Wonder saw that coming.

Why Stevie Wonder? What'd he do?


You don't get the joke?
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Postby Dowaesk » Sun May 16, 2021 5:01 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Dowaesk wrote:Why Stevie Wonder? What'd he do?


You don't get the joke?

Yep. Just know that he got 5 wives and 9 kids

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Local fascist backs Israel.


That's right, why should I back the side that is weaker and has no history of having ever existed as an independent state pre-1968? What Arab side technically wants is a return to the British Mandate or the Ottoman empire but neither exist anymore or ever will again. Israel won, Arab side lost. That is what matters to me.

In an alternate timeline where Israel lost but Jews couldn't be driven from Palestine either, I'd perhaps then support Arab side instead if Palestine was the richer, more powerful, and advanced side whilst Israel took on the role of the Palestinians. There are plenty of Arab countries surrounding Israel, why don't the Palestine Arabs leave for those countries instead of staying if they can't live well enough within Israel?

So you support whoever is more stronger?

(And more white)

Edit: they cant leave. Israel doesnt let them
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sun May 16, 2021 5:02 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Local fascist backs Israel.


That's right, why should I back the side that is weaker and has no history of having ever existed as an independent state pre-1968? What Arab side technically wants is a return to the British Mandate or the Ottoman empire but neither exist anymore or ever will again. Israel won, Arab side lost. That is what matters to me.

In an alternate timeline where Israel lost but Jews couldn't be driven from Palestine either, I'd perhaps then support Arab side instead if Palestine was the richer, more powerful, and advanced side whilst Israel took on the role of the Palestinians. There are plenty of Arab countries surrounding Israel, why don't the Palestine Arabs leave for those countries instead of staying if they can't live well enough within Israel?


Because that's as fucking stupid as taking Puerto Rico and sending the Puerto Ricans to Mexico. I know this may be news to you and as a person who traveled to the middle east I probably know this more than many, but not all Arabs share the same exact culture. Arab is a broad cultural umbrella and covers numerous diverse peoples. The Palestinians are not Saudis, they are Palestinians. And supporting "the strong side" just because "they're strong" is.pretty immoral. I imagine taking you on a trip to the holocaust museum would not be a good idea since you think "hey whoever won was right. I mean if you're too weak to defend yourself you may as well die." I'm glad everyone doesn't see things the way you do Sai or we would be a world full of even more barbarism and chaos than we already got. Israel needs to back off.
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Postby Kubra » Sun May 16, 2021 5:05 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Local fascist backs Israel.


That's right, why should I back the side that is weaker and has no history of having ever existed as an independent state pre-1968? What Arab side technically wants is a return to the British Mandate or the Ottoman empire but neither exist anymore or ever will again. Israel won, Arab side lost. That is what matters to me.

In an alternate timeline where Israel lost but Jews couldn't be driven from Palestine either, I'd perhaps then support Arab side instead if Palestine was the richer, more powerful, and advanced side whilst Israel took on the role of the Palestinians. There are plenty of Arab countries surrounding Israel, why don't the Palestine Arabs leave for those countries instead of staying if they can't live well enough within Israel?

I know I'd probably leave under those circumstances, if not submitting to what the stronger side wants from me if its not intolerable.
Mostly because palestinians outside of palestine live shittier lives, except for within Gaza of course.
The dialogue of "they're all arabs lol" is very much instance of "arr rook same".
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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 16, 2021 5:10 am

It doesn't make any logical sense for me to side with Palestine, regardless of how "oppressed" they supposedly are. Even if I wanted to back them, why should I trade their experiment of an independent state for an actual sovereign nation that has a track record of already being broadly successful across most metrics? If Israel turned their portion of the desert into an oasis, I can't argue with the results.

I'm of course going to back not dismantling that, especially not if the Palestinians are so unproven and unreliable. That locale as I recall, celebrated the 9/11 attacks. I'm intentionally choosing to back what is by all accounts- a fully developed nation over one that isn't legitimate or causes regional instability more often than not.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 16, 2021 5:15 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Local fascist backs Israel.


That's right, why should I back the side that is weaker and has no history of having ever existed as an independent state pre-1968? What Arab side technically wants is a return to the British Mandate or the Ottoman empire but neither exist anymore or ever will again. Israel won, Arab side lost. That is what matters to me.

In an alternate timeline where Israel lost but Jews couldn't be driven from Palestine either, I'd perhaps then support Arab side instead if Palestine was the richer, more powerful, and advanced side whilst Israel took on the role of the Palestinians. There are plenty of Arab countries surrounding Israel, why don't the Palestine Arabs leave for those countries instead of staying if they can't live well enough within Israel?

I know I'd probably leave under those circumstances, if not submitting to what the stronger side wants from me if its not intolerable.

What I'm getting at is that you are condemning Israel by your support of them. Having you in their corner makes them look bad. Most Israel apologists try to pretend that Israel is just defending itself, but along you come openly eager for Israel to commit genocide.

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