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Postby Immortan Khan » Thu May 13, 2021 10:20 am

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Greater Cesnica wrote:>7 Israelis dead
>93 Palestinians dead

Totally not disproportionate. The ICC has already initiated an investigation into war crimes committed during this episode.

Perhaps Israel shouldn't be forcing people out of their homes in Sheikh Jarrah, or anywhere else in the West Bank and the Golan Heights.


Okay, let's try again. I condemned what Israel is doing in terms of a disproportionate response, but also recognized that in any case, Israel should be able to defend itself. For instance, Hamas did attack Israel first, and Israel had the right to respond. What wasn't ethically correct was Netanyahu's decision to seriously escalate the nature of the conflict and to ignore pleas to avoid areas with high numbers of civilians.

I find that if someone such as myself even gives Israel a centimeter of leeway, people are going to jump down your throat without considering anything else you said.

Hamas may have attacked first but it was justified given the attempts to ethnic cleanse Sheikh Jarrah and the brutal assault on Al-Aqsa. Remember your country fired the first shots in 1775 over taxes.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 13, 2021 10:26 am

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Greater Cosmicium wrote:Yup, it's pretty much confirmed, Israel really is preparing for an invasion. Contrast: during the rise of tensions on the Ukraine-Russia border, the two countries only moved active soldiers and equipment to the border.
You don't mobilize reservists for "peacekeeping" reasons.

Wonder how many people are going to be dead by the end of this one.

Real question is how much will Israel prioritize murdering civilians.
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Postby Kergstan » Thu May 13, 2021 10:32 am

Arisyan wrote:Woohoo! More wars and instability in the Middle East lets go.

But seriously. Afghanistan and now this? I wonder who else will go to war this year. My money's on Ethiopia.


Ethiopia is already at war in its Tigray region.

Anyways i've heard people parroting that Hamas attacked first, this is not true they've been provocated multiple times in recent days.
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Postby Absentius » Thu May 13, 2021 10:35 am

This incident couldn't come at a better time for Benjamin Netanyahu, since he failed to form his government, he is going to make use of the violence to model himself as the leader Israel needs right now, however, Hamas had no right to fire rockets at Israeli civilian targets, they don't expect reprisals for their actions, yet they hide in civilian areas like the cowards they are and want to point the finger at the IDF for killing civilians when Hamas explicitly targets Israeli civilians, they know very well that they can never defeat the Israeli military, so they resort to depraved actions like they have to try and pin the blame on Israel when it retaliates.
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Postby Dowaesk » Thu May 13, 2021 11:51 am

The Central Pacific Free State wrote:Israel will crush the rest of the middle east in open war but I hope this is enough for the west to finally break off all support to those warmongers

In a full on full war. I'd say no.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 11:55 am

Kergstan wrote:
Arisyan wrote:Woohoo! More wars and instability in the Middle East lets go.

But seriously. Afghanistan and now this? I wonder who else will go to war this year. My money's on Ethiopia.


Ethiopia is already at war in its Tigray region.

Anyways i've heard people parroting that Hamas attacked first, this is not true they've been provocated multiple times in recent days.
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which is who exactly?

Hamas is Iranian backed and their the ones doing the fighting in Palestine.
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Postby Greater Cosmicium » Thu May 13, 2021 12:00 pm

Something tells me this "complete quiet" being mentioned by the Israeli defense minister is nothing resembling good in any form. If Israel really goes forward with invasion... expect a mass grave to be made out of the Gaza Strip, and not quickly either - given their history the Israelis will prolong the suffering of the Gaza Strip's people for as long as they can.
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Postby Gongsi » Thu May 13, 2021 12:12 pm

"Complete quiet" is just an underhanded way of saying never. If so much as one disgruntled Palestinian does something, anything, Israel can claim that as "breaking the quiet" and will continue bombing. Absolutely disgusting.

As much as both sides have done terrible things, Israel currently has the upper hand and is thus more capable of committing atrocities. If Palestine was dominating Israel, I'm sure the roles would be reversed. And, unfortunately, I don't see this ending without genocide.

(Also, who's land it "rightfully" is does not matter. There are now innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians living in the area. Debating who has the better claim is something that is only helpful if done 80+ years ago. Any further arguing now is completely pointless.)
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 12:17 pm

Gongsi wrote:"Complete quiet" is just an underhanded way of saying never. If so much as one disgruntled Palestinian does something, anything, Israel can claim that as "breaking the quiet" and will continue bombing. Absolutely disgusting.

As much as both sides have done terrible things, Israel currently has the upper hand and is thus more capable of committing atrocities. If Palestine was dominating Israel, I'm sure the roles would be reversed. And, unfortunately, I don't see this ending without genocide.

(Also, who's land it "rightfully" is does not matter. There are now innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians living in the area. Debating who has the better claim is something that is only helpful if done 80+ years ago. Any further arguing now is completely pointless.)


absolutley, this fact seems to elude people, like Hamas wouldn't be butchering Jews in the streets afterwards.

I used to be pro-Israel and ill be honest after the past few days, I have lost my patience with them both.
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Postby Dowaesk » Thu May 13, 2021 1:50 pm

I really think Turkey is going to go to war with Israel. Since Israeli war with Palestine has almost become inevitable. Turkey declaring war on Israel has also become likely.

Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Qatar also seem to be joining behind Turkey. I kind of wish my own country, Maldives would also do something. Maybe not get involved in war, but maybe try playing a key role in Palestinian Humanitarian aid, much like what we did in 2014 and 2015.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 1:52 pm

Dowaesk wrote:I really think Turkey is going to go to war with Israel. Since Israeli war with Palestine has almost become inevitable. Turkey declaring war on Israel has also become likely.

Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Qatar also seem to be joining behind Turkey. I kind of wish my own country, Maldives would also do something. Maybe not get involved in war, but maybe try playing a key role in Palestinian Humanitarian aid, much like what we did in 2014 and 2015.


Turkey is part of NATO, if they declared war they would basically be trying to pull the world into war with Israel, that's not gonna happen.

and if they get caught doing what they did with drones like they did in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict they will be double fucked.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu May 13, 2021 2:12 pm

https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-f ... -coast-idf

Looks like Hezbollah decided to join in the conflict. I wonder, is the Israeli army made up of quantum particles? Cause now they're gonna have to be in multiple places at once (Gaza, Israel proper and maybe Lebanon).

Maybe they shouldn't have run up in that mosque.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 2:13 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-fired-from-lebanon-off-israel-coast-idf

Looks like Hezbollah decided to join in the conflict. I wonder, is the Israeli army made up of quantum particles? Cause now they're gonna have to be in multiple places at once (Gaza, Israel proper and maybe Lebanon).

Maybe they shouldn't have run up in that mosque.


Great, Lebanon wasn't even involved these past couple of days and now fucking Hezbollah is pushing innocent people into this.
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Postby Dowaesk » Thu May 13, 2021 2:22 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Dowaesk wrote:I really think Turkey is going to go to war with Israel. Since Israeli war with Palestine has almost become inevitable. Turkey declaring war on Israel has also become likely.

Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Qatar also seem to be joining behind Turkey. I kind of wish my own country, Maldives would also do something. Maybe not get involved in war, but maybe try playing a key role in Palestinian Humanitarian aid, much like what we did in 2014 and 2015.


Turkey is part of NATO, if they declared war they would basically be trying to pull the world into war with Israel, that's not gonna happen.

and if they get caught doing what they did with drones like they did in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict they will be double fucked.

Idk. Turkey seems pretty in on this already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.trtworld.com/turkey/erdogan-sending-international-force-to-protect-palestinians-viable-idea-46641/amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/12/israel-must-be-taught-a-lesson-erdogan-tells-putin
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2299682/pakistan-turkey-join-hands-to-stop-israeli-atrocities-on-palestinians%3famp=1
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.geo.tv/amp/349949-pray-for-us-hamas-officials-urges-pakistan-to-raise-its-voice-against-israel
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 2:24 pm

Dowaesk wrote:
Herzpunkt wrote:
Turkey is part of NATO, if they declared war they would basically be trying to pull the world into war with Israel, that's not gonna happen.

and if they get caught doing what they did with drones like they did in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict they will be double fucked.

Idk. Turkey seems pretty in on this already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.trtworld.com/turkey/erdogan-sending-international-force-to-protect-palestinians-viable-idea-46641/amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/12/israel-must-be-taught-a-lesson-erdogan-tells-putin
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tribune.com.pk/story/2299682/pakistan-turkey-join-hands-to-stop-israeli-atrocities-on-palestinians%3famp=1
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.geo.tv/amp/349949-pray-for-us-hamas-officials-urges-pakistan-to-raise-its-voice-against-israel


I'm saying if they start bombing Israel it's going to be bad for Turkey, really really bad because they are a nato member and also pushing WW3 might not be a good thing.
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Postby Il Borgia Vaticano » Thu May 13, 2021 2:25 pm

Guess we get to watch yet another genocide unfold in our time. The Rohingya, Tigray, The Uighurs, and now The Palestinians. For shame.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 13, 2021 2:26 pm

Dowaesk wrote:I really think Turkey is going to go to war with Israel. Since Israeli war with Palestine has almost become inevitable. Turkey declaring war on Israel has also become likely.

Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Qatar also seem to be joining behind Turkey. I kind of wish my own country, Maldives would also do something. Maybe not get involved in war, but maybe try playing a key role in Palestinian Humanitarian aid, much like what we did in 2014 and 2015.

Turkey is part of NATO. Siding with Russia and against the US in an all out war is about the least likely course of action they could take. Also, Russia, Malaysia, and Pakistan have nothing to gain from declaring war on Israel over several thousand murdered Palestinians. Quatar is basically a US military base as far as geopolitics is concerned, so them going against Israel (another US military base) is pretty fantastical.
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Postby Dowaesk » Thu May 13, 2021 2:32 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Dowaesk wrote:I really think Turkey is going to go to war with Israel. Since Israeli war with Palestine has almost become inevitable. Turkey declaring war on Israel has also become likely.

Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Qatar also seem to be joining behind Turkey. I kind of wish my own country, Maldives would also do something. Maybe not get involved in war, but maybe try playing a key role in Palestinian Humanitarian aid, much like what we did in 2014 and 2015.

Turkey is part of NATO. Siding with Russia and against the US in an all out war is about the least likely course of action they could take.

Not on all out war. Erdogan has already talked about deploying troops in Palestine. Turkey is bot going to fight alongside NATO. But rather as a coalition of their own. So far. Turkey, Russia and Pakistan seem very likely to join forces to deploy troops in Palestine. Malaysia and Qatar seem reluctant. I, personally, really think Turkey is going to intervene if a war starts between Palestine and Israel.
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Postby Dowaesk » Thu May 13, 2021 2:33 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Dowaesk wrote:I really think Turkey is going to go to war with Israel. Since Israeli war with Palestine has almost become inevitable. Turkey declaring war on Israel has also become likely.

Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Qatar also seem to be joining behind Turkey. I kind of wish my own country, Maldives would also do something. Maybe not get involved in war, but maybe try playing a key role in Palestinian Humanitarian aid, much like what we did in 2014 and 2015.

Turkey is part of NATO. Siding with Russia and against the US in an all out war is about the least likely course of action they could take. Also, Russia, Malaysia, and Pakistan have nothing to gain from declaring war on Israel over several thousand murdered Palestinians. Quatar is basically a US military base as far as geopolitics is concerned, so them going against Israel (another US military base) is pretty fantastical.

Im guessing you dont know much about Pakistan. If Turkey is there to lead. Pakistan is very likely to join in on the action. As for Malaysia. They might give some aid. But I wouldnt say militarily.
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Postby Punished UMN » Thu May 13, 2021 2:37 pm

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Dowaesk wrote:I really think Turkey is going to go to war with Israel. Since Israeli war with Palestine has almost become inevitable. Turkey declaring war on Israel has also become likely.

Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan and Qatar also seem to be joining behind Turkey. I kind of wish my own country, Maldives would also do something. Maybe not get involved in war, but maybe try playing a key role in Palestinian Humanitarian aid, much like what we did in 2014 and 2015.


Turkey is part of NATO, if they declared war they would basically be trying to pull the world into war with Israel, that's not gonna happen.

and if they get caught doing what they did with drones like they did in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict they will be double fucked.

That's not how NATO works.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu May 13, 2021 2:38 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-fired-from-lebanon-off-israel-coast-idf

Looks like Hezbollah decided to join in the conflict. I wonder, is the Israeli army made up of quantum particles? Cause now they're gonna have to be in multiple places at once (Gaza, Israel proper and maybe Lebanon).

Maybe they shouldn't have run up in that mosque.


Great, Lebanon wasn't even involved these past couple of days and now fucking Hezbollah is pushing innocent people into this.


Kowani told me it wasn't Hez. We don't know who it is.

Sorry yall. False alarm.
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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 2:38 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
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Great, Lebanon wasn't even involved these past couple of days and now fucking Hezbollah is pushing innocent people into this.


Kowani told me it wasn't Hez. We don't know who it is.

Sorry yall. False alarm.



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Postby Herzpunkt » Thu May 13, 2021 2:39 pm

Dowaesk wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Turkey is part of NATO. Siding with Russia and against the US in an all out war is about the least likely course of action they could take. Also, Russia, Malaysia, and Pakistan have nothing to gain from declaring war on Israel over several thousand murdered Palestinians. Quatar is basically a US military base as far as geopolitics is concerned, so them going against Israel (another US military base) is pretty fantastical.

Im guessing you dont know much about Pakistan. If Turkey is there to lead. Pakistan is very likely to join in on the action. As for Malaysia. They might give some aid. But I wouldnt say militarily.


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Postby Dowaesk » Thu May 13, 2021 2:43 pm

Herzpunkt wrote:
Dowaesk wrote:Im guessing you dont know much about Pakistan. If Turkey is there to lead. Pakistan is very likely to join in on the action. As for Malaysia. They might give some aid. But I wouldnt say militarily.


so ww3

Hell naw. Its just a war between Israel and Turkey and friends.
I wonder whether the US will join to fight alongside Israel. Although I think its very unlikely.
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Postby Lady Victory » Thu May 13, 2021 2:44 pm

Punished UMN wrote:Hopefully the fighters of al-Qassam will make them pay it.


Yeah, how about we not root for terrorists be they Palestinian or Israeli.
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