256 Gazans killed by unlawful Israeli bombardment

[Australian rePublic]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

[Washington Resistance Army]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

Probably the exact same amount.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

On a slightly different note; I wonder how many civilians Hamas would kill if Israel didn't shield humans?

TBH I am against zionism. I consider the influx of people into the formation of Israel based on religious grrounds and the expulsion of locals to be as horrendous as the last half dozen times it was done regardless if it were egyptians, Roman's, Babylonians, Muslims, crusaders or anyone. No excuses. That said it seems stupid to vilify the Victor for civilian casualties when they are probably not as high as they would be in the past. I mean 2014 resulted in thousands of deaths. Similar modern historic operation (obviously not exactly the same) in high density urban environments such as the siege of falujah always suffer high civilian casualties even with ample time to evacuate. Hamas setting up rocket sites near schools/hospitals simply makes these casualty figures even more intriguing.

I still consider the best option to be the end to immigration to the region. Followed by ... I don't know. Some answer that we can all hope for which I cannot come up with.

[Odreria]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

I wonder how many brain cells you would have if you weren’t retarded

[Heloin]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

On a slightly different note; I wonder how many civilians Hamas would kill if Israel didn't shield humans?

TBH I am against zionism. I consider the influx of people into the formation of Israel based on religious grrounds and the expulsion of locals to be as horrendous as the last half dozen times it was done regardless if it were egyptians, Roman's, Babylonians, Muslims, crusaders or anyone. No excuses. That said it seems stupid to vilify the Victor for civilian casualties when they are probably not as high as they would be in the past. I mean 2014 resulted in thousands of deaths. Similar modern historic operation (obviously not exactly the same) in high density urban environments such as the siege of falujah always suffer high civilian casualties even with ample time to evacuate. Hamas setting up rocket sites near schools/hospitals simply makes these casualty figures even more intriguing.

We can already know that. 2010 was the last year without any protection from the Iron Dome and for 152 rockets and 217 morters we have 2 killed 5 injured. In 2012 the Iron Dome was not really in full effect yet and for 2,256 Rockets and 17 morters we have 6 dead. Assuming Israel didn't have an Iron dome and Hamas lucked into being as effective in 2010 with the name number of missiles launched in 2012 you'd get 12 Israeli dead. Knowing that Hamas fired about 3,400 missiles at Israel in this recent tension you'd get 18 about Israeli civilians dead, as opposed to the 11 in reality.

I still consider the best option to be the end to immigration to the region. Followed by ... I don't know. Some answer that we can all hope for which I cannot come up with.

The end to Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the end to immigration would at the very least help Palestinians no longer feel like they're being forced out of their own homes.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

Human shield is code word for "we wanted to kill Arabs today."

[Greater Miami Shores]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

Human shield is code word for "we wanted to kill Arabs today."

Dude, I think Israel is not using Human shields, I think the Palestinian Arabs are using Human shields.

[Muzehnaya]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

I wonder when people will stop repeating this after it has been disproved by numerous human rights organizations.

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UND ... penElement (UN)
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files ... 309web.pdf (HRW)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140819191 ... 014en.html (Amnesty International)

[Greater Miami Shores]

I wonder how many civilians Israel would kill if Hamas didn't use human shields

I wonder when people will stop repeating this after it has been disproved by numerous human rights organizations.

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UND ... penElement (UN)
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files ... 309web.pdf (HRW)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140819191 ... 014en.html (Amnesty International)

Different Persons have different views on this issue and all issues, no matter what any Fact Checkers and organizations say.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Human shield is code word for "we wanted to kill Arabs today."

Dude, I think Israel is not using Human shields, I think the Palestinian Arabs are using Human shields.

I don't think you understand what Rojava said. He didn't say anything that implies Israel is using human shields.
On the other hand, I think he means that by Australian rePublic saying how many civilians would die were they are not used as human shields, it implies that murdered human shields seem....acceptable, that is killing Palestinians is acceptable.

Israel is not really making a good name of itself, you know, by admitting that destroying residential towers as a means to release the IDF's frustation.

[Muzehnaya]

I wonder when people will stop repeating this after it has been disproved by numerous human rights organizations.

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UND ... penElement (UN)
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files ... 309web.pdf (HRW)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140819191 ... 014en.html (Amnesty International)

Different Persons have different views on this issue and all issues, no matter what any Fact Checkers and organizations say.

No, there is no "different view" here. Either Hamas is using human shields or they are not. This has nothing to do with a matter of opinion.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Dude, I think Israel is not using Human shields, I think the Palestinian Arabs are using Human shields.

I don't think you understand what Rojava said. He didn't say anything that implies Israel is using human shields.
On the other hand, I think he means that by Australian rePublic saying how many civilians would die were they are not used as human shields, it implies that murdered human shields seem....acceptable, that is killing Palestinians is acceptable.

Israel is not really making a good name of itself, you know, by admitting that destroying residential towers as a means to release the IDF's frustation.

ok, sorry I took Rojava's Post literally, thank you for explaining it too me.

[Diarcesia]

Dude, I think Israel is not using Human shields, I think the Palestinian Arabs are using Human shields.

I don't think you understand what Rojava said. He didn't say anything that implies Israel is using human shields.
On the other hand, I think he means that by Australian rePublic saying how many civilians would die were they are not used as human shields, it implies that murdered human shields seem....acceptable, that is killing Palestinians is acceptable.

Israel is not really making a good name of itself, you know, by admitting that destroying residential towers as a means to release the IDF's frustation.

While I'm skeptical of the veracity of such claims (any soldier or who claims to be a soldier can say that in Twitter), it would make sense that atrocities happen because they want to release their frustrations.

[Albrenia]

Would it be controversial to say that the death of human shields is both the fault of the ones who take them (or in this case, just take up position near them) as well as those who decide killing the bad guy is worth killing some kids as well?

[Jutlop]

Would it be controversial to say that the death of human shields is both the fault of the ones who take them (or in this case, just take up position near them) as well as those who decide killing the bad guy is worth killing some kids as well?

someone is going to find a way to make it controversial.

[SD_Film Artists]

Would it be controversial to say that the death of human shields is both the fault of the ones who take them (or in this case, just take up position near them) as well as those who decide killing the bad guy is worth killing some kids as well?

There's the 'double war crime' of using human shields and then firing at civilians from said human shield.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Human shield is code word for "we wanted to kill Arabs today."

Dude, I think Israel is not using Human shields, I think the Palestinian Arabs are using Human shields.

No, my point is human shields is a lie made up to justify why Israel bombed a hospital or UN center. And as their own men testified jusr recently, they were bombing buildings to let off steam.

[Insaanistan]

Dude, I think Israel is not using Human shields, I think the Palestinian Arabs are using Human shields.

No, my point is human shields is a lie made up to justify why Israel bombed a hospital or UN center. And as their own men testified jusr recently, they were bombing buildings to let off steam.

But the newborns in the hospital were probably gonna grow up to be Hamas leaders!

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Israel talks about Hamas' human shields but you kind of have to wonder what those settlements are about. Think about it, how does Israel keep getting away with annexing more of the West Bank? If they occupied it with soldiers, those are legitimate targets, but build settlements and fill them with families and babies, then Palestine either has to accept the annexation or attack the settlements which makes them "terrorists".

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Israel talks about Hamas' human shields but you kind of have to wonder what those settlements are about. Think about it, how does Israel keep getting away with annexing more of the West Bank? If they occupied it with soldiers, those are legitimate targets, but build settlements and fill them with families and babies, then Palestine either has to accept the annexation or attack the settlements which makes them "terrorists".

So Israel is just using Human shields with extra steps.

[Kowani]

Ministry of Education in Gaza announces premature ending of the school year due to damage to schools, road, electricity/internet lines, & the displacement of countless Gazans from their homes

[Ifreann]

Ministry of Education in Gaza announces premature ending of the school year due to damage to schools, road, electricity/internet lines, & the displacement of countless Gazans from their homes

Those schools were all Hamas rocket sites.

[Greater Cesnica]

Israel talks about Hamas' human shields but you kind of have to wonder what those settlements are about. Think about it, how does Israel keep getting away with annexing more of the West Bank? If they occupied it with soldiers, those are legitimate targets, but build settlements and fill them with families and babies, then Palestine either has to accept the annexation or attack the settlements which makes them "terrorists".

So Israel is just using Human shields with extra steps.

Also, keep in mind that the headquarters of the IDF is located within a civilian area. Is Israel using human shields to defend its military headquarters?

[Dowaesk]

Ministry of Education in Gaza announces premature ending of the school year due to damage to schools, road, electricity/internet lines, & the displacement of countless Gazans from their homes

Those schools were all Hamas rocket sites.

Yes. And many of the children were trained high ranking Hamas soldiers

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

We can already know that. 2010 was the last year without any protection from the Iron Dome and for 152 rockets and 217 morters we have 2 killed 5 injured. In 2012 the Iron Dome was not really in full effect yet and for 2,256 Rockets and 17 morters we have 6 dead. Assuming Israel didn't have an Iron dome and Hamas lucked into being as effective in 2010 with the name number of missiles launched in 2012 you'd get 12 Israeli dead. Knowing that Hamas fired about 3,400 missiles at Israel in this recent tension you'd get 18 about Israeli civilians dead, as opposed to the 11 in reality.

From what I have read the iron dome was 90% effective in 2012. This extrapolated data also assumes a lack of increased accuracy from hamas/increased population in israel/settlement growth closer to gaza and is quite speculative.