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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat May 22, 2021 6:56 am

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Ifreann wrote:So is your problem that Jews are being recognised as a discriminated against minority, or that other minority groups are not likewise being recognised? Because maybe you've noticed from the other replies to your posts, it sounds to people like you're hinting at some kind of conspiracy of Jews getting undeserved special status from the government.


I'm saying Trump is a hypocrite for recognizing Jews as a protected class simply to spite the BDS movement while some of his own fans are literal nazis looking to kill Jews, and he ignores all other racism against groups like black folks, Arabs and Latinos. Nobody should be protected from seeing people criticizing a foreign country and everyone should be protected from violence and terror, and Trump did the opposite of that.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 22, 2021 7:10 am

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Ifreann wrote:So is your problem that Jews are being recognised as a discriminated against minority, or that other minority groups are not likewise being recognised? Because maybe you've noticed from the other replies to your posts, it sounds to people like you're hinting at some kind of conspiracy of Jews getting undeserved special status from the government.


I'm saying Trump is a hypocrite for recognizing Jews as a protected class simply to spite the BDS movement while some of his own fans are literal nazis looking to kill Jews, and he ignores all other racism against groups like black folks, Arabs and Latinos. Nobody should be protected from seeing people criticizing a foreign country and everyone should be protected from violence and terror, and Trump did the opposite of that.

It's best to actually say that, because if you make that point by phrasing it as a question then you'll get people saying shit like this
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to hint vaguely at a "Jews secretly run the government" conspiracy.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat May 22, 2021 7:21 am

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I'm saying Trump is a hypocrite for recognizing Jews as a protected class simply to spite the BDS movement while some of his own fans are literal nazis looking to kill Jews, and he ignores all other racism against groups like black folks, Arabs and Latinos. Nobody should be protected from seeing people criticizing a foreign country and everyone should be protected from violence and terror, and Trump did the opposite of that.

It's best to actually say that, because if you make that point by phrasing it as a question then you'll get people saying shit like this
Nakena wrote:Those are very dangerous questions. And if you dig deeper you will find answers you may find unconfortable.

to hint vaguely at a "Jews secretly run the government" conspiracy.

I think Persons would still say their same views no matter how he Phrases it, I know I do. This Man Always Says What He Means it is on my Sig with other great sayings.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat May 22, 2021 7:47 am

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Ifreann wrote:Wasn't so long ago that America had hundreds of Nazis marching around chanting "Jews will not replace us!", but sure, now that Israel is bombing Palestine I'm sure that all those people have repented and reformed.


That's not my point. The trump administration didn't define black people as a protected class and I'm fairly certain hate crimes affect them the most out of any group, and they also didn't define Muslims, hispanics, gay people or the transgender folks as protected either. Why just Jews? Like I don't think if you look at hate crime data jews are like 10000 hate crime victims and everyone else is like 2500. So why this difference? Because the Nazis marching in Charlottesville weren't just against Jews iffy. They were against all the other groups I listed as well.


I guess we can just ignore the Pittsburg Synagogue shooting, then?
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 22, 2021 8:00 am

Odd how Hamas is claiming victory. Did Israel try to invade Gaza but lost some Merkava tanks and scores of infantry in a failed attempt? Nope, Israel just decided to stop bombing them. They may have arguably had a PR victory by sucking so badly that they get more underdog points.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 22, 2021 8:04 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:Odd how Hamas is claiming victory. Did Israel try to invade Gaza but lost some Merkava tanks and scores of infantry in a failed attempt? Nope, Israel just decided to stop bombing them. They may have arguably had a PR victory by sucking so badly that they get more underdog points.

Getting their belligerent and vastly more powerful neighbour to stop blowing up bookstores and hospitals is a victory.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 22, 2021 8:08 am

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SD_Film Artists wrote:Odd how Hamas is claiming victory. Did Israel try to invade Gaza but lost some Merkava tanks and scores of infantry in a failed attempt? Nope, Israel just decided to stop bombing them. They may have arguably had a PR victory by sucking so badly that they get more underdog points.

Getting their belligerent and vastly more powerful neighbour to stop blowing up bookstores and hospitals is a victory.


What did they do to stop Israel from destorying Hamas' arsenal?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 22, 2021 8:11 am

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Ifreann wrote:Getting their belligerent and vastly more powerful neighbour to stop blowing up bookstores and hospitals is a victory.


What did they do to stop Israel from destorying Hamas' arsenal?

Not have an arsenal in the offices of the Associated Press.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 22, 2021 8:33 am

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What did they do to stop Israel from destorying Hamas' arsenal?

Not have an arsenal in the offices of the Associated Press.


You know what I mean. Actually stopping them.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 22, 2021 10:21 am

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Ifreann wrote:Not have an arsenal in the offices of the Associated Press.


You know what I mean. Actually stopping them.

Hiding their arsenals, obviously. Or are you asking what Hamas did to stop Israel's attacks but phrasing it as if Israel were exclusively targetting caches of weapons?

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Postby Kowani » Sat May 22, 2021 10:21 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:Odd how Hamas is claiming victory. Did Israel try to invade Gaza but lost some Merkava tanks and scores of infantry in a failed attempt? Nope, Israel just decided to stop bombing them. They may have arguably had a PR victory by sucking so badly that they get more underdog points.

More specifically speaking, there’s no way to frame this as a military victory…but in terms of PR, it’s huge
Israel lost control of the public narrative.
Oh, it was still biased towards them (looking at you, New York Times passive voice)
But not nearly to the degree as they wanted. You had several high-profile media hosts even go out and attack Israel as an apartheid state, much less Congresspeople.
A very large part of the relationship between Israel’s government and the US depends on a bipartisan consensus which is, while not dead, on shakier grounds than it has been for a long time.
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Postby South Americanastan » Sat May 22, 2021 10:27 am

Kowani wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:Odd how Hamas is claiming victory. Did Israel try to invade Gaza but lost some Merkava tanks and scores of infantry in a failed attempt? Nope, Israel just decided to stop bombing them. They may have arguably had a PR victory by sucking so badly that they get more underdog points.

More specifically speaking, there’s no way to frame this as a military victory…but in terms of PR, it’s huge
Israel lost control of the public narrative.
Oh, it was still biased towards them (looking at you, New York Times passive voice)
But not nearly to the degree as they wanted. You had several high-profile media hosts even go out and attack Israel as an apartheid state, much less Congresspeople.
A very large part of the relationship between Israel’s government and the US depends on a bipartisan consensus which is, while not dead, on shakier grounds than it has been for a long time.

Israel fucked up horribly, bombing civilians and all. Israel naturally has the moral high ground, Hamas being a terrorist organization and all. But they just throw it away by destroying civilian buildings, killing civilians, and bombing press offices. They have found some miraculous way to give an organization labeled terrorists by almost every western country the moral high ground, and it's not going to end well for them.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 22, 2021 10:49 am

Kowani wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:Odd how Hamas is claiming victory. Did Israel try to invade Gaza but lost some Merkava tanks and scores of infantry in a failed attempt? Nope, Israel just decided to stop bombing them. They may have arguably had a PR victory by sucking so badly that they get more underdog points.

More specifically speaking, there’s no way to frame this as a military victory…but in terms of PR, it’s huge
Israel lost control of the public narrative.
Oh, it was still biased towards them (looking at you, New York Times passive voice)
But not nearly to the degree as they wanted. You had several high-profile media hosts even go out and attack Israel as an apartheid state, much less Congresspeople.
A very large part of the relationship between Israel’s government and the US depends on a bipartisan consensus which is, while not dead, on shakier grounds than it has been for a long time.


That's a good point. Israel has enjoyed diplomatic successes in the past year but it doesn't seem to get its message across at a more grassroots level and that could translate to a political level in time if it hasn't already.
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Postby Kowani » Sat May 22, 2021 12:12 pm

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat May 22, 2021 1:54 pm

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Kowani wrote:More specifically speaking, there’s no way to frame this as a military victory…but in terms of PR, it’s huge
Israel lost control of the public narrative.
Oh, it was still biased towards them (looking at you, New York Times passive voice)
But not nearly to the degree as they wanted. You had several high-profile media hosts even go out and attack Israel as an apartheid state, much less Congresspeople.
A very large part of the relationship between Israel’s government and the US depends on a bipartisan consensus which is, while not dead, on shakier grounds than it has been for a long time.

Israel fucked up horribly, bombing civilians and all. Israel naturally has the moral high ground, Hamas being a terrorist organization and all. But they just throw it away by destroying civilian buildings, killing civilians, and bombing press offices. They have found some miraculous way to give an organization labeled terrorists by almost every western country the moral high ground, and it's not going to end well for them.


The reason Israel never sent a special ops team to kill their worst enemy is because they would end up terminating their very existence.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sat May 22, 2021 2:30 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
South Americanastan wrote:Israel fucked up horribly, bombing civilians and all. Israel naturally has the moral high ground, Hamas being a terrorist organization and all. But they just throw it away by destroying civilian buildings, killing civilians, and bombing press offices. They have found some miraculous way to give an organization labeled terrorists by almost every western country the moral high ground, and it's not going to end well for them.


The reason Israel never sent a special ops team to kill their worst enemy is because they would end up terminating their very existence.

Like what Arnold said, they don't self-terminate.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat May 22, 2021 2:39 pm

South Americanastan wrote:Israel fucked up horribly, bombing civilians and all. Israel naturally has the moral high ground, Hamas being a terrorist organization and all. But they just throw it away by destroying civilian buildings, killing civilians, and bombing press offices. They have found some miraculous way to give an organization labeled terrorists by almost every western country the moral high ground, and it's not going to end well for them.

It's not "fucking up", that was the entire objective. The IDF did not conduct their strikes with the intention of doing any significant damage to Hamas, just to the civilians of Gaza.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat May 22, 2021 2:41 pm

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South Americanastan wrote:Israel fucked up horribly, bombing civilians and all. Israel naturally has the moral high ground, Hamas being a terrorist organization and all. But they just throw it away by destroying civilian buildings, killing civilians, and bombing press offices. They have found some miraculous way to give an organization labeled terrorists by almost every western country the moral high ground, and it's not going to end well for them.

It's not "fucking up", that was the entire objective. The IDF did not conduct their strikes with the intention of doing any significant damage to Hamas, just to the civilians of Gaza.


The truth is, with all the tension between different Jewish communities in Israel, the country needs an outside boogeyman to unite its disparate Jewish peoples. They'll never truly destroy Iran or Palestinians "Hamas" because they need a whipping boy the population can direct their anger at.
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Postby South Americanastan » Sat May 22, 2021 2:50 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
South Americanastan wrote:Israel fucked up horribly, bombing civilians and all. Israel naturally has the moral high ground, Hamas being a terrorist organization and all. But they just throw it away by destroying civilian buildings, killing civilians, and bombing press offices. They have found some miraculous way to give an organization labeled terrorists by almost every western country the moral high ground, and it's not going to end well for them.

It's not "fucking up", that was the entire objective. The IDF did not conduct their strikes with the intention of doing any significant damage to Hamas, just to the civilians of Gaza.

The IDF's objective is not to harm civilians. It is to destroy Hamas. The problem is, they have no way of telling if someone's part of Hamas or not. Most countries would take a more defensive stance in this situation. The IDF decided to instead just bomb everything.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat May 22, 2021 2:52 pm

South Americanastan wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:It's not "fucking up", that was the entire objective. The IDF did not conduct their strikes with the intention of doing any significant damage to Hamas, just to the civilians of Gaza.

The IDF's objective is not to harm civilians. It is to destroy Hamas.

And I assume those fighter pilots who were interviewed just recently were bullshitting when they contradicted what you're pushing here.
South Americanastan wrote:The IDF decided to instead just bomb everything.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 22, 2021 2:58 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:It's not "fucking up", that was the entire objective. The IDF did not conduct their strikes with the intention of doing any significant damage to Hamas, just to the civilians of Gaza.

The IDF's objective is not to harm civilians. It is to destroy Hamas. The problem is, they have no way of telling if someone's part of Hamas or not. Most countries would take a more defensive stance in this situation. The IDF decided to instead just bomb everything.


If their objective was to destroy Hamas they wouldn't be bombing civilian infrastructure. Their conduct has much more in common with the German response to the Warsaw Uprising, not an anti-terror op.
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South Americanastan wrote:The IDF's objective is not to harm civilians. It is to destroy Hamas. The problem is, they have no way of telling if someone's part of Hamas or not. Most countries would take a more defensive stance in this situation. The IDF decided to instead just bomb everything.


If their objective was to destroy Hamas they wouldn't be bombing civilian infrastructure. Their conduct has much more in common with the German response to the Warsaw Uprising, not an anti-terror op.


Given their history of settlements, why does anyone believe that Israel actually cares about Palestinian lives? The more they kill, the less they have to evict when the settlers steal their land.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat May 22, 2021 3:36 pm

South Americanastan wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:It's not "fucking up", that was the entire objective. The IDF did not conduct their strikes with the intention of doing any significant damage to Hamas, just to the civilians of Gaza.

The IDF's objective is not to harm civilians.


Their own soldiers would disagree both in 2014 and now.
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