256 Gazans killed by unlawful Israeli bombardment

[Insaanistan]

so this is gaza right now

(Image)

and still, more

“From all the pain we suffered
But we are patient
Go to Gaza [oh, flying bird]
And kiss its soil

Her people are dignified
Her men are mighty
And go to Jerusalem
The capital

Al Aqsa its landmark
God willing
We will gather there

Oh flying bird
Going to my home

My eyes follow you
And God’s eyes protect you”

[Punished UMN]

Was it terrorism when the Allied forces bombed German cities?

Depends if the bomb fell on a strategic military target or not.

Public libraries, churches, apartment buildings, etc. do not qualify - in which case, yeah, that would be terrorism. Technically speaking.

What it *hits* doesn't make it terrorism, what the *attempt* is being made to hit is terrorism.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

so this is gaza right now

(Image)

and still, more

They're literally going to murder everyone in Gaza. That's too many explosions to be them only targeting hamas.

Is this what they meant by long term quiet? An extermination campaign?

[Il Borgia Vaticano]

The united states ought to disable and cease funding the iron dome immediately.

Iron Dome is the only worthwhile military equipment we’ve ever provided the Israelis with, you shouldn’t be rooting for more civilian casualties and an even more escalated situation. What we should stop is providing them with money and ammunition to keep everything else running (the artillery and planes and missiles currently being used to raze Gaza, the security forces used in West Bank crackdowns or to clear the way for settlers, etc.).

Yes, it reduces Israeli incentives to avoid war, but it can’t be used offensively and it’s saved a lot of lives. It also helps reduce the imperative to launch a larger ground campaign or even a full-blown re-invasion of Gaza, which we’re getting a taste of the consequences of rn.

The threat of increased civilian casualties is exactly what we might need to bring Israel to the negotiating table. So be it.

[Nakena]

Iron Dome is the only worthwhile military equipment we’ve ever provided the Israelis with, you shouldn’t be rooting for more civilian casualties and an even more escalated situation. What we should stop is providing them with money and ammunition to keep everything else running (the artillery and planes and missiles currently being used to raze Gaza, the security forces used in West Bank crackdowns or to clear the way for settlers, etc.).

Yes, it reduces Israeli incentives to avoid war, but it can’t be used offensively and it’s saved a lot of lives. It also helps reduce the imperative to launch a larger ground campaign or even a full-blown re-invasion of Gaza, which we’re getting a taste of the consequences of rn.

The threat of increased civilian casualties is exactly what we might need to bring Israel to the negotiating table. So be it.

Israel fought such wars long before Iron Dome was a thing even. Its not much of a game changer.

[Herzpunkt]

Depends if the bomb fell on a strategic military target or not.

Public libraries, churches, apartment buildings, etc. do not qualify - in which case, yeah, that would be terrorism. Technically speaking.

What it *hits* doesn't make it terrorism, what the *attempt* is being made to hit is terrorism.

Yeah if your attempting to purposely attack civilians thats terror, because theirs no other reason to be exterminating the population

[New Jacobland]

Bloody hell, just what the middle east needs. Unfortunately I cannot see any way out of this where Gaza stays Palestinian, unless there is foreign intervention. What do y'all think the chances are of some country intervening?

[Herzpunkt]

Bloody hell, just what the middle east needs. Unfortunately I cannot see any way out of this where Gaza stays Palestinian, unless there is foreign intervention. What do y'all think the chances are of some country intervening?

Directly? Slim to none if they know whats good for them.

[Senkaku]

Iron Dome is the only worthwhile military equipment we’ve ever provided the Israelis with, you shouldn’t be rooting for more civilian casualties and an even more escalated situation. What we should stop is providing them with money and ammunition to keep everything else running (the artillery and planes and missiles currently being used to raze Gaza, the security forces used in West Bank crackdowns or to clear the way for settlers, etc.).

Yes, it reduces Israeli incentives to avoid war, but it can’t be used offensively and it’s saved a lot of lives. It also helps reduce the imperative to launch a larger ground campaign or even a full-blown re-invasion of Gaza, which we’re getting a taste of the consequences of rn.

The threat of increased civilian casualties is exactly what we might need to bring Israel to the negotiating table. So be it.

Okay, firstly: that’s a psychopathic and also plain impractical way to go about diplomatic negotiations. More civilian deaths just increases the appetite for war, it won’t cow Israel into submission. Terror bombing campaigns throughout history have tended to actually strengthen the morale of the targeted population.

Secondly: while we provided development funding, Iron Dome is their thing. They can still produce launchers and missiles and radars for it without us; America’s leverage is in the money we give them for other stuff and the weapons we transfer or sell to them (which Iron Dome is not a part of). The most leverage we have re: Iron Dome I believe would be to scrap plans to build an assembly plant for Iron Dome missiles over here (which would not be what any sane person would start with if they were trying to leverage the Israelis).

[Wallenburg]

and still, more

They're literally going to murder everyone in Gaza. That's too many explosions to be them only targeting hamas.

Is this what they meant by long term quiet? An extermination campaign?

I suppose everyone has to find out for themselves at one time or another.

[Kowani]

several hundred palestinians leave their homes as bombardment continues

[Lady Victory]

Depends if the bomb fell on a strategic military target or not.

Public libraries, churches, apartment buildings, etc. do not qualify - in which case, yeah, that would be terrorism. Technically speaking.

What it *hits* doesn't make it terrorism, what the *attempt* is being made to hit is terrorism.

Okay, yeah, you got me there. I suppose I should ask then if the bombings were specifically targeting civilians or if they were intended merely to cripple the German war effort.

[Australian rePublic]

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[Punished UMN]

What it *hits* doesn't make it terrorism, what the *attempt* is being made to hit is terrorism.

Okay, yeah, you got me there. I suppose I should ask then if the bombings were specifically targeting civilians or if they were intended merely to cripple the German war effort.

What makes you think the two are separate?

[Herzpunkt]

What it *hits* doesn't make it terrorism, what the *attempt* is being made to hit is terrorism.

Okay, yeah, you got me there. I suppose I should ask then if the bombings were specifically targeting civilians or if they were intended merely to cripple the German war effort.

“War effort” includes personal and recruits

[Nakena]

Bloody hell, just what the middle east needs. Unfortunately I cannot see any way out of this where Gaza stays Palestinian, unless there is foreign intervention. What do y'all think the chances are of some country intervening?

It's for sure fun patrolling the urban mess that gaza like a turtle in a armored APC at night with sharpshooters and IED at every possible corner.

Thats then called "Peacekeeping"

[New Jacobland]

Bloody hell, just what the middle east needs. Unfortunately I cannot see any way out of this where Gaza stays Palestinian, unless there is foreign intervention. What do y'all think the chances are of some country intervening?

Directly? Slim to none if they know whats good for them.

My thoughts exactly. The only nation that has a chance might be Egypt.

[Insaanistan]

several hundred palestinians leave their homes as bombardment continues

Ya nakba.

[Herzpunkt]

Directly? Slim to none if they know whats good for them.

My thoughts exactly. The only nation that has a chance might be Egypt.

Yeah but thats another can of worms

[Lady Victory]

Okay, yeah, you got me there. I suppose I should ask then if the bombings were specifically targeting civilians or if they were intended merely to cripple the German war effort.

What makes you think the two are separate?

Butchering civilian non-combatants is not a valid tactic to hinder the enemy's ability to wage war.

At least not to anyone with an intact moral compass.

[Immortan Khan]

Depends if the bomb fell on a strategic military target or not.

Public libraries, churches, apartment buildings, etc. do not qualify - in which case, yeah, that would be terrorism. Technically speaking.

What it *hits* doesn't make it terrorism, what the *attempt* is being made to hit is terrorism.

Tbf one of the stated aims of the Allied bombing campaign was to inflict terror on the German population to sap their morale.

[Punished UMN]

What makes you think the two are separate?

Butchering civilian non-combatants is not a valid tactic to hinder the enemy's ability to wage war.

At least not to anyone with an intact moral compass.

Well then the Allies didn't have a moral compass.

[Herzpunkt]

Butchering civilian non-combatants is not a valid tactic to hinder the enemy's ability to wage war.

At least not to anyone with an intact moral compass.

Well then the Allies didn't have a moral compass.

Guess not

[Borderlands of Rojava]

What makes you think the two are separate?

Butchering civilian non-combatants is not a valid tactic to hinder the enemy's ability to wage war.

At least not to anyone with an intact moral compass.

Benjamin Netanyahu be like "I never let morals get in the way of Zionism."

[Dowaesk]

Bloody hell, just what the middle east needs. Unfortunately I cannot see any way out of this where Gaza stays Palestinian, unless there is foreign intervention. What do y'all think the chances are of some country intervening?

Likely. Turkey and Pakistan seems to.