Portland man beaten up at impromptu Checkpoint

[Alcala-Cordel]

...a checkpoint???
the fuck is going on up there-

Proud Boys and other right wing groups/militias are trying to "Reclaim the State" especially in rural areas.

Pretty much everywhere above Sacramento and below Seattle has mobilized rightist groups doing this. In my town there's been a group of them going into places that require masks and harassing/threatening people (including me). Oh, and they're being appointed to local positions.

[The Emerald Legion]

And this is why you should hit the gas instead of the brake.

However repulsive the idea of this is, when people attack drivers for stopping their vehicles and getting out this is exactly the kind of behaviour that is being incentivised.

People should be more willing to see their actions in terms of their results on broader society as a whole, and the political left especially so given how much of our beliefs rest on that idea.

I mean this is the whole idea behind guest rights in Heathenry. If you fuck over your host, your host will be less likely to host not only you, but the next traveler as well. If you fuck over a guest, you risk being fucked over when you go out to travel.

[Drongonia]

...a checkpoint???
the fuck is going on up there-

Proud Boys and other right wing groups/militias are trying to "Reclaim the State" especially in rural areas.

Oregon for most of its history has been pretty fucking racist, even going so far as to enact laws that made it illegal for non-white people to live here. Well, around the time of The Civil Right's Movement, most of the racists in power got kicked out/exiled to Idaho, Montana, etc...

Well, they of course didn't like this, and with the rise of Trumpism in 2015/2016, a lot of right-wing groups have been testing the waters and are trying to turn Oregon from Blue to Red, something they think it should always have been. It's especially bad in rural areas. For example, during the wildfires, cops were allowing right-wing militia groups to pull over and attack evacuees who they think "Had ties to ANTIFA." They also believed that ANTIFA started the wildfires to begin with, for some reason.

This is why Portland has kind of been a hotbed for riots, because the people there, especially younger ones, aren't willing to put up with the Proud Boys and Militia bullshit. A lot of people just focus on the rioters, but not what they're rioting against. (That being, Proud Boys and other right wing groups running around the state trying to cause shit)

So forget about the rioters literally beating the shit out of someone for no reason... because le nazis amirite guys???

[New haven america]

Proud Boys and other right wing groups/militias are trying to "Reclaim the State" especially in rural areas.

Oregon for most of its history has been pretty fucking racist, even going so far as to enact laws that made it illegal for non-white people to live here. Well, around the time of The Civil Right's Movement, most of the racists in power got kicked out/exiled to Idaho, Montana, etc...

Well, they of course didn't like this, and with the rise of Trumpism in 2015/2016, a lot of right-wing groups have been testing the waters and are trying to turn Oregon from Blue to Red, something they think it should always have been. It's especially bad in rural areas. For example, during the wildfires, cops were allowing right-wing militia groups to pull over and attack evacuees who they think "Had ties to ANTIFA." They also believed that ANTIFA started the wildfires to begin with, for some reason.

This is why Portland has kind of been a hotbed for riots, because the people there, especially younger ones, aren't willing to put up with the Proud Boys and Militia bullshit. A lot of people just focus on the rioters, but not what they're rioting against. (That being, Proud Boys and other right wing groups running around the state trying to cause shit)

So forget about the rioters literally beating the shit out of someone for no reason... because le nazis amirite guys???

Yes yes, we know how difficult arguing in good faith can be.

Tis schtick got old a decade ago.

[Major-Tom]

The Rose City has unfortunately become a sort of petri dish for radical groups on either side of the aisle who feel they can get away with shit like this.

[The Rich Port]

Proud Boys and other right wing groups/militias are trying to "Reclaim the State" especially in rural areas.

Oregon for most of its history has been pretty fucking racist, even going so far as to enact laws that made it illegal for non-white people to live here. Well, around the time of The Civil Right's Movement, most of the racists in power got kicked out/exiled to Idaho, Montana, etc...

Well, they of course didn't like this, and with the rise of Trumpism in 2015/2016, a lot of right-wing groups have been testing the waters and are trying to turn Oregon from Blue to Red, something they think it should always have been. It's especially bad in rural areas. For example, during the wildfires, cops were allowing right-wing militia groups to pull over and attack evacuees who they think "Had ties to ANTIFA." They also believed that ANTIFA started the wildfires to begin with, for some reason.

This is why Portland has kind of been a hotbed for riots, because the people there, especially younger ones, aren't willing to put up with the Proud Boys and Militia bullshit. A lot of people just focus on the rioters, but not what they're rioting against. (That being, Proud Boys and other right wing groups running around the state trying to cause shit)

So forget about the rioters literally beating the shit out of someone for no reason... because le nazis amirite guys???

I mean to be fair.

People in the crowd also tried to stop these dudes armed with rifles, do their efforts not count?

I would also maybe like a confirmation that they are BLM and not something else before we're quick to condemn all of BLM because of the actions of these dudes.

I forget, isn't Portland the city that had like an anarchist enclave in it, or at least an attempted one.

Or is it the Black Hammer dudes... In which case, they're Black Nazis but they're still Nazis so.

[Grand Proudhonia]

This is a pretty disgusting violation of the right to freedom of movement, I can only hope these guys get slapped with the book

[New haven america]

Well, they of course didn't like this, and with the rise of Trumpism in 2015/2016, a lot of right-wing groups have been testing the waters and are trying to turn Oregon from Blue to Red, something they think it should always have been. It's especially bad in rural areas. For example, during the wildfires, cops were allowing right-wing militia groups to pull over and attack evacuees who they think "Had ties to ANTIFA." They also believed that ANTIFA started the wildfires to begin with, for some reason.

People do sometimes deliberately start wildfires. It would be nice if we could co-ordinate and oversee rural people who have a clear personal interest (their lives and property) in fewer wildfires and less looting, to ... yes, set up roadblocks, on roads closed by police order to non-locals, or closed by national parks or state reserve managers.

Anyone they don't recognize, and isn't a firefighter or police, they could question (with no special powers to demand true answers or ID) and if they don't trust what they hear then let them through but call the police on them.

At some point there aren't enough to police to stop looters, and they'd have to concentrate on suspected firebugs.

If local people want to close roads to reduce obvious risks to their lives and property, they'll have to do it in co-operation with police, state and federal authorities. But "they're gun crazy right wingers, we must ban them" is not a workable strategy. They have the advantage of wide open spaces, and private property police need a warrant to enter, and they probably have plenty of fertilizer to make IED's too. Rather than escalating this, could we recognize that these people have a legitimate interest in who goes into the forest in fire season, weed out the crazies, and let the others do police work for free?

Did you just float the idea around that ANTIFA was the actual cause of the 2020 wildfires in Oregon and California?

Also, it's kinda hard to loot shit when everything is on fire and hot enough to melt steel!

[USS Monitor]

So... Threatening people at gunpoint for making a wrong turn is not a legitimate form of protest.

But I don't understand why the guy got out of his truck the second time, after he was able to start moving again.

[USS Monitor]

So forget about the rioters literally beating the shit out of someone for no reason... because le nazis amirite guys???

I mean to be fair.

People in the crowd also tried to stop these dudes armed with rifles, do their efforts not count?

I would also maybe like a confirmation that they are BLM and not something else before we're quick to condemn all of BLM because of the actions of these dudes.

I forget, isn't Portland the city that had like an anarchist enclave in it, or at least an attempted one.

Or is it the Black Hammer dudes... In which case, they're Black Nazis but they're still Nazis so.

Portland definitely has anarchists.

[New haven america]

Did you just float the idea around that ANTIFA was the actual cause of the 2020 wildfires in Oregon and California?

No. It's all you trying to define good-actors and bad-actors by political allegiance. Rural people tend to be right wing, but that doesn't mean they'll always ignore their own material interests and act on political ideology instead.

They may have made the mistake of thinking the the out-of-towners who may have lit a fire near them, are the same individuals lighting fires in the city.

They would best be corrected in that, by catching some actual firebug bastards. You're not nervous are you? Sometimes they might turn out to be BLM sympathisers who also do that pyro thing for fun, but if the law can't establish that BLM-stuff was the motive of lighting fires (or looting) then you have nothing to be worried about.

Also, it's kinda hard to loot shit when everything is on fire and hot enough to melt steel!

People abandon their properties sometimes, to protect the lives of their family and themselves. I cannot stress enough how random it is which buildings will get burned down and which won't. With no-one home it's pretty easy for looters.

I've heard that property owners used to leave a sign at the front gate so fire-fighters would know the buildings were a lower priority to defend than occupied ones. Insurance companies didn't like that, but looters sure did.

So much said, so little actual value can be found.

So that's a yes.

[Grand Proudhonia]

So... Threatening people at gunpoint for making a wrong turn is not a legitimate form of protest.

But I don't understand why the guy got out of his truck the second time, after he was able to start moving again.

People do stupid shit while under distress

[USS Monitor]

So... Threatening people at gunpoint for making a wrong turn is not a legitimate form of protest.

But I don't understand why the guy got out of his truck the second time, after he was able to start moving again.

People do stupid shit while under distress

That's some stupid shit, though.

[Senkaku]

Seriously, why is this a surprise? Eventually if impromptu convoys are going through your town someone’s going to set up an impromptu checkpoint; this shit is only getting worse. Portland is going to be a real problem for the foreseeable future.

[The Two Jerseys]

So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these "protesters" have never heard of temporary traffic control...

[Risottia]

Checkpoints are a thing now:

One question springs to my mind.

WHERE THE FUCK WERE THE POLICE?
The US police forces seem quite responsive and determined when it's about killing unarmed people, killing people in their houses after breaking in without even knocking, killing restrained people, detaining kids, pepperspraying unarmed protesters...
when it's about a paramilitary band of heavily-armed thugs assaulting people on the roads in broad daylight, or a paramilitary band of heavily-armed thugs assaulting and occupying federal property, the police forces seem to be way more lenient.

[Risottia]

So... Threatening people at gunpoint for making a wrong turn is not a legitimate form of protest.

But I don't understand why the guy got out of his truck the second time, after he was able to start moving again.

People tend to lack clarity while being assaulted.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Well thank heavens they had guns so everyone was safe. Imagine how terrible this could have been if people hadn't been armed.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

So... Portland is now a battleground between Proud Boys and left-wing groups like ANTIFA and Black Hammer Organization? And the police don’t give a fuck?

*le Eric Andre let me in gif*

[Nakena]

So... Portland is now a battleground between Proud Boys and left-wing groups like ANTIFA and Black Hammer Organization? And the police don’t give a fuck?

*le Eric Andre let me in gif*

So it seems.

[Vassenor]

I would also maybe like a confirmation that they are BLM and not something else before we're quick to condemn all of BLM because of the actions of these dudes.

You're not actually supposed to ask that question, I believe.

[Austreylia]

Why do these insufferable people larp so badly?

They're going to get completely annihilated when push comes to shove.

[Austreylia]

Portland is just Baghdad at this point, as soon will be most cities in America.

Weimerica Inshallah

And when that happens, people are going to start having to answer for their crimes.

[Drongonia]

Portland is just Baghdad at this point, as soon will be most cities in America.

Weimerica Inshallah

And when that happens, people are going to start having to answer for their crimes.

I doubt it. In the scenario you're pitching, it's more likely that the state (or what's left of it) puts its foot down to restore some sort of order and to root out the "evil White Nationalists", rather than it being an anarchy scenario.

[Austreylia]

I doubt it. In the scenario you're pitching, it's more likely that the state (or what's left of it) puts its foot down to restore some sort of order and to root out the "evil White Nationalists", rather than it being an anarchy scenario.

They would try to, but they can't hold back the tide.

And I'd imagine that a lot of cops and soldiers would only be too happy to take part in the anti-Weimerica clean-up operations.