On the Matter of Crocodiles

[Destyntine]

Option 2, the crocodiles are just animals, they are not inherently evil and don't kill out of spite. I'd choose to leave the crocs alone.

[The Huskar Social Union]

A commander fails to win a battle, then gets almost his entire remaining force killed because he acted on faulty information.

This doesn't sound like something to reward.

He died in direct combat, trying to save the unit from the crocs.

He and his men died because of his stupid decisions and lack of knowledge of the area they were assigned to.

That is absolutely not worth rewarding.

[NGRA]

well while number 2 is the most logical, number 4 seems to be the best option of my own survival as the emperor doesn't seem like a reasonable person
its also cheaper than option 1 and 3

[The Free Joy State]

The commander didn’t account for the massive risk factor of the crocodiles due to faulty maps and limited intel. The swamps retreat route was chosen to bypass aerial surveillance from the advancing enemy.

Crocodiles are starting to sound more and more like overexaggerations of the real thing by survivors.

Considering the massive incompetence of the RL dictatorship of the 1940s, which the Empire here seems to represent, the incompetence shown here seems real.

What I don't understand is why we are supposed to want to support it, want to reward it, or want to kill local wildlife to cover it up.

[The Blaatschapen]

Would option four mean that there is a gate in the sealed off part?

Can it then be called the alligate?

Please?

Anyway, I pick option 2.

[Infected Mushroom]

Would option four mean that there is a gate in the sealed off part?

Can it then be called the alligate?

Please?

Anyway, I pick option 2.

Maybe. You could recommend the alligate on your proposal. Why? Is this important?

[Ifreann]

The commander wasn't familiar with the area they were commanding? That's some pretty stupid complacency.

Mistakes can be made.

Mistakes don't usually get rewarded with massive avenging military operations. Because that would be stupid.

[The Blaatschapen]

Would option four mean that there is a gate in the sealed off part?

Can it then be called the alligate?

Please?

Anyway, I pick option 2.

Maybe. You could recommend the alligate on your proposal. Why? Is this important?

Puns are always important.

[The Free Joy State]

Would option four mean that there is a gate in the sealed off part?

Can it then be called the alligate?

Please?

Anyway, I pick option 2.

I prefer to be on friendly terms and help the crocs, an allied-gator, if you will.

[Dogmeat]

Send in mutant gorillas and call HBO.

[The Blaatschapen]

Would option four mean that there is a gate in the sealed off part?

Can it then be called the alligate?

Please?

Anyway, I pick option 2.

I prefer to be on friendly terms and help the crocs, an allied-gator, if you will.

'kay man.

[The Holy Therns]

A commander fails to win a battle, then gets almost his entire remaining force killed because he acted on faulty information.

This doesn't sound like something to reward.

He died in direct combat, trying to save the unit from the crocs.

That he led them into, after losing a battle, because he also failed to gather sufficient intel about the terrain. Pretty literally all of this is just "commander was idiot, do you want to blame wild animals for that Y/N?"

[Infected Mushroom]

He died in direct combat, trying to save the unit from the crocs.

That he led them into, after losing a battle, because he also failed to gather sufficient intel about the terrain. Pretty literally all of this is just "commander was idiot, do you want to blame wild animals for that Y/N?"

The wild animals were active agents and participants in the mass killing of the soldiers.

[The Black Remnant]

That he led them into, after losing a battle, because he also failed to gather sufficient intel about the terrain. Pretty literally all of this is just "commander was idiot, do you want to blame wild animals for that Y/N?"

The wild animals were active agents and participants in the mass killing of the soldiers.

And yet it's not their fault the soldiers decided to take a lovely jaunt in the swamp on outdated maps.
The animals are nonsapient and looking for a meal, the soldiers are actual people being led by an idiot working with insufficient intel and/or having been provided insufficient detail by idiots higher up.

[Infected Mushroom]

The wild animals were active agents and participants in the mass killing of the soldiers.

And yet it's not their fault the soldiers decided to take a lovely jaunt in the swamp on outdated maps.
The animals are nonsapient and looking for a meal, the soldiers are actual people being led by an idiot working with insufficient intel and/or having been provided insufficient detail by idiots higher up.

They acted as the final, living link in the chain of causation in the deaths of the soldiers.

[The Free Joy State]

And yet it's not their fault the soldiers decided to take a lovely jaunt in the swamp on outdated maps.
The animals are nonsapient and looking for a meal, the soldiers are actual people being led by an idiot working with insufficient intel and/or having been provided insufficient detail by idiots higher up.

They acted as the final, living link in the chain of causation in the deaths of the soldiers.

The stupid actions of the commander was the final, living link that caused the deaths of soldiers (who would, themselves, have killed goodness knows how many from the Allied... erm, Great Nations). The crocodiles were doing what crocodiles do.

Exterminating an animal to cover up for the mistakes of a stupid military leader is not reasonable, honourable or humane.

[The Black Remnant]

They acted as the final, living link in the chain of causation in the deaths of the soldiers.

The stupid actions of the commander was the final, living link that caused the deaths of soldiers (who would, themselves, have killed goodness knows how many from the Allied... erm, Great Nations). The crocodiles were doing what crocodiles do.

Exterminating an animal to cover up for the mistakes of a stupid military leader is not reasonable, honourable or humane.

This^^

Again, rounding back to how "xenomorph crocodiles" are likely the soldiers attempting to save their own hides...
"How the fuck did you lose this many people to the local wildlife?"
"They were uhhhhh, they were MUTANT crocodiles with SUPER STRENGTH AND SPEED"

Is less likely to get you executed than "Sir, our officer was an idiot and we had insufficient intel"

[Ifreann]

Send in mutant gorillas and call HBO.

Plot twist: The gorillas and crocodiles become friends.

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And yet it's not their fault the soldiers decided to take a lovely jaunt in the swamp on outdated maps.
The animals are nonsapient and looking for a meal, the soldiers are actual people being led by an idiot working with insufficient intel and/or having been provided insufficient detail by idiots higher up.

They acted as the final, living link in the chain of causation in the deaths of the soldiers.

This is why I think you hate animals. You keep trying to invent excuses to make the animals to blame for the hapless idiots who ran into their swamp, when it's obvious to everyone else that the fault lies with the hapless idiots who ran into a wild animal's home and got themselves attacked.

[The Black Remnant]

Send in mutant gorillas and call HBO.

Plot twist: The gorillas and crocodiles become friends.

"Mom I wanna watch GvK"
"We have GvK at home"
GvK at home:

[Infected Mushroom]

Send in mutant gorillas and call HBO.

Plot twist: The gorillas and crocodiles become friends.

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They acted as the final, living link in the chain of causation in the deaths of the soldiers.

This is why I think you hate animals. You keep trying to invent excuses to make the animals to blame for the hapless idiots who ran into their swamp, when it's obvious to everyone else that the fault lies with the hapless idiots who ran into a wild animal's home and got themselves attacked.

Who put their teeth on the soldiers?

This is the final piece of the analysis for me. Basically, who's the last living link.

Yes the commander made a bad call, but that places him in only comparable guilt level as the Great Nation forces that forced the Empire to have to retreat in the first place and if you go even further back... I'm sure you could make na argument for any other number of remote actors. That's why you have to look at the last link in the chain of causation and consider the But For test. But For the crocodiles, the last piece, the deaths wouldn't have played out in this manner.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And yet it's not their fault the soldiers decided to take a lovely jaunt in the swamp on outdated maps.
The animals are nonsapient and looking for a meal, the soldiers are actual people being led by an idiot working with insufficient intel and/or having been provided insufficient detail by idiots higher up.

They acted as the final, living link in the chain of causation in the deaths of the soldiers.

Because they are animals. Not only that, predators, apex predators that kill and eat things that come near them.

[The Free Joy State]

Plot twist: The gorillas and crocodiles become friends.

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This is why I think you hate animals. You keep trying to invent excuses to make the animals to blame for the hapless idiots who ran into their swamp, when it's obvious to everyone else that the fault lies with the hapless idiots who ran into a wild animal's home and got themselves attacked.

Who put their teeth on the soldiers?

This is the final piece of the analysis for me. Basically, who's the last living link.

Yes the commander made a bad call, but that places him in only comparable guilt level as the Great Nation forces that forced the Empire to have to retreat in the first place and if you go even further back... I'm sure you could make na argument for any other number of remote actors. That's why you have to look at the last link in the chain of causation and consider the But For test. But For the crocodiles, the last piece, the deaths wouldn't have played out in this manner.

So the Allies... Great Nation... should have just rolled over and welcomed the evil dictatorship?

That's before we go into how ludicrous it is to call an animal guilty, while excusing a sentient and sapient person (that would be the commander).

I mean, at this point, you're making the same kind of unbelievable excuses for your evil dictatorship's total incompetence that you do for Witch Hitler's propensity to commit genocide.

[Heloin]

Plot twist: The gorillas and crocodiles become friends.

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This is why I think you hate animals. You keep trying to invent excuses to make the animals to blame for the hapless idiots who ran into their swamp, when it's obvious to everyone else that the fault lies with the hapless idiots who ran into a wild animal's home and got themselves attacked.

Who put their teeth on the soldiers?

This is the final piece of the analysis for me. Basically, who's the last living link.

Yes the commander made a bad call, but that places him in only comparable guilt level as the Great Nation forces that forced the Empire to have to retreat in the first place and if you go even further back... I'm sure you could make na argument for any other number of remote actors. That's why you have to look at the last link in the chain of causation and consider the But For test. But For the crocodiles, the last piece, the deaths wouldn't have played out in this manner.

If a group of people are incompetent enough to keep dying to crocodiles after the first guy was eaten then they are all complete idiots. The only way it's "feasible" is if they're retreat was so scattered and disorganised that it was little more then a rout.

[Infected Mushroom]

Who put their teeth on the soldiers?

This is the final piece of the analysis for me. Basically, who's the last living link.

Yes the commander made a bad call, but that places him in only comparable guilt level as the Great Nation forces that forced the Empire to have to retreat in the first place and if you go even further back... I'm sure you could make na argument for any other number of remote actors. That's why you have to look at the last link in the chain of causation and consider the But For test. But For the crocodiles, the last piece, the deaths wouldn't have played out in this manner.

If a group of people are incompetent enough to keep dying to crocodiles after the first guy was eaten then they are all complete idiots. The only way it's "feasible" is if they're retreat was so scattered and disorganised that it was little more then a rout.

The crocodiles watched and waited until enough soldiers were knee deep in the waters before making their sudden play. At first they did individual pick offs from under the water then eventually launched massed charges near watery areas utilizing the darkness and other cover.

[The Black Remnant]

Who put their teeth on the soldiers?

This is the final piece of the analysis for me. Basically, who's the last living link.

Yes the commander made a bad call, but that places him in only comparable guilt level as the Great Nation forces that forced the Empire to have to retreat in the first place and if you go even further back... I'm sure you could make na argument for any other number of remote actors. That's why you have to look at the last link in the chain of causation and consider the But For test. But For the crocodiles, the last piece, the deaths wouldn't have played out in this manner.

Again, you're acting like the Crocodiles were acting with malevolence.

They are, at their core, mere animals. Hungry animals. Would you try a crocodile for murder if it killed someone? No.

Furthermore, how in any way does the Great Nation's force in this make a difference? They forced a retreat yes but it's not like they deliberately drove them into the swamps, the commander decided to gamble with the route to avoid aerial attacks and failed the gamble. They are, for all intents, outside the hypothetical.

And again we're dealing with wild animals-assigning guilt to them is a nonsensical task because they only act for survival, not out of malevolence towards all living things.

The crocodiles watched and waited until enough soldiers were knee deep in the waters before making their sudden play. At first they did individual pick offs from under the water then eventually launched massed charges near watery areas utilizing the darkness and other cover.

That is not at all how crocodiles work, they don't "Mass charge". They're ambush predators and even though they do coordinate and collaborate they would never zerg rush a target because of how their bodies work, or are you still sticking to nonsensical ubercrocodiles that are not at all crocodiles?