1 Mosque Built, 1 Christian Monument Destroyed Every 2 Weeks

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Le Pen supporters: We are so fed up and tired of Muslims burning down churches.

Black metal musicians when someone else gets the credit:

[Lady Victory]

I mean this is going to happen when you go in to any thread vaguely about religion and demand that all religion everywhere be destroyed.

This isnt early 4chan. We aren't really big on radical Atheism and fedora tipping here.

You aren't perhaps, but some of us are simply predisposed to schadenfreude regarding that particular church.

I'll gladly criticize the Roman Catholic Church, Islam, and Anti-Theism any day of the week.

But I won't go so far as to advocate for the destruction of any of these things. Probably because the idea of controlling what other people think is unappealing to me as an anti-authoritarian.

[Lady Victory]

Le Pen supporters: We are so fed up and tired of Muslims burning down churches.

Black metal musicians when someone else gets the credit:

Varg Vikernes does live in France these days. Hhmmm....

[Neutraligon]

What exactly is supposed to be discussed here?

[GuessTheAltAccount]

On the other hand, perhaps if EVERY religious building gets burned down, perhaps LGBTQ activists, abortion patients, Sunday workers, and people waiting on cures from stem cell research can get together to have beautiful dance parties on the ashes of religion.

We can dream, can't we?

I'd much rather dance on the ashes of bigotry like this tbh.

You realize most of tge groups you described consistent of religious people, yes? No, of course you didn't. Because "religion bad" and the facts don't matter to you.

If they help with offsetting the harms caused by religion, I will appreciate their help, but that doesn't mean I should sugar coat how foolish I think they are being for contributing to both the problem and the solution at the same time. Perhaps they should stop pouring acid on themselves BEFORE they start pouring the baking soda on the burn.

[Grand Proudhonia]

What exactly is supposed to be discussed here?

Why we should genocide Muslims, I presume... The whole thread is just bait

[Kubra]

You aren't perhaps, but some of us are simply predisposed to schadenfreude regarding that particular church.

I'll gladly criticize the Roman Catholic Church, Islam, and Anti-Theism any day of the week.

But I won't go so far as to advocate for the destruction of any of these things. Probably because the idea of controlling what other people think is unappealing to me as an anti-authoritarian.

Perhaps you will not, because you do not instinctively flinch at the sight of a whipping belt.

[Kowani]

And entirely fabricated, as you'd know if you read the rest of the thread.

There are those who deal with reality ...and then there are those who try to force the narrative to conform to their wishful thinking:

Les églises, victimes d'un inquiétant vandalisme
https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-franc ... alisme.php

Anti-Christian Attacks in France Rose 285 Percent Since 2008
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2020/07 ... ince-2008/

Anti-christian vandalism is on the rise ...as is Islam in France.

If you want to close your eyes, that is up to you but don't deny reality just because you can't cope with it.

firstly, this is just lazy propaganda
you'd have to prove that the incidents were caused by an increase in the islamic population, not, say the fact that a large subset of the French population isn't religious at all

secondly, as we've gone over...your numbers are bullshit my guy

[Grand Proudhonia]

I'll gladly criticize the Roman Catholic Church, Islam, and Anti-Theism any day of the week.

But I won't go so far as to advocate for the destruction of any of these things. Probably because the idea of controlling what other people think is unappealing to me as an anti-authoritarian.

Perhaps you will not, because you do not instinctively flinch at the sight of a whipping belt.

Can you not speak in code for two seconds

[Shofercia]

Thing is, unless the government cares for all historical sites, enforcement isn't going to be as effective as possible, as it promotes the "if you don't care about my historical site, why should I give a fuck about yours?" mentality.

On the other hand, perhaps if EVERY religious building gets burned down, perhaps LGBTQ activists, abortion patients, Sunday workers, and people waiting on cures from stem cell research can get together to have beautiful dance parties on the ashes of religion.

We can dream, can't we?

That level of destruction would destroy the fabric of our society, bringing us back to might makes right and the state of nature.

[Kubra]

Perhaps you will not, because you do not instinctively flinch at the sight of a whipping belt.

Can you not speak in code for two seconds

What do you suppose is meant by the phrase?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Le Pen supporters: We are so fed up and tired of Muslims burning down churches.

Black metal musicians when someone else gets the credit:

Varg Vikernes does live in France these days. Hhmmm....

Vars: Don't you all get it? The Muslims didn't burn the church down for Allah. I burned it down for Satan.

Pierre: Maybe what he's trying to say is, we all share a bit of the blame for the church burning down.

Marcus: I burned the church down.

Camille: I burned the church down.

Vars: No, no that isn't what I mean. I mean I literally burned the church down.

Justine: I burned the church down.

Dominique: And I burned the church down.

Vars: NO YOU IDIOTS I BURNED IT DOWN. I DOUSED IT IN GASOLINE AND LIT IT ON FIRE!

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

ugh post gone

[Lady Victory]

I'd much rather dance on the ashes of bigotry like this tbh.

You realize most of tge groups you described consistent of religious people, yes? No, of course you didn't. Because "religion bad" and the facts don't matter to you.

If they help with offsetting the harms caused by religion, I will appreciate their help, but that doesn't mean I should sugar coat how foolish I think they are being for contributing to both the problem and the solution at the same time. Perhaps they should stop pouring acid on themselves BEFORE they start pouring the baking soda on the burn.

The causes are tribalism and xenophobia, not religion. You'd know this if you'd bother to learn about human nature instead of regurgitating Imgur comments.

I'll gladly criticize the Roman Catholic Church, Islam, and Anti-Theism any day of the week.

But I won't go so far as to advocate for the destruction of any of these things. Probably because the idea of controlling what other people think is unappealing to me as an anti-authoritarian.

Perhaps you will not, because you do not instinctively flinch at the sight of a whipping belt.

Fortunately abusive nuns, while a staple of the RCC, aren't a necessary piece of it's theology and can eventually be done away with.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Religion: enriches the world with rules on how to live in harmony with one another

In theory? Perhaps. In practice? No.

Politicians like Trump: abuse religion to further secular goals and self-promotion

This is ridiculous. By what standard, if any, do we get to decide what is an "abuse" of religion and what is religion's own fault?

At some point you look at what correlates with its popularity geographically and realize that whatever goals you think it had in theory, if "getting Trump elected" wasn't one of 'em, it has some pretty severe side-effects.

Anti-theists: judge every religious person by the behaviour of not particularly religious men like Trump

Again, we don't know how religious he is. It sounds fake, but everything that lunatic says sounds fake. Maybe the part where Lot fucks his daughters caught his attention more than the part where Jesus healed the sick. Not unlike how before Trump it was welfare opponents quoting "he who does not work neither shall he eat" as an excuse to leave poor people to starve to death if they don't submit to every apeshit insane whim every abusive boss imposes on the poor this week.

Actually religious people: point out the flaw in that comparison, and suggest a more respectful way to discuss the difference of opinion

How effective were the more sugar-coated variants of anti-religious activism, before Internet culture drew attention to the less sugar-coated ones?

Anti-theists: accuse religious people of ignorance and pride, missing a giant case of projection.

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Ignorance is one thing. Willful ignorance is another.

And when the tree of knowledge is considered a bad thing; when "faith" in spite of the evidence is seen as something to respect; that crosses the line into willful.

[Y-ap]

LGBTQ people can be religious too.

Yeah, and poor people can be Republicans. They're still playing right into the hands of those working against them.

Not all the world is like the USA. For instance, in Europe, poor people can vote for socialists. You know, parties that actually care about their financial position, instead of just saying they will maybe get round to it by the end of next year (like the Democrats in the USA do.)

You may want to stop categorising them by one innate characterictic only.

That characteristic is a microcosm of the flawed judgment of the authors of the Bible.

The Bible is hardly the only religious (set of) document(s) in the world. Religion is not equal to Christianity and Christianity is not equal to religion. And that isn't even mentioning the vast divergence of interpretations of that Bible. I'll grant you that Biblical interpretation is a cosm - as is theology in general- but a microcosm?

We are intersectional human beings, and as such, we are a very diverse group with lost of different outlooks on both the physical and metaphysical.

Doesn't matter. You're still legitimizing the same flawed belief system.

What I am trying to point out is that there is way more than one belief system being discussed here. "Religion" encompasses everything from yoga to prayers, from incence burning to speaking to the casket of a deceased family member, from ancestor worship to divination and from ghost stories to fairy tales. And oh yeah, there are also some major religions with vast bodies of theology: they too are religion.

And LGBTQ people are free to choose wichever of these religious beliefs suits them (or more than one, or none at all), and to which degree. When you say that I should reject my religion just because of my sexual orientation,

or because somehow my prayers - outside of the USA - legitimise Trump ,

then you are saying that my choice should be more limited than the choices of my straight peers.
That's discrimination, pal. Think about it.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

If they help with offsetting the harms caused by religion, I will appreciate their help, but that doesn't mean I should sugar coat how foolish I think they are being for contributing to both the problem and the solution at the same time. Perhaps they should stop pouring acid on themselves BEFORE they start pouring the baking soda on the burn.

The causes are tribalism and xenophobia, not religion. You'd know this if you'd bother to learn about human nature instead of regurgitating Imgur comments.

So the constant votes for the same politicans pushing those policies coming from the most religious districts sounds like one giant coincidence to you, huh?

[Kubra]

Fortunately abusive nuns, while a staple of the RCC, aren't a necessary piece of it's theology and can eventually be done away with.

Yet the scars remain, often quite literally. It is often an "intergenerational trauma", a practice handed down by generations who are not educated in gentler manners of discipline. And, as I can attest, it fucks your kids up.
As you can imagine, some folks are not content with letting the dead bury the dead.

[Shofercia]

Politicians like Trump: abuse religion to further secular goals and self-promotion

This is ridiculous. By what standard, if any, do we get to decide what is an "abuse" of religion and what is religion's own fault?

At some point you look at what correlates with its popularity geographically and realize that whatever goals you think it had in theory, if "getting Trump elected" wasn't one of 'em, it has some pretty severe side-effects.

And now I know that you're not being serious. Talking about how hot your daughter is, while promoting family values... I mean do I have to explain everything to you?

[Diarcesia]

This is a shameful and terrifying statistic.

That is, if it's true!

[Shofercia]

The causes are tribalism and xenophobia, not religion. You'd know this if you'd bother to learn about human nature instead of regurgitating Imgur comments.

So the constant votes for the same politicans pushing those policies coming from the most religious districts sounds like one giant coincidence to you, huh?

Probably because most Americans vote on the basis of economy, and not on the basis of religion. If only we had the evidence: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... -election/

With the country in the midst of a recession, nearly eight-in-ten registered voters (79%) say the economy will be very important to them in making their decision about who to vote for in the 2020 presidential election – the top issue of 12 included in the survey.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

So the constant votes for the same politicans pushing those policies coming from the most religious districts sounds like one giant coincidence to you, huh?

Probably because most Americans vote on the basis of economy, and not on the basis of religion. If only we had the evidence: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 ... -election/

With the country in the midst of a recession, nearly eight-in-ten registered voters (79%) say the economy will be very important to them in making their decision about who to vote for in the 2020 presidential election – the top issue of 12 included in the survey.

Respondents don't always tell the truth. If it's about the economy, why did Trump win the GOP Primary while Sanders lost the Dem one?

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

us politcs seems a bit off topic, but maybe it's just me.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Not all the world is like the USA. For instance, in Europe, poor people can vote for socialists. You know, parties that actually care about their financial position, instead of just saying they will maybe get round to it by the end of next year (like the Democrats in the USA do.)

Yeah, and TYT calls corporate Democrats' economic progressivism half-measures but somehow people around these parts aren't big fans.

The Bible is hardly the only religious (set of) document(s) in the world. Religion is not equal to Christianity and Christianity is not equal to religion. And that isn't even mentioning the vast divergence of interpretations of that Bible. I'll grant you that Biblical interpretation is a cosm - as is theology in general- but a microcosm?

The only other comparably mainstream religion, Islam, has its own set of problems these days. If among the religious, the less-harmful religions didn't catch their attention, that doesn't speak well of the religious, does it?

And LGBTQ people are free to choose wichever of these religious beliefs suits them (or more than one, or none at all), and to which degree. When you say that I should reject my religion just because of my sexual orientation,

I mean, I think people should reject religion anyway. But I would've thought the Bible condemning you over the way you were born even though it harms no one else would've given you a head start on wondering what else it could be wrong about.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

us politcs seems a bit off topic, but maybe it's just me.

...I suppose we should've at least taken a step back and asked TSRS what he/she thinks of this tangent.

What do you think, TSRS?