1 Mosque Built, 1 Christian Monument Destroyed Every 2 Weeks

[Shofercia]

interesting fake-sounding-statement, but more importantly, how many guillotines are built and palaces vandalized in modern france?

even if this was true, certainly there are many more churches than mosques in france? title seems misleading.

Actually, France abolished the death penalty 40 years ago, and of course the government cares much more for non-religious historical sites.

Thing is, unless the government cares for all historical sites, enforcement isn't going to be as effective as possible, as it promotes the "if you don't care about my historical site, why should I give a fuck about yours?" mentality.

[Vassenor]

This is a shameful and terrifying statistic.

And entirely fabricated, as you'd know if you read the rest of the thread.

[Insaanistan]

This is a shameful and terrifying statistic.

It’s also not true at all. Building a mosque was always difficult in France and recently it’s only gotten harder.

[Hirota]

So your evidence for vandalism rather than accident is what, exactly?

It's very odd how the actual organization this guy works for, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux does not actually have any analysis to back up this claim

In fact, searching their site for the word "mosquée" (mosque in french) doesn't come up with anyything more recent than 2013, and many of those don't even deal with France.

Hm
I wonder where this data came from

I found this website which does a decent job of trying to catalogue them. It looks like it goes as far back as December 2016. I don't think there are 108 documented instances of vandalism/arson to the level of destroying a religious building.

(If you are curious how I reached 108, there is 1621 days between today (BST) and the 1st December 2016. 1621 divided by 15 is a little over 108)

But this gentleman is also including "demolitions and transformations" in his numbers, which would not imply malice per se. He also includes collapse, which also would not imply malice, but rather neglect.

The original source talks about 15000 odd active Catholic sites in France in total. Last December there were apparently 2623 mosques in France. Assuming a rate of one less active Catholic site through malicious and non-malicious means and one more mosque per 15 days, then the number of mosques will overtake the declining number of active catholic sites somewhere in 2275.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather hope we would outgrow quaint notions of sky fairies by that time.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Actually, France abolished the death penalty 40 years ago, and of course the government cares much more for non-religious historical sites.

Thing is, unless the government cares for all historical sites, enforcement isn't going to be as effective as possible, as it promotes the "if you don't care about my historical site, why should I give a fuck about yours?" mentality.

On the other hand, perhaps if EVERY religious building gets burned down, perhaps LGBTQ activists, abortion patients, Sunday workers, and people waiting on cures from stem cell research can get together to have beautiful dance parties on the ashes of religion.

We can dream, can't we?

[Lady Victory]

So your evidence for vandalism rather than accident is what, exactly?

It's very odd how the actual organization this guy works for, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux does not actually have any analysis to back up this claim

In fact, searching their site for the word "mosquée" (mosque in french) doesn't come up with anyything more recent than 2013, and many of those don't even deal with France.

Hm
I wonder where this data came from

I found this website which does a decent job of trying to catalogue them. It looks like it goes as far back as December 2016. I don't think there are 108 documented instances of vandalism/arson to the level of destroying a religious building.

(If you are curious how I reached 108, there is 1621 days between today (BST) and the 1st December 2016. 1621 divided by 15 is a little over 108)

But this gentleman is also including "demolitions and transformations" in his numbers, which would not imply malice per se. He also includes collapse, which also would not imply malice, but rather neglect.

The original source talks about 15000 odd active Catholic sites in France in total. Last December there were apparently 2623 mosques in France. Assuming a rate of one less active Catholic site through malicious and non-malicious means and one more mosque per 15 days, then the number of mosques will overtake the declining number of active catholic sites somewhere in 2275.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather hope we would outgrow quaint notions of sky fairies by that time.

I like how you just felt the need to throw in an unwarranted jab at religious folk. Very cool, my man.

[Y-ap]

Thing is, unless the government cares for all historical sites, enforcement isn't going to be as effective as possible, as it promotes the "if you don't care about my historical site, why should I give a fuck about yours?" mentality.

On the other hand, perhaps if EVERY religious building gets burned down, perhaps LGBTQ activists, abortion patients, Sunday workers, and people waiting on cures from stem cell research can get together to have beautiful dance parties on the ashes of religion.

We can dream, can't we?

LGBTQ people can be religious too. You may want to stop categorising them by one innate characteristic only.
We are intersectional human beings, and as such, we are a very diverse group with lots of different outlooks on both the physical and metaphysical.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I found this website which does a decent job of trying to catalogue them. It looks like it goes as far back as December 2016. I don't think there are 108 documented instances of vandalism/arson to the level of destroying a religious building.

(If you are curious how I reached 108, there is 1621 days between today (BST) and the 1st December 2016. 1621 divided by 15 is a little over 108)

But this gentleman is also including "demolitions and transformations" in his numbers, which would not imply malice per se. He also includes collapse, which also would not imply malice, but rather neglect.

The original source talks about 15000 odd active Catholic sites in France in total. Last December there were apparently 2623 mosques in France. Assuming a rate of one less active Catholic site through malicious and non-malicious means and one more mosque per 15 days, then the number of mosques will overtake the declining number of active catholic sites somewhere in 2275.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather hope we would outgrow quaint notions of sky fairies by that time.

I like how you just felt the need to throw in an unwarranted jab at religious folk. Very cool, my man.

Religion: *Sets a precedent in sheer magnitude of willful ignorance and pride therein that paves the way for politicians like Trump.*

Anti-theists: Ugh, this is ridiculous.

Religion-apologists: Hey! Rude!

[Lady Victory]

Thing is, unless the government cares for all historical sites, enforcement isn't going to be as effective as possible, as it promotes the "if you don't care about my historical site, why should I give a fuck about yours?" mentality.

On the other hand, perhaps if EVERY religious building gets burned down, perhaps LGBTQ activists, abortion patients, Sunday workers, and people waiting on cures from stem cell research can get together to have beautiful dance parties on the ashes of religion.

We can dream, can't we?

I'd much rather dance on the ashes of bigotry like this tbh.

You realize most of tge groups you described consistent of religious people, yes? No, of course you didn't. Because "religion bad" and the facts don't matter to you.

[Vassenor]

I like how you just felt the need to throw in an unwarranted jab at religious folk. Very cool, my man.

Religion: *Sets a precedent in sheer magnitude of willful ignorance and pride therein that paves the way for politicians like Trump.*

Anti-theists: Ugh, this is ridiculous.

Religion-apologists: Hey! Rude!

I mean this is going to happen when you go in to any thread vaguely about religion and demand that all religion everywhere be destroyed.

This isnt early 4chan. We aren't really big on radical Atheism and fedora tipping here.

[Hirota]

I found this website which does a decent job of trying to catalogue them. It looks like it goes as far back as December 2016. I don't think there are 108 documented instances of vandalism/arson to the level of destroying a religious building.

(If you are curious how I reached 108, there is 1621 days between today (BST) and the 1st December 2016. 1621 divided by 15 is a little over 108)

But this gentleman is also including "demolitions and transformations" in his numbers, which would not imply malice per se. He also includes collapse, which also would not imply malice, but rather neglect.

The original source talks about 15000 odd active Catholic sites in France in total. Last December there were apparently 2623 mosques in France. Assuming a rate of one less active Catholic site through malicious and non-malicious means and one more mosque per 15 days, then the number of mosques will overtake the declining number of active catholic sites somewhere in 2275.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather hope we would outgrow quaint notions of sky fairies by that time.

I like how you just felt the need to throw in an unwarranted jab at religious folk. Very cool, my man.

They included égalité in the French motto, what's more equal than laughing at all the religions. And I'm confident I'll happily continue to do so, regardless of if you offer your approval or not.

[Lady Victory]

I like how you just felt the need to throw in an unwarranted jab at religious folk. Very cool, my man.

Religion: *Sets a precedent in sheer magnitude of willful ignorance and pride therein that paves the way for politicians like Trump.*

Anti-theists: Ugh, this is ridiculous.

Religion-apologists: Hey! Rude!

I like how the go-to criticism for anti-theists is to claim religion is ignorant, only for them to then turn around and spout ignorant shit about religion.

Look in the mirror sometime, my friend.

[Kubra]

Religion: *Sets a precedent in sheer magnitude of willful ignorance and pride therein that paves the way for politicians like Trump.*

Anti-theists: Ugh, this is ridiculous.

Religion-apologists: Hey! Rude!

I mean this is going to happen when you go in to any thread vaguely about religion and demand that all religion everywhere be destroyed.

This isnt early 4chan. We aren't really big on radical Atheism and fedora tipping here.

You aren't perhaps, but some of us are simply predisposed to schadenfreude regarding that particular church.

[Grand Proudhonia]

This sounds a lot like faith baiting to me

[Washington Resistance Army]

Religion: *Sets a precedent in sheer magnitude of willful ignorance and pride therein that paves the way for politicians like Trump.*

Anti-theists: Ugh, this is ridiculous.

Religion-apologists: Hey! Rude!

I like how the go-to criticism for anti-theists is to claim religion is ignorant, only for them to then turn around and spout ignorant shit about religion.

Look in the mirror sometime, my friend.

It's always fun to point out that the Big Bang theory and other such things were thought up by deeply religious people.

[The Sovereign Realist State]

This is a shameful and terrifying statistic.

And entirely fabricated, as you'd know if you read the rest of the thread.

There are those who deal with reality ...and then there are those who try to force the narrative to conform to their wishful thinking:

Les églises, victimes d'un inquiétant vandalisme
https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-franc ... alisme.php

Anti-Christian Attacks in France Rose 285 Percent Since 2008
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2020/07 ... ince-2008/

Anti-christian vandalism is on the rise ...as is Islam in France.

If you want to close your eyes, that is up to you but don't deny reality just because you can't cope with it.

[Lady Victory]

I like how you just felt the need to throw in an unwarranted jab at religious folk. Very cool, my man.

They included égalité in the French motto, what's more equal than laughing at all the religions. And I'm confident I'll happily continue to do so, regardless of if you offer your approval or not.

You are perfectly free to post petty bait, just as I am perfectly free to call you out on it.

Freedom of Speech is truly a wonderful thing, isn't it?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

One catholic church disappears every 2 weeks? Explain to me how they aren't all gone yet at this point.

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

interesting fake-sounding-statement, but more importantly, how many guillotines are built and palaces vandalized in modern france?

even if this was true, certainly there are many more churches than mosques in france? title seems misleading.

Can we not give the French those ideas?

it's like the renaissance, inspiration from the past or something, we can make giant razors trendy again

interesting fake-sounding-statement, but more importantly, how many guillotines are built and palaces vandalized in modern france?

even if this was true, certainly there are many more churches than mosques in france? title seems misleading.

Actually, France abolished the death penalty 40 years ago, and of course the government cares much more for non-religious historical sites.

cool for the first, second is not very plus ultra

[Y-ap]

I like how you just felt the need to throw in an unwarranted jab at religious folk. Very cool, my man.

Religion: *Sets a precedent in sheer magnitude of willful ignorance and pride therein that paves the way for politicians like Trump.*

Anti-theists: Ugh, this is ridiculous.

Religion-apologists: Hey! Rude!

Religion: enriches the world with rules on how to live in harmony with one another

Politicians like Trump: abuse religion to further secular goals and self-promotion

Anti-theists: judge every religious person by the behaviour of not particularly religious men like Trump

Actually religious people: point out the flaw in that comparison, and suggest a more respectful way to discuss the difference of opinion

Anti-theists: accuse religious people of ignorance and pride, missing a giant case of projection.

[Kowani]

So your evidence for vandalism rather than accident is what, exactly?

It's very odd how the actual organization this guy works for, the Observatoire du Patrimoine Religieux does not actually have any analysis to back up this claim

In fact, searching their site for the word "mosquée" (mosque in french) doesn't come up with anyything more recent than 2013, and many of those don't even deal with France.

Hm
I wonder where this data came from

I found this website which does a decent job of trying to catalogue them. It looks like it goes as far back as December 2016. I don't think there are 108 documented instances of vandalism/arson to the level of destroying a religious building.

(If you are curious how I reached 108, there is 1621 days between today (BST) and the 1st December 2016. 1621 divided by 15 is a little over 108)

But this gentleman is also including "demolitions and transformations" in his numbers, which would not imply malice per se. He also includes collapse, which also would not imply malice, but rather neglect.

The original source talks about 15000 odd active Catholic sites in France in total. Last December there were apparently 2623 mosques in France. Assuming a rate of one less active Catholic site through malicious and non-malicious means and one more mosque per 15 days, then the number of mosques will overtake the declining number of active catholic sites somewhere in 2275.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather hope we would outgrow quaint notions of sky fairies by that time.

I would doubt it as well,
while i don't want to go through all of their examples, and this isn't the usual rigor I'd like to use, a quick eyeball at their map puts it at around 26 incidents of arson
i almost certainly undercounted, but that's a sufficient margin to where I feel comfortable saying that 108 number isn't based in reality

[GuessTheAltAccount]

LGBTQ people can be religious too.

Yeah, and poor people can be Republicans. They're still playing right into the hands of those working against them.

You may want to stop categorising them by one innate characterictic only.

That characteristic is a microcosm of the flawed judgment of the authors of the Bible.

We are intersectional human beings, and as such, we are a very diverse group with lost of different outlooks on both the physical and metaphysical.

Doesn't matter. You're still legitimizing the same flawed belief system.

[Grand Proudhonia]

The radical atheists are really at it today, huh?

[Wink Wonk We Like Stonks]

And entirely fabricated, as you'd know if you read the rest of the thread.

There are those who deal with reality ...and then there are those who try to force the narrative to conform to their wishful thinking:

Les églises, victimes d'un inquiétant vandalisme
https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-franc ... alisme.php

Anti-Christian Attacks in France Rose 285 Percent Since 2008
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2020/07 ... ince-2008/

Anti-christian vandalism is on the rise ...as is Islam in France.

If you want to close your eyes, that is up to you but don't deny reality just because you can't cope with it.

i'm not a theology major or anything, but it's pretty clear that the largest "threat" to Christianity in europe is atheism

[Vassenor]

LGBTQ people can be religious too.

Yeah, and poor people can be Republicans. They're still playing right into the hands of those working against them.

You may want to stop categorising them by one innate characterictic only.

That characteristic is a microcosm of the flawed judgment of the authors of the Bible.

We are intersectional human beings, and as such, we are a very diverse group with lost of different outlooks on both the physical and metaphysical.

Doesn't matter. You're still legitimizing the same flawed belief system.

Ironically you're acting more like a religious preacher at this point, demanding blind agreement with your rhetoric from everyone else.