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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat May 08, 2021 4:36 am

Austreylia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Can we also ban them from wearing sponsored clothing?

I mean it's also sending a message when wearing sponsored clothing. You could argue that wearing a Nike shoes means a protest against Adidas ones.

No.

I'd love a ban on sponsored clothing, but wearing a certain brand or having a sponsors logo plastered across a sports jacket is hardly as inflammatory as wearing some ridiculous BLM slogan.


Not really, BLM wants my time, energy and money for a social cause. Nike and Adidas want my money for their "social" cause, the pockets of their shareholders.

And also, wearing such clothing is a clear endorsement of child labour. And if that isn't inflammatory, then I don't know what is.
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Postby Austreylia » Sat May 08, 2021 4:41 am

Dakini wrote:Not sure how believing that black lives matter is ridiculous or inflammatory. I mean, unless a person believes that black people's lives don't matter, it is a perfectly sensible statement.

Not when BLM have been the cause of the violent riots seen for the past slightly-over-a-year.

The Blaatschapen wrote:And also, wearing such clothing is a clear endorsement of child labour. And if that isn't inflammatory, then I don't know what is.

Thats not really the case at all.

Half of my clothes are probably made via child labour or inhumane labour, but it doesn't mean that I endorse it.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sat May 08, 2021 4:44 am

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Dakini wrote:Not sure how believing that black lives matter is ridiculous or inflammatory. I mean, unless a person believes that black people's lives don't matter, it is a perfectly sensible statement.

Not when BLM have been the cause of the violent riots seen for the past slightly-over-a-year.

The Blaatschapen wrote:And also, wearing such clothing is a clear endorsement of child labour. And if that isn't inflammatory, then I don't know what is.

Thats not really the case at all.

Half of my clothes are probably made via child labour or inhumane labour, but it doesn't mean that I endorse it.


Well, sports figures tend to get paid by the manufacturer. You, on the other hand, pay the manufacturer.

So they get sponsored. Which is a wholly different thing.

I am not blaming you, nor me, for wearing child labour clothes, it's hard to know which clothes are and aren't and the local market might not provide otherwise.
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Postby Romextly » Sat May 08, 2021 4:50 am

It's in the rules. Whether we like it or not, we folow the rules. We could try changing it, but I think it's better like this. I just want to watch sports. I get enough politiciezed sports at the NBA and other US sports.

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Postby Austreylia » Sat May 08, 2021 4:55 am

Political Geography wrote:You endorse it the next time you buy one of those brands.

No, I don't.

How do you want me to buy clothes? I can only wear specific types, as the brands that claim to be completely, 100% ethical usually cost over the odds.
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Postby Dakini » Sat May 08, 2021 5:04 am

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Dakini wrote:Not sure how believing that black lives matter is ridiculous or inflammatory. I mean, unless a person believes that black people's lives don't matter, it is a perfectly sensible statement.

Not when BLM have been the cause of the violent riots seen for the past slightly-over-a-year.

BLM has been initiated a number of mostly peaceful demonstrations across the world. Even in the USA where police brutality at protests is notoriously bad, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful and the remaining were mostly peaceful until the police initiated violence against the protesters.

I attended a very peaceful and Covid-compliant BLM protest last year and such demonstrations were not rare.

Again, I do not see how the statement "Black lives matter" can be inflammatory for anyone other than those who do not thin that black people and their lives matter.

The Blaatschapen wrote:And also, wearing such clothing is a clear endorsement of child labour. And if that isn't inflammatory, then I don't know what is.

Thats not really the case at all.

Half of my clothes are probably made via child labour or inhumane labour, but it doesn't mean that I endorse it.

Doesn't it though? Also, athletes are usually sponsored by these brands, which is a bit different than just buying an item and wearing it.
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Postby Austreylia » Sat May 08, 2021 5:11 am

Dakini wrote:BLM has been initiated a number of mostly peaceful demonstrations across the world. Even in the USA where police brutality at protests is notoriously bad, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful and the remaining were mostly peaceful until the police initiated violence against the protesters.

I attended a very peaceful and Covid-compliant BLM protest last year and such demonstrations were not rare.

Again, I do not see how the statement "Black lives matter" can be inflammatory for anyone other than those who do not thin that black people and their lives matter.

So I suppose the police were totally responsible for billions in damage caused by arson, vandalism and burglary.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 08, 2021 5:16 am

Austreylia wrote:
Dakini wrote:Not sure how believing that black lives matter is ridiculous or inflammatory. I mean, unless a person believes that black people's lives don't matter, it is a perfectly sensible statement.

Not when BLM have been the cause of the violent riots seen for the past slightly-over-a-year.

The Blaatschapen wrote:And also, wearing such clothing is a clear endorsement of child labour. And if that isn't inflammatory, then I don't know what is.

Thats not really the case at all.

Half of my clothes are probably made via child labour or inhumane labour, but it doesn't mean that I endorse it.


TIL BLM made the police attack them.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 08, 2021 5:16 am

I assume that other political campaigning is banned, so it's not like they're discriminating against BLM.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 08, 2021 5:20 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:I assume that other political campaigning is banned, so it's not like they're discriminating against BLM.


TIL that the lives of Black people being important too is political.
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Postby Austreylia » Sat May 08, 2021 5:22 am

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SD_Film Artists wrote:I assume that other political campaigning is banned, so it's not like they're discriminating against BLM.


TIL that the lives of Black people being important too is political.

I think the political part isn't "black lives matter" as in an objective phrase, but when it references the organisation that was responsible for crimes such as arson, burglary, vandalism, murder and so on.
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Postby Dakini » Sat May 08, 2021 5:23 am

Austreylia wrote:
Dakini wrote:BLM has been initiated a number of mostly peaceful demonstrations across the world. Even in the USA where police brutality at protests is notoriously bad, 93% of BLM protests were peaceful and the remaining were mostly peaceful until the police initiated violence against the protesters.

I attended a very peaceful and Covid-compliant BLM protest last year and such demonstrations were not rare.

Again, I do not see how the statement "Black lives matter" can be inflammatory for anyone other than those who do not thin that black people and their lives matter.

So I suppose the police were totally responsible for billions in damage caused by arson, vandalism and burglary.

If the police facilitated protests instead of attacking protesters then they would have had a much better outcome, yes.

I mean, the protesters weren't the ones teargassing and macing children who were just passing by protests either.
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Postby Dakini » Sat May 08, 2021 5:24 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:I assume that other political campaigning is banned, so it's not like they're discriminating against BLM.

Yeah, this is a long-standing policy with the Olympics. I don't entirely agree with it, but it's not new.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 08, 2021 5:25 am

Austreylia wrote:
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TIL that the lives of Black people being important too is political.

I think the political part isn't "black lives matter" as in an objective phrase, but when it references the organisation that was responsible for crimes such as arson, burglary, vandalism, murder and so on.


That, and generally the ACAB crowd.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 08, 2021 5:26 am

Dakini wrote:
Austreylia wrote:So I suppose the police were totally responsible for billions in damage caused by arson, vandalism and burglary.

If the police facilitated protests instead of attacking protesters then they would have had a much better outcome, yes.

I mean, the protesters weren't the ones teargassing and macing children who were just passing by protests either.


Or dragging random people from their cars and beating them just for being near the protests.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat May 08, 2021 5:26 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:I assume that other political campaigning is banned, so it's not like they're discriminating against BLM.

Exactly, and whether they like it or not, BLM is a political movement with political goals, and to be honest, there is more to it than black people's lives have value. The Olympics isn't a political forum.
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Postby Austreylia » Sat May 08, 2021 5:27 am

Dakini wrote:If the police facilitated protests instead of attacking protesters then they would have had a much better outcome, yes.

I mean, the protesters weren't the ones teargassing and macing children who were just passing by protests either.

I really don't care what you say; rioters weren't forced to commit acts of arson or to steal things.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 08, 2021 5:29 am

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SD_Film Artists wrote:I assume that other political campaigning is banned, so it's not like they're discriminating against BLM.

Exactly, and whether they like it or not, BLM is a political movement with political goals, and to be honest, there is more to it than black people's lives have value. The Olympics isn't a political forum.


So what is it about if it's not "black people are equal in value to everyone else"?
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Austreylia wrote:
Dakini wrote:If the police facilitated protests instead of attacking protesters then they would have had a much better outcome, yes.

I mean, the protesters weren't the ones teargassing and macing children who were just passing by protests either.

I really don't care what you say; rioters weren't forced to commit acts of arson or to steal things.


Remember, you should just stand there and take it when the police tear gas and beat you for speaking out against them.
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Postby Romextly » Sat May 08, 2021 5:31 am

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Austreylia wrote:I really don't care what you say; rioters weren't forced to commit acts of arson or to steal things.


Remember, you should just stand there and take it when the police tear gas and beat you for speaking out against them.

No. You do more protest. Just like how MLK did it

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Postby Austreylia » Sat May 08, 2021 5:35 am

Vassenor wrote:Remember, you should just stand there and take it when the police tear gas and beat you for speaking out against them.

So, you think that they should just start looting and vandalising businesses...?

What a stupid thing to say.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 08, 2021 5:43 am

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Remember, you should just stand there and take it when the police tear gas and beat you for speaking out against them.

No. You do more protest. Just like how MLK did it


The same MLK who accepted that eventually rioting becomes necessary if the people in power do not listen to you?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 08, 2021 5:47 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a step in the right direction. There shouldn’t be any protests at the Olympics. The Olympics are about promoting international cooperation, sporting excellence, sportsmanship, and nationalism. It’s not really an appropriate venue to politicize and disrupt.

If the Olympics are about nationalism then they are already political and are a perfectly suitable venue for protest.

This is a perfect example of how "apolitical" is used to mean "reflecting only my politics".

A BLM protest in Tokyo also wouldn’t make sense. The issues are in the USA, not Japan. If you’re willing to try and ruin/disrupt the games for millions of international viewers and athletes, it doesn’t reflect well on the movement.

Did you know that Americans will be competing in the Olympics?


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The Blaatschapen wrote:Can we also ban them from wearing sponsored clothing?

I mean it's also sending a message when wearing sponsored clothing. You could argue that wearing a Nike shoes means a protest against Adidas ones.

No.

I'd love a ban on sponsored clothing, but wearing a certain brand or having a sponsors logo plastered across a sports jacket is hardly as inflammatory as wearing some ridiculous BLM slogan.

Which is really only a statement about how you accept the politics around Nike as normal but are offended by the politics around BLM.


SD_Film Artists wrote:I assume that other political campaigning is banned, so it's not like they're discriminating against BLM.

Well, let us think about how that rule is applied. Was it apolitical for North Macedonia to be billed as "former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia" in past games? Clearly not. The IOC should have banned themselves from the games for making this political protest.


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TIL that the lives of Black people being important too is political.

I think the political part isn't "black lives matter" as in an objective phrase, but when it references the organisation that was responsible for crimes such as arson, burglary, vandalism, murder and so on.

Many of the countries that will be competing in the Olympics are responsible for far worse crimes. What's the dollar value on the damage the United States has done to fellow competitors Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Postby Romextly » Sat May 08, 2021 5:48 am

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Romextly wrote:No. You do more protest. Just like how MLK did it


The same MLK who accepted that eventually rioting becomes necessary if the people in power do not listen to you?

You mean this quote?
“a riot is the language of the unheard.”

And he condemned the society, one that was truly a systematic racist one because of the Jim Crow laws. But what he really meant was that radical change had to be pursued non-violently. Why do you think so many people are opposed to BLM? Their marxist founders? Partly. The statesment that was only recently removed from their site that they wanted to destriy the core family? Partly. But most are shocked at the rioting and looting. It doesn't help their cause and and further people away from them.

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Postby Hoyerlay » Sat May 08, 2021 5:51 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a step in the right direction. There shouldn’t be any protests at the Olympics. The Olympics are about promoting international cooperation, sporting excellence, sportsmanship, and nationalism. It’s not really an appropriate venue to politicize and disrupt.

A BLM protest in Tokyo also wouldn’t make sense. The issues are in the USA, not Japan. If you’re willing to try and ruin/disrupt the games for millions of international viewers and athletes, it doesn’t reflect well on the movement.


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