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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat May 08, 2021 6:03 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Exactly, and whether they like it or not, BLM is a political movement with political goals, and to be honest, there is more to it than black people's lives have value. The Olympics isn't a political forum.


So what is it about if it's not "black people are equal in value to everyone else"?


You assume that BLM have a monopoly on that. Here's another shocker; parties with 'people's' in the name don't always have 100% of the vote. Also every political party wants the best for [insert country].
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Postby Neu California » Sat May 08, 2021 6:10 am

Romextly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The same MLK who accepted that eventually rioting becomes necessary if the people in power do not listen to you?

You mean this quote?
“a riot is the language of the unheard.”

And he condemned the society, one that was truly a systematic racist one because of the Jim Crow laws. But what he really meant was that radical change had to be pursued non-violently. Why do you think so many people are opposed to BLM? Their marxist founders? Partly. The statesment that was only recently removed from their site that they wanted to destriy the core family? Partly. But most are shocked at the rioting and looting. It doesn't help their cause and and further people away from them.

It's a lot more complicated than that

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He never condemned riots, and his views on them were complicated. It annoys me how people treat MLK as a moderate, when he was actually quite radical. Not saying you're treating him that way, just a general statement
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 08, 2021 6:18 am

Romextly wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The same MLK who accepted that eventually rioting becomes necessary if the people in power do not listen to you?

You mean this quote?
“a riot is the language of the unheard.”

And he condemned the society, one that was truly a systematic racist one because of the Jim Crow laws. But what he really meant was that radical change had to be pursued non-violently. Why do you think so many people are opposed to BLM? Their marxist founders? Partly. The statesment that was only recently removed from their site that they wanted to destriy the core family? Partly. But most are shocked at the rioting and looting. It doesn't help their cause and and further people away from them.

Those of us old enough to have been politically aware in the distant past of 2016 will recall the shock and horror people experienced at the outrageous sight of a football player sitting quietly through the American national anthem, and then even worse, kneeling! People don't really care about rioting and arson and burglary, no more than they care about the myriad other crimes that are happening all over America and around the world all the time, just like they didn't really care about Colin Kaepernick. What they're mad about is being made to see the racial injustice in American society, they're mad that the hidden tension has been made visible, just like they were mad at King and condemned him as an extremist.
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Postby Dakini » Sat May 08, 2021 6:20 am

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Dakini wrote:If the police facilitated protests instead of attacking protesters then they would have had a much better outcome, yes.

I mean, the protesters weren't the ones teargassing and macing children who were just passing by protests either.


Or dragging random people from their cars and beating them just for being near the protests.

iirc, they were also outright rolling up in unmarked vans and abducting people off the streets in some places too.

And shooting people in the face with teargas canisters and the like.
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Postby Dakini » Sat May 08, 2021 6:21 am

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Dakini wrote:If the police facilitated protests instead of attacking protesters then they would have had a much better outcome, yes.

I mean, the protesters weren't the ones teargassing and macing children who were just passing by protests either.

I really don't care what you say; rioters weren't forced to commit acts of arson or to steal things.

The police weren't forced to beat people and blind them, but they did.

Personally, I take assault and abuse of power more seriously than property damage.

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Postby Neu California » Sat May 08, 2021 6:22 am

Political Geography wrote:
Romextly wrote:You mean this quote?

And he condemned the society, one that was truly a systematic racist one because of the Jim Crow laws. But what he really meant was that radical change had to be pursued non-violently. Why do you think so many people are opposed to BLM? Their marxist founders? Partly. The statesment that was only recently removed from their site that they wanted to destriy the core family? Partly. But most are shocked at the rioting and looting. It doesn't help their cause and and further people away from them.


This is good.

Ideally, demonstrators would train up and find co-operative police, to obstruct, identify or arrest rioters. That wouldn't always be possible, but in some places protesters would be well enough organized that they could guarantee safe passage to the police, for the purposes of arresting people who are filling up petrol bombs or intimidating passers-by.

Possibly protesters would split into two groups, pro-rioter and pro-police, but having common cause I expect they would just call protests at different places or times to avoid conflict with each other. Preventing half the possible riots would be better than nothing.

Why would police co-operate, when so many of them are probably happy to see BLM tarred with the rioting brush? Well maybe they wouldn't. But they'd have less reason NOT to if a handful of rioters were the only opposition they had to worry about, in what must be a very ambiguous crime scene to them now.

Quite a few rioters were arrested, generally after leaving the scene. That gives me some hope that protesters informed on them at least.

Pro-police protesters at anti-police brutality protests?

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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Sat May 08, 2021 7:48 am

Good. BLM has no place in the Olympics.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 08, 2021 7:49 am

The Land of the Ephyral wrote:Good. BLM has no place in the Olympics.

Pretty much a guarantee that this rule will be broken.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat May 08, 2021 7:51 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Based Japan

These people think their movement is so riotous that it should have exceptions to blanket political bans, so yes, I agree. There's no doubt a good reason why politics are banned from the Olympics.
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Sat May 08, 2021 7:51 am

Ifreann wrote:Pretty much a guarantee that this rule will be broken.


Oh it absolutely will. This is nothing compared to other laws they've broken. I just support the statement itself.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat May 08, 2021 7:52 am

Austreylia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Can we also ban them from wearing sponsored clothing?

I mean it's also sending a message when wearing sponsored clothing. You could argue that wearing a Nike shoes means a protest against Adidas ones.

No.

I'd love a ban on sponsored clothing, but wearing a certain brand or having a sponsors logo plastered across a sports jacket is hardly as inflammatory as wearing some ridiculous BLM slogan.


"Proudly sponsored by BLM clothing INC"

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Postby North Sonovia » Sat May 08, 2021 7:54 am

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The Lone Alliance wrote:Furthermore which Black Lives? Because there's a whole lot of Black Lives in Africa suffering under worse conditions than the US, and for them Black Lives Matter is a first world problem.

The police in the US might be bad but they aren't sending kill teams to the ghettos to round up every black Male to conscript them into the police force while kidnapping their children to raise them up to be part of the SWAT team.

Sometimes Americans need to realize that their problems aren't the center of the world.


Oh boy, is this the "other people have it worse, so shut up you crybabies" take?

Lemme get the popcorn...

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat May 08, 2021 7:54 am

Austreylia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Can we also ban them from wearing sponsored clothing?

I mean it's also sending a message when wearing sponsored clothing. You could argue that wearing a Nike shoes means a protest against Adidas ones.

No.

I'd love a ban on sponsored clothing, but wearing a certain brand or having a sponsors logo plastered across a sports jacket is hardly as inflammatory as wearing some ridiculous BLM slogan.


Uhh...like a good reason for BLM's existence is to be a marketing stunt for Nike.
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The Land of the Ephyral wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pretty much a guarantee that this rule will be broken.


Oh it absolutely will. This is nothing compared to other laws they've broken. I just support the statement itself.

I have noticed that some people care deeply about the rules, even when they are impotent.
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Austreylia wrote:No.

I'd love a ban on sponsored clothing, but wearing a certain brand or having a sponsors logo plastered across a sports jacket is hardly as inflammatory as wearing some ridiculous BLM slogan.


Uhh...like a good reason for BLM's existence is to be a marketing stunt for Nike.

That is a pretty questionable claim right there.

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Ifreann wrote:I have noticed that some people care deeply about the rules, even when they are impotent.


The proof will be in the pudding then. It's one thing to ban the clothing, but if they don't enforce it, then it doesn't mean anything. It's whether they will have the courage to do that. BLM need almost no provocation to lose their minds, and with almost every mainstream media outlet, institution, and Western government kowtowing to their rhetoric, it'll be in the face of a lot of hostility if this ban is to be upheld.

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Haven't any of you all seen that famous photograph of the two black athletes on the podium raising their fists? You realize the people who opposed that are decisively on the wrong side of history now, don't you?
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The Land of the Ephyral wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I have noticed that some people care deeply about the rules, even when they are impotent.


The proof will be in the pudding then. It's one thing to ban the clothing, but if they don't enforce it, then it doesn't mean anything. It's whether they will have the courage to do that. BLM need almost no provocation to lose their minds, and with almost every mainstream media outlet, institution, and Western government kowtowing to their rhetoric, it'll be in the face of a lot of hostility if this ban is to be upheld.


I dunno man. Japan doesn't really give a fuck about the sensibilities of American criminals.
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The Land of the Ephyral wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I have noticed that some people care deeply about the rules, even when they are impotent.


The proof will be in the pudding then. It's one thing to ban the clothing, but if they don't enforce it, then it doesn't mean anything. It's whether they will have the courage to do that. BLM need almost no provocation to lose their minds, and with almost every mainstream media outlet, institution, and Western government kowtowing to their rhetoric, it'll be in the face of a lot of hostility if this ban is to be upheld.


TIL that being systematically murdered by the police is almost no provocation.
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The Land of the Ephyral wrote:
The proof will be in the pudding then. It's one thing to ban the clothing, but if they don't enforce it, then it doesn't mean anything. It's whether they will have the courage to do that. BLM need almost no provocation to lose their minds, and with almost every mainstream media outlet, institution, and Western government kowtowing to their rhetoric, it'll be in the face of a lot of hostility if this ban is to be upheld.


TIL that being systematically murdered by the police is almost no provocation.


Who is being systematically murdered?
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Austreylia wrote:
Political Geography wrote:You endorse it the next time you buy one of those brands.

No, I don't.

How do you want me to buy clothes? I can only wear specific types, as the brands that claim to be completely, 100% ethical usually cost over the odds.


The fact that you already know your clothes are made by slaves, yet still buy them is literally an endorsement of slavery.

The whole "but clothes not made by slaves are so expensive" or "but then I would have to do research" excuses are just that - excuses.
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Page wrote:Haven't any of you all seen that famous photograph of the two black athletes on the podium raising their fists? You realize the people who opposed that are decisively on the wrong side of history now, don't you?


I call that the right side of history.

Bear Stearns wrote:I dunno man. Japan doesn't really give a fuck about the sensibilities of American criminals.


True enough. They do have limits though as to how far they're willing to push things though. That fellow who made the "Olympig" comments resigned.

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Page wrote:TIL that being systematically murdered by the police is almost no provocation.


That's not even happening.

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