by The Opinions Guy » Fri May 07, 2021 5:21 pm
Pro: Freedom of Speech, Democracy, Universal Healthcare, LGBTQ+ Rights, BLM, Feminism, Choice, Conservation, Nuclear Power, UN, Pacifism, Secularism, Atheism, Internationalism, Monarchy, Cosmopolitanism
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by The Axis of Death » Fri May 07, 2021 5:27 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Fri May 07, 2021 5:28 pm
by Nakena » Fri May 07, 2021 5:29 pm
by The Axis of Death » Fri May 07, 2021 5:32 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a step in the right direction. There shouldn’t be any protests at the Olympics. The Olympics are about promoting international cooperation, sporting excellence, sportsmanship, and nationalism. It’s not really an appropriate venue to politicize and disrupt.
Infected Mushroom wrote:A BLM protest in Tokyo also wouldn’t make sense. The issues are in the USA, not Japan. If you’re willing to try and ruin/disrupt the games for millions of international viewers and athletes, it doesn’t reflect well on the movement.
by Latorik » Fri May 07, 2021 5:36 pm
by New Antarcticania » Fri May 07, 2021 5:43 pm
The move upholds the Olympics' Rule 50, which addresses the 'demonstration or political, religious or racial propaganda' on the playing field, at the medal stand or during the Games' official ceremonies.
by The Saucer Pilots » Fri May 07, 2021 5:45 pm
by Great Algerstonia » Fri May 07, 2021 6:02 pm
The Axis of Death wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:This is a step in the right direction. There shouldn’t be any protests at the Olympics. The Olympics are about promoting international cooperation, sporting excellence, sportsmanship, and nationalism. It’s not really an appropriate venue to politicize and disrupt.
"International cooperation" does not justify suppression of free speech.Infected Mushroom wrote:A BLM protest in Tokyo also wouldn’t make sense. The issues are in the USA, not Japan. If you’re willing to try and ruin/disrupt the games for millions of international viewers and athletes, it doesn’t reflect well on the movement.
They banned all political protest, not just BLM protesting. Also, just because the protest happened in a place that wasn't the US doesn't mean it won't be seen by Americans. And I don't see how advocating for equality would "ruin" the games.
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by Japan and Pacific States » Fri May 07, 2021 6:08 pm
The Axis of Death wrote:The IOC is an unelected, corrupt group of elites. They can do whatever the hell they feel like with no repercussions. This is incredibly stupid.
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by Idzequitch » Fri May 07, 2021 6:13 pm
by Great Algerstonia » Fri May 07, 2021 6:20 pm
Idzequitch wrote:While I agree that the Olympics is not the place for political statements, the error here is assuming that the idea of black lives mattering is a political one. Black individuals are not a policy up for debate. They are people, and valued participants in the Olympic Games. While political avenues are being taken to try to ensure the fair treatment of black people, the issue is not, at its base, a political one. It's a humanitarian issue, and one that holds far more inportance than any of the games at the Olympics. There comes a time when we must stop worrying about avoiding controversy, and just try to be decent human beings. This is one of those times.
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by The Lone Alliance » Fri May 07, 2021 6:40 pm
Great Algerstonia wrote:Idzequitch wrote:While I agree that the Olympics is not the place for political statements, the error here is assuming that the idea of black lives mattering is a political one. Black individuals are not a policy up for debate. They are people, and valued participants in the Olympic Games. While political avenues are being taken to try to ensure the fair treatment of black people, the issue is not, at its base, a political one. It's a humanitarian issue, and one that holds far more inportance than any of the games at the Olympics. There comes a time when we must stop worrying about avoiding controversy, and just try to be decent human beings. This is one of those times.
Black lives matter and the Olympics already know it, and the Olympics doesn't need to have American social movements broadcasted into it. Politics/social in sports always becomes a mess.
by American Pere Housh » Fri May 07, 2021 7:03 pm
The Opinions Guy wrote:"The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has reaffirmed its decision to ban any sort of political, social or ideological protest at the upcoming Tokyo Games. That means taking a knee, raising a fist or wearing apparel that says Black Lives Matter will not be permitted and athletes will face punishments if they break the rules. Athletes in loads of different sports around the world have been donning the BLM phrase on t-shirts, armbands and other pieces of clothing before, during or after matches and games. Some, particularly in America, have also been taking a knee during the national anthem to protest against police brutality."
Source: https://www.sportbible.com/australia/news-athletes-banned-from-wearing-black-lives-matter-clothing-at-olympics-20210505
Now time for my biased opinion: Really? I feel like the IOC is just trying to enflame people or bring attention to the Olympics, cause this is stupid. They SPECIFICALLY state that BLM clothing and symbols are banned, then try to justify it by referencing some long-forgotten rule that hasn't been used in decades. What say you, NSG?
by The Reformed American Republic » Fri May 07, 2021 7:06 pm
Great Algerstonia wrote:The Axis of Death wrote:"International cooperation" does not justify suppression of free speech.
They banned all political protest, not just BLM protesting. Also, just because the protest happened in a place that wasn't the US doesn't mean it won't be seen by Americans. And I don't see how advocating for equality would "ruin" the games.
Because then the DPRK would declare reunification and start a shitshow. Israeli-Middle East games would devolve into fistfights. There would be shouting matches between pro and anti-EU fans. It's literal precedent to ban all political symbols and speeches at the Olympics, and it's because it's for entertainment, not politics. Olympics banning BLM symbolism is nothing new nor unordinary.
by Lady Victory » Fri May 07, 2021 7:12 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:Great Algerstonia wrote:Black lives matter and the Olympics already know it, and the Olympics doesn't need to have American social movements broadcasted into it. Politics/social in sports always becomes a mess.
Furthermore which Black Lives? Because there's a whole lot of Black Lives in Africa suffering under worse conditions than the US, and for them Black Lives Matter is a first world problem.
The police in the US might be bad but they aren't sending kill teams to the ghettos to round up every black Male to conscript them into the police force while kidnapping their children to raise them up to be part of the SWAT team.
Sometimes Americans need to realize that their problems aren't the center of the world.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri May 07, 2021 7:15 pm
by Mountains and Volcanoes » Fri May 07, 2021 7:19 pm
Lady Victory wrote:The Lone Alliance wrote:Furthermore which Black Lives? Because there's a whole lot of Black Lives in Africa suffering under worse conditions than the US, and for them Black Lives Matter is a first world problem.
The police in the US might be bad but they aren't sending kill teams to the ghettos to round up every black Male to conscript them into the police force while kidnapping their children to raise them up to be part of the SWAT team.
Sometimes Americans need to realize that their problems aren't the center of the world.
Oh boy, is this the "other people have it worse, so shut up you crybabies" take?
Lemme get the popcorn...
by 503 » Fri May 07, 2021 7:21 pm
by Mountains and Volcanoes » Fri May 07, 2021 7:23 pm
The Opinions Guy wrote:"The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has reaffirmed its decision to ban any sort of political, social or ideological protest at the upcoming Tokyo Games. That means taking a knee, raising a fist or wearing apparel that says Black Lives Matter will not be permitted and athletes will face punishments if they break the rules. Athletes in loads of different sports around the world have been donning the BLM phrase on t-shirts, armbands and other pieces of clothing before, during or after matches and games. Some, particularly in America, have also been taking a knee during the national anthem to protest against police brutality."
Source: https://www.sportbible.com/australia/news-athletes-banned-from-wearing-black-lives-matter-clothing-at-olympics-20210505
Now time for my biased opinion: Really? I feel like the IOC is just trying to enflame people or bring attention to the Olympics, cause this is stupid. They SPECIFICALLY state that BLM clothing and symbols are banned, then try to justify it by referencing some long-forgotten rule that hasn't been used in decades. What say you, NSG?
by Reploid Productions » Fri May 07, 2021 7:24 pm
American Pere Housh wrote:The IOC did the right thing as BLM Inc. are nothing but terrorists.
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by Senkaku » Fri May 07, 2021 7:29 pm
by Mountains and Volcanoes » Fri May 07, 2021 7:30 pm
Great Algerstonia wrote:The Axis of Death wrote:"International cooperation" does not justify suppression of free speech.
They banned all political protest, not just BLM protesting. Also, just because the protest happened in a place that wasn't the US doesn't mean it won't be seen by Americans. And I don't see how advocating for equality would "ruin" the games.
Because then the DPRK would declare reunification and start a shitshow. Israeli-Middle East games would devolve into fistfights. There would be shouting matches between pro and anti-EU fans. It's literal precedent to ban all political symbols and speeches at the Olympics, and it's because it's for entertainment, not politics. Olympics banning BLM symbolism is nothing new nor unordinary.
by Drew Durrnil » Fri May 07, 2021 7:33 pm
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