French Mosque Set on Fire as Soldiers Threaten Coup

[The Alma Mater]

I've yet to realize that France, and some (goodness forbid) Western European countries aren't so "immigrant friendly" i mean, those guys from the middle east fled their own war torn homeland in order to find new life on European soil, only to be greeted with a barrage of unacceptance and discrimination?

While it is unfair to paint all muslims with the same brush; it is sadly true that the most visible and vocal groups of muslims in western Europe are... how does one put it... "not an advertisement for Islam".

As I have mentioned in the IDT numerous times good muslims need to make themselves more visible to counterbalance the bad ones.
Again: unfair. But that is how humans work.

[Nakena]

I've yet to realize that France, and some (goodness forbid) Western European countries aren't so "immigrant friendly" i mean, those guys from the middle east fled their own war torn homeland in order to find new life on European soil, only to be greeted with a barrage of unacceptance and discrimination?

Their lives are almost hopeless, and, being a Muslim myself, the actions that the man who burned said mosque
are appalling, indeed, and i saw that some other European countries' governments do accept Muslim people to settle on their lands, but their people aren't happy with their government's decision, like Norway's 2011 terrorist attack on an island (i can't remember that incident's name).

So, are the guys that burned down the mosque to blame, or is it the Muslims to blame?

No. Most moslems in france aren't exactly new arrivals, immigrants or refugees. They are the descendants from mostly north african moslems the french authorities imported during the mid 20th century as they needed more manpower. A lot of them remained in france and their descendants never got properly part of french society and quite a few ended up becomming a new, disconnected, disenfranchised underclass. De-jure french but not necessarily connected to larger french culture and separated through religious, social and ethnic lines.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This is fucked up.

[Braul]

Minority-bashing is often a sign of people being fed up with the status quo - more so if the status quo includes a combination of
1. Growing income disparity (yellow vests anyone?)
2. Volatile economic development (crisis after crisis, like first you have a bank crash - 2008 - and then a climate crisis, en then a COVID crisis, and so on...)
3. Ever the same policies (Europe makes laws, France follows said laws no matter who the French vote into power)

Unpopular opinion: Emmanuel Macron is Marie-Antoinette.

[The British Continuation Government]

Minority-bashing is often a sign of people being fed up with the status quo - more so if the status quo includes a combination of
1. Growing income disparity (yellow vests anyone?)
2. Volatile economic development (crisis after crisis, like first you have a bank crash - 2008 - and then a climate crisis, en then a COVID crisis, and so on...)
3. Ever the same policies (Europe makes laws, France follows said laws no matter who the French vote into power)

Unpopular opinion: Emmanuel Macron is Marie-Antoinette.

I wonder what his "Let them eat cake" moment will be?

[Nakena]

France is rapidly approaching the point I have always been telling you that would come. When liberal society gets in defensive mode and realized they are confronted wth something that is, for their worldview, an "out of context" problem. Something they didn really understood, something their worldview cannot explain them as it is something that cannot be. Because according to their ideology nobody could seriously reject the idea of being living in and embracing an progressive liberal society. When they realize this actually may be the case, they will all turn towards radical and extreme measures and get more nasty than even the most reactionary would go.

Because the true reactionary knows well about Islam and the differences between different ethnicies. He or she isnt surprised when they manifest. The progressive liberal on the other hand, is in denial and then in shock when the reality becomes unavoidable.

Thats why Macron is becoming more anti-islam than LePen.

[North Sonovia]

And most of which were also zones of unrest and conflict. The majority of the Muslim world was not, in fact, banned. In fact, the majority of the Muslim world isn't even Arab. You know what the largest (most populously Muslim) Muslim country in the world actually is? Indonesia. Notice how this country is not actually on the list.

Indonesians aren’t and weren’t exactly flocking to the US. Syrians were. Even when he banned non-Muslim majority countries, sometimes it would affect the Muslims mostly: Myanmar is Buddhist majority, but guess which religious group is trying to escape genocide there?

Just going to clarify that he's referring to the Rohingya Muslims, in case there's anyone here who isn't very involved with global news.

[SD_Film Artists]

https://youtu.be/xhS98ycN6R4

"The French minister of the armed forces is looking to identify the signatories" Isn't clarifying one's identity the whole point of a signature?

[Nakena]

https://youtu.be/xhS98ycN6R4

"The French minister of the armed forces is looking to identify the signatories" Isn't clarifying one's identity the whole point of a signature?

Translated: We're going to slide and sink the thing by applying unnecessarily complicated processes to the investigation, until media attention has died out.

[Insaanistan]

Indonesians aren’t and weren’t exactly flocking to the US. Syrians were. Even when he banned non-Muslim majority countries, sometimes it would affect the Muslims mostly: Myanmar is Buddhist majority, but guess which religious group is trying to escape genocide there?

Just going to clarify that he's referring to the Rohingya Muslims, in case there's anyone here who isn't very involved with global news.

Thanks, mate.

[Diarcesia]

This comes a week after a mosque in Rennes was defaced with graffiti reading “No Islamization!”, “Wake up, France!” and “We warned you, immigration kills!”, the last one most clearly in reference to the killing of a police woman by a Tunisian immigrant.

Perpetrators: "I'm a law-abiding and peaceful citizen of France. Look what you made me do because of all these immigrants!"

Yeah, abusive language much.

[SD_Film Artists]

https://youtu.be/xhS98ycN6R4

"The French minister of the armed forces is looking to identify the signatories" Isn't clarifying one's identity the whole point of a signature?

Translated: We're going to slide and sink the thing by applying unnecessarily complicated processes to the investigation, until media attention has died out.

Likely that.

[The Reformed American Republic]

France is rapidly approaching the point I have always been telling you that would come. When liberal society gets in defensive mode and realized they are confronted wth something that is, for their worldview, an "out of context" problem. Something they didn really understood, something their worldview cannot explain them as it is something that cannot be. Because according to their ideology nobody could seriously reject the idea of being living in and embracing an progressive liberal society. When they realize this actually may be the case, they will all turn towards radical and extreme measures and get more nasty than even the most reactionary would go.

Because the true reactionary knows well about Islam and the differences between different ethnicies. He or she isnt surprised when they manifest. The progressive liberal on the other hand, is in denial and then in shock when the reality becomes unavoidable.

Thats why Macron is becoming more anti-islam than LePen.

Liberalism is a weak and ineffective ideology.

[The Lone Alliance]

France is rapidly approaching the point I have always been telling you that would come. When liberal society gets in defensive mode and realized they are confronted wth something that is, for their worldview, an "out of context" problem. Something they didn really understood, something their worldview cannot explain them as it is something that cannot be. Because according to their ideology nobody could seriously reject the idea of being living in and embracing an progressive liberal society. When they realize this actually may be the case, they will all turn towards radical and extreme measures and get more nasty than even the most reactionary would go.

Because the true reactionary knows well about Islam and the differences between different ethnicies. He or she isnt surprised when they manifest. The progressive liberal on the other hand, is in denial and then in shock when the reality becomes unavoidable.

Thats why Macron is becoming more anti-islam than LePen.

That's ultimately the problem with most of the current cultural movements in the west, there's a mistaken belief that you can simply correct everyone through education and social engineering, and when that doesn't work you simply pressure them to conform to the social engineering harder. It's cultural Imperialism but unlike past cases of cultural Imperialism it has no teeth outside of possibly cultural ruination and social isolation, which doesn't work if said person isn't part of the culture in the first place.

[Madrinpoor]

Wow. This is what I see happening if a French coup is attempted (unlikely to succeed, but maybe)

- EU collapses
- Russia walks all over Ukraine and nobody can do anything since France is gone, Germany needs Russia's gas and the UK doesn't want to be a part. Though US and Uk could potentially try and defend Ukraine.
- Massive protests/riots in France
- Countercoup plunging France into civil unrest (probably not civil war, but civil unrest)

[Risottia]

A French mosque was hit in an arson attack Tuesday in Albertville, France. Surveillance cameras recorded a man pouring gasoline all around it before setting it on fire. This comes a week after a mosque in Rennes was defaced with graffiti reading “No Islamization!”, “Wake up, France!” and “We warned you, immigration kills!”, the last one most clearly in reference to the killing of a police woman by a Tunisian immigrant.

Emmanuel Macron’s poll numbers have dipped and it’s perceived part of his strategy is to appeal to the Islamophobia of the nation’s citizens, especially with the far right. Recently, a letter signed by 20 retired general, a hundred senior officers, and 1000 soldiers called Muslims and Muslim immigrants a “horde” rather than “legitimate citizens”, and warned that if the government didn’t take more actions against Islam, the military would launch a coup d’état.

France has seen a sharp rise in anti-Muslim sentiment and policies, such as a new separatism bill banning anyone under 18 from wearing the hijab, mothers who wear hijab from accompanying their children on school trips, and Algerian flags from being flown in official government buildings.

Sources:
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/mosqu ... imes-46477 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 4oNmigD8Pf

20 retired generals aren't The Military of France.
It's almost as if you had a personal interest in spewing shit on France.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

The overthrow of liberal democracy and a rejection of the neoliberal status quo is necessary to preserve nations around the world from falling into chaos and disarray as global resources start running thin, large scale migrations take place, and the climate starts going downhill. France is no exception

[Vaspelia]

I support the funny far-right coup, if i knew what was the plan of the Retired Generals on what to do after they take Macron down: Who they are going to put into power?, Le Pen?; if, say, they take over the Metropole, how the Ultramar territories would react (how are their politics anyways?)?; they are pro or anti-EU?; they are going to make Erusea irl?.

[The Axis of Death]

It would be quite the gamble to try to coup France. Most likely the overwhelming majority of the army doesn't want a coup, and the right-wing nutters who do probably know it. Anyone considering joining up to the coup has to consider the risk of very harsh punishment if the coup fails, which it most likely will.

[Paddy O Fernature]

A French mosque was hit in an arson attack Tuesday in Albertville, France. Surveillance cameras recorded a man pouring gasoline all around it before setting it on fire. This comes a week after a mosque in Rennes was defaced with graffiti reading “No Islamization!”, “Wake up, France!” and “We warned you, immigration kills!”, the last one most clearly in reference to the killing of a police woman by a Tunisian immigrant.

Emmanuel Macron’s poll numbers have dipped and it’s perceived part of his strategy is to appeal to the Islamophobia of the nation’s citizens, especially with the far right. Recently, a letter signed by 20 retired general, a hundred senior officers, and 1000 soldiers called Muslims and Muslim immigrants a “horde” rather than “legitimate citizens”, and warned that if the government didn’t take more actions against Islam, the military would launch a coup d’état.

France has seen a sharp rise in anti-Muslim sentiment and policies, such as a new separatism bill banning anyone under 18 from wearing the hijab, mothers who wear hijab from accompanying their children on school trips, and Algerian flags from being flown in official government buildings.

Sources:
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/mosqu ... imes-46477 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 4oNmigD8Pf

20 retired generals aren't The Military of France.
It's almost as if you had a personal interest in spewing shit on France.

^ Pretty much this.

[Tsaivao]

It would be quite the gamble to try to coup France. Most likely the overwhelming majority of the army doesn't want a coup, and the right-wing nutters who do probably know it. Anyone considering joining up to the coup has to consider the risk of very harsh punishment if the coup fails, which it most likely will.

Not even mentioning the fact that most coup d'états usually don't work if you announce them prior...

[The Two Jerseys]

A French mosque was hit in an arson attack Tuesday in Albertville, France. Surveillance cameras recorded a man pouring gasoline all around it before setting it on fire. This comes a week after a mosque in Rennes was defaced with graffiti reading “No Islamization!”, “Wake up, France!” and “We warned you, immigration kills!”, the last one most clearly in reference to the killing of a police woman by a Tunisian immigrant.

Emmanuel Macron’s poll numbers have dipped and it’s perceived part of his strategy is to appeal to the Islamophobia of the nation’s citizens, especially with the far right. Recently, a letter signed by 20 retired general, a hundred senior officers, and 1000 soldiers called Muslims and Muslim immigrants a “horde” rather than “legitimate citizens”, and warned that if the government didn’t take more actions against Islam, the military would launch a coup d’état.

France has seen a sharp rise in anti-Muslim sentiment and policies, such as a new separatism bill banning anyone under 18 from wearing the hijab, mothers who wear hijab from accompanying their children on school trips, and Algerian flags from being flown in official government buildings.

Sources:
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/mosqu ... imes-46477 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 4oNmigD8Pf

20 retired generals aren't The Military of France.
It's almost as if you had a personal interest in spewing shit on France.

Even if we're being generous and assuming that everyone who signed that letterwas on active duty, that's still less than 1% of the military.

Now, as for how a bunch of retirees expect to launch a coup using a military that they have no command authority over after they've publicized the fact that they intend to launch a coup...

[Senkaku]

The overthrow of liberal democracy and a rejection of the neoliberal status quo is necessary to preserve nations around the world from falling into chaos and disarray as global resources start running thin, large scale migrations take place, and the climate starts going downhill. France is no exception

That isn’t “necessary preservation” lmfao you’re just advocating for the next stage of a political articulation of societal collapse because you’re too busy slobbering over masturbatory fantasies of state-mandated violence against your enemies and too blinkered by capitalist realism to conceive of even attempting to avert resource depletion, mass displacement, and climate disaster

[The Reformed American Republic]

France never been that left-wing on social issues.

Good.

[Neanderthaland]

A far right coup? In FRANCE,!?! That's like the most left wing country in Europe! Suppose you can only go one way for so long before something makes you snap back in the opposite direction. I'm going to be really intrested to see what happens if those guys take power. I wonder if they will use the Vichy regime flag?

France has a long history of violently shifting from extreme to extreme. This is nothing new.

But I don't think I would describe France as "the most left wing country in Europe" under any circumstances. These are the people, after all, who launched a secret military attack on Greenpeace.