French Mosque Set on Fire as Soldiers Threaten Coup

[Kilobugya]

A French mosque was hit in an arson attack Tuesday in Albertville, France.

Sadly those things are happening more and more often

Hatred feeds hatred, especially when politicians are so eager to throw oil on the fire for purely electoral reasons.

And a very degraded social and economical context doesn't help. Hate crimes of all kind (against Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Tsiganes, LGBT, ...) are on the raise since decades, it's really a scary situation.

[Phenix Springs]

These poor people. They should be able to practise any religion they want, without fear of being killed.

Just wait until you hear about Christians and other religions in the Islamic Middle East.

Or women. They seem to have it pretty rough out there too.

[Insaanistan]

These poor people. They should be able to practise any religion they want, without fear of being killed.

Just wait until you hear about Christians and other religions in the Islamic Middle East.

Or women. They seem to have it pretty rough out there too.

Uhhh...
You don’t talk to many Middle Easterners, do you?

[Kilobugya]

I wonder if the French people feel safer now, knowing that they could be living under a military dictatorship soon.

I don't think the risk of a "hard" military dictatorship, like Pinochet like like Myammar, is real.

But a constant, slow but steady, erosion of individual and political freedom, increase of police brutality, and oppression of minorities, yes, that's already happening and I fear it'll only get worse in the next few years.

[Kilobugya]

France actually has a strong right-wing. Le Pen only lost by a narrow margin.

In 2017 she lost 33% against 66% for Macron, that's not a "narrow margin". But that won't happen again.

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The saddest part is that the far-right will be the CAUSE of radicalization. Make Muslims feel like second class citizens, unwelcome, isolated, they become an insular community. And people are rightfully angry and then Islamist propagandists and recruiters take advantage.

The blood of the next terror attack to hit France will be on the hands of people like Marie Le Pen and her fascist supporters.

[Phenix Springs]

Just wait until you hear about Christians and other religions in the Islamic Middle East.

Or women. They seem to have it pretty rough out there too.

Uhhh...
You don’t talk to many Middle Easterners, do you?

Considering that there are laws that discriminate against religions other than Islam, and that just a few days ago a women was gunned down for refusing to marry someone, and a boy was freed from prison despite stabbing his sister to death for showing her face online, it really doesn’t matter who I talk to.

[Kilobugya]

A far right coup? In FRANCE,!?! That's like the most left wing country in Europe!

France might have been one of the left-wing country on economical issues for a while, especially when the PCF was at or above 20% and the CGT had the ability to paralyze the whole country at will. But sadly those days are gone, and France never been that left-wing on social issues.

[Kilobugya]

The saddest part is that the far-right will be the CAUSE of radicalization. Make Muslims feel like second class citizens, unwelcome, isolated, they become an insular community. And people are rightfully angry and then Islamist propagandists and recruiters take advantage.

The blood of the next terror attack to hit France will be on the hands of people like Marie Le Pen and her fascist supporters.

Indeed, that's what I've been saying for years. The haters of both sides, the far-right that hates Muslims and the islamists who hate non-Muslims both feed each other in a spiral of violence. The politicians throwing oil on the fire for electoral gains and the media who love sensatianolism and fear-mongering because it attracts clicks/views have their share of responsibility in the disaster, too.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I have a guardian article i came across that mentions them facing a court but it now requires you to register so you can only read the first paragraph

Just open the link in Private Browsing.

The armed forces chief of staff, Gen François Lecointre, said each soldier would go before a senior military council and could be “de-listed” or “put into immediate retirement”. Hervé Grandjean, the defence ministry spokesman, said on Thursday that by “openly criticising the government or appealing to comrades to take up arms on national territory”, the signatories had clearly broken military rules.

I... didnt know that worked.

Sweet, cool run-around.

[Insaanistan]

Uhhh...
You don’t talk to many Middle Easterners, do you?

Considering that there are laws that discriminate against religions other than Islam, and that just a few days ago a women was gunned down for refusing to marry someone, and a boy was freed from prison despite stabbing his sister to death for showing her face online, it really doesn’t matter who I talk to.

I feel like you think the entire Middle East is just Iran and Saudi. I also feel like you think isolated incident constitute the entire situation.
Is the Middle East 100% egalitarian and free? No.
Is it a monolith of oppression and sexism? No.

[Ifreann]

Just open the link in Private Browsing.

The armed forces chief of staff, Gen François Lecointre, said each soldier would go before a senior military council and could be “de-listed” or “put into immediate retirement”. Hervé Grandjean, the defence ministry spokesman, said on Thursday that by “openly criticising the government or appealing to comrades to take up arms on national territory”, the signatories had clearly broken military rules.

I... didnt know that worked.

Sweet, cool run-around.

It works for sites that allow a few free articles a month, because private browsing modes block the trackers that tell them when you've gone over that limit.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

These poor people. They should be able to practise any religion they want, without fear of being killed.

Just wait until you hear about Christians and other religions in the Islamic Middle East.

Or women. They seem to have it pretty rough out there too.

Just wait till you hear about the people France killed in Algeria. You really wanna keep playing the whataboutism game cause it can go on all day.

[Brulave]

i mean, it's just 1000 troops, hopefully. Maybe i don't want to move to france.

[Kilobugya]

i mean, it's just 1000 troops, hopefully.

The army and the police in France have long been supporting the far right, that's nothing new. Post-elections studies show they supported Le Pen massively. Although that they dare to say it so openly is new and worrying.

[SD_Film Artists]

A far right coup? In FRANCE,!?! That's like the most left wing country in Europe! Suppose you can only go one way for so long before something makes you snap back in the opposite direction. I'm going to be really intrested to see what happens if those guys take power. I wonder if they will use the Vichy regime flag?

Financially left-wing, but in most other respects it's fairly reactionary. Having a Le Pen in 3rd or 2nd place has been all too common in elections.

This isn't particuarly related to the above point but I keep being surprised with how gun-happy the French authorities are. Their transport police walk around with full length rifles whereas in the UK you might perhaps see an MP5 if it was somewhere really important like Healthrow.

[Vassenor]

These poor people. They should be able to practise any religion they want, without fear of being killed.

Just wait until you hear about Christians and other religions in the Islamic Middle East.

Or women. They seem to have it pretty rough out there too.

Whataboutism is a hell of a drug.

[Kilobugya]

Financially left-wing, but in most other respects it's fairly reactionary. Having a Le Pen in 3rd or 2nd place has been all too common in elections.

We have a strong far-right since the 80s yeah. But it's a bit more complicated - a majority of the population supports things like LGBT rights, decriminalization of cannabis, right to end your life in dignity when sick, ... but we do have a majority of the population, especially those days, that is hostile to immigration, favors a more punitive approach of justice and support anti-Muslism laws. So it's more of a mixed bag in general than "fairly reactionary", but on immigration-related issues, it is

[Winiscia]

Just wait until you hear about Christians and other religions in the Islamic Middle East.

Or women. They seem to have it pretty rough out there too.

Uhhh...
You don’t talk to many Middle Easterners, do you?

Clearly not.

[SD_Film Artists]

Financially left-wing, but in most other respects it's fairly reactionary. Having a Le Pen in 3rd or 2nd place has been all too common in elections.

We have a strong far-right since the 80s yeah. But it's a bit more complicated - a majority of the population supports things like LGBT rights, decriminalization of cannabis, right to end your life in dignity when sick, ... but we do have a majority of the population, especially those days, that is hostile to immigration, favors a more punitive approach of justice and support anti-Muslism laws. So it's more of a mixed bag in general than "fairly reactionary", but on immigration-related issues, it is

France has had an interesting relationship with its cultural/nationalistic identity for decades. Playing amateur psychiatrist I'd say France had something to prove and thus went on a different path than Britain after the Suez Crisis; Britain could make movies about the Battle of Britain while quietly accepting the loss of the empire, whereas for France Austerlitz was long ago and thus in an increasingly anglophone world fought tooth and nail for Algeria and Indochina. In more modern times adverts on French TV have to have a certain amount of French in them lest the French kids become too anglicized. France is also significantly behind having English as a second language compared to Germany and Scandinavia. In short, France has become accustomed to fighting for its culture and thus it's not too much of a change to apply it to islamic immigration.

[Radictistan]

This isn't particuarly related to the above point but I keep being surprised with how gun-happy the French authorities are. Their transport police walk around with full length rifles whereas in the UK you might perhaps see an MP5 if it was somewhere really important like Healthrow.

Napoleon's tomb was like that when I went about two years ago, although the baggage check was extremely cursory. It makes me wonder if that's a sign of racial profiling.

[Vassenor]

A far right coup? In FRANCE,!?! That's like the most left wing country in Europe! Suppose you can only go one way for so long before something makes you snap back in the opposite direction. I'm going to be really intrested to see what happens if those guys take power. I wonder if they will use the Vichy regime flag?

Financially left-wing, but in most other respects it's fairly reactionary. Having a Le Pen in 3rd or 2nd place has been all too common in elections.

This isn't particuarly related to the above point but I keep being surprised with how gun-happy the French authorities are. Their transport police walk around with full length rifles whereas in the UK you might perhaps see an MP5 if it was somewhere really important like Healthrow.

I've repeatedly seen police with M4s at my local train station. And it's not even a major hub.

And airport police generally have G36s when I've seen them.

[Nakena]

France has set itself up the conditions for a nasty and ugly civil war in the near future. Its going to be very nasty.

[Immortan Khan]

That's a shame. Anyways...

I have a guardian article i came across that mentions them facing a court but it now requires you to register so you can only read the first paragraph

Since when did the Grauniad start having UK based peeps pay for their articles online?

[Talvezout]

france is aggressively weird towards judaism and islam so sadly this is nothing new