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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:10 pm

Being that the Afghan central government is a joke, the US and NATO should have divided Afghanistan by ethnic groups. This plan could still work.
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:11 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Being that the Afghan central government is a joke, the US and NATO should have divided Afghanistan by ethnic groups. This plan could still work.

I've seen that classic before. Where was it again? The former Yugoslavia? Yeah I can see it going swimmingly.

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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:14 pm

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Rio Cana wrote:Being that the Afghan central government is a joke, the US and NATO should have divided Afghanistan by ethnic groups. This plan could still work.

I've seen that classic before. Where was it again? The former Yugoslavia? Yeah I can see it going swimmingly.


Slovenia, Croatia, Northern Macedonia and the others including Serbia seem to be doing fine. With the possible exception of BH.
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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:17 pm

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Diarcesia wrote:I've seen that classic before. Where was it again? The former Yugoslavia? Yeah I can see it going swimmingly.


Slovenia, Croatia, Northern Macedonia and the others including Serbia seem to be doing fine. With the possible exception of BH.

I'm only not optimistic of the intervening 10-20 years before the hypothetical successor states of Afghanistan reach that status.

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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:18 pm

Damn gaslighting every woman right out of the gate as I said
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Postby P4rana » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:19 pm

terrorist groups will prob start to fight eachother lol

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Postby Diarcesia » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:35 pm

Chess Guys wrote:Damn gaslighting every woman right out of the gate as I said

With their track record during the 90s, I don't trust the Taliban as the governing authority in Afghanistan.

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Postby Philjia » Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:56 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Being that the Afghan central government is a joke, the US and NATO should have divided Afghanistan by ethnic groups. This plan could still work.

Balkanising would definitely have been the wrong move. Confederalisation might have been a more practical approach. It's all academic now, of course.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:20 pm

Chess Guys wrote:Damn gaslighting every woman right out of the gate as I said

Imagine continue to stan for the Taliban and deny the atrocities they committed despite the mountain of evidence.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:46 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:I've seen that classic before. Where was it again? The former Yugoslavia? Yeah I can see it going swimmingly.


Slovenia, Croatia, Northern Macedonia and the others including Serbia seem to be doing fine. With the possible exception of BH.

Serbia and Kosovo need to work out a few things but the Former Yugoslavia is far more peaceful than it was in the 90s.
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Postby Diahon » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:53 pm

So Canada's now arranging to accept 20 thousand Afghan migrants into its shores. Where's the United States in all of this?

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:57 pm

Diahon wrote:So Canada's now arranging to accept 20 thousand Afghan migrants into its shores. Where's the United States in all of this?


It is foolish what Canada is doing. The US position on this should be that they must not be allowed in.
I don't even believe the Vietnam refugees should've been admitted after Vietnam's loss.
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Postby Diahon » Fri Aug 13, 2021 5:58 pm

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Diahon wrote:So Canada's now arranging to accept 20 thousand Afghan migrants into its shores. Where's the United States in all of this?


It is foolish what Canada is doing. The US position on this should be that they must not be allowed in. I don't even believe the Vietnam refugees should've been admitted after Vietnam's loss.


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Postby New haven america » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:00 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Diahon wrote:So Canada's now arranging to accept 20 thousand Afghan migrants into its shores. Where's the United States in all of this?


It is foolish what Canada is doing. The US position on this should be that they must not be allowed in.
I don't even believe the Vietnam refugees should've been admitted after Vietnam's loss.

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Postby Jeriga » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:01 pm

Diahon wrote:So Canada's now arranging to accept 20 thousand Afghan migrants into its shores. Where's the United States in all of this?

Attempting to stop the bleeding we caused by pulling out. Leaving the Taliban in was far better than waging war for the last 20 years, killing over 250,000 civilians in a useless war.

This was just another Vietnam in terms of us winning the battles and losing the war.
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Postby Diahon » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:04 pm

Those fucking motherfuckers around 12 miles from Kabul proper now. Is Mazar-e-Sharif still free from those assholes?

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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:52 pm

This swift collapse was partially Biden's fault. He announced the withdrawal at the beginning of Spring or when fighting could best resume instead of pulling out during winter break. The USAF isn't doing enough to bomb Taliban offensives into submission whilst covering the retreat. Scorched earth should've been used.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:57 pm

Saiwania wrote:This swift collapse was partially Biden's fault. He announced the withdrawal at the beginning of Spring or when fighting could best resume instead of pulling out during winter break. The USAF isn't doing enough to bomb Taliban offensives into submission whilst covering the retreat. Scorched earth should've been used.


Actually Trump agreed to withdraw by May. The trumpists took pot shots at Biden saying he will keep the troops past may…….
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Postby Diahon » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:58 pm

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Saiwania wrote:This swift collapse was partially Biden's fault. He announced the withdrawal at the beginning of Spring or when fighting could best resume instead of pulling out during winter break. The USAF isn't doing enough to bomb Taliban offensives into submission whilst covering the retreat. Scorched earth should've been used.


Actually Trump agreed to withdraw by May. The trumpists took pot shots at Biden saying he will keep the troops past may…….


And then Biden withdrew the troops. He dìd this shit; he should fucking own it.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:04 pm

Diahon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Actually Trump agreed to withdraw by May. The trumpists took pot shots at Biden saying he will keep the troops past may…….


And then Biden withdrew the troops. He dìd this shit; he should fucking own it.

You want the US to spend another 20 years at war?

A war that mind you, would've ended in 2001/02 if Cheney and his puppet Bush weren't Cheney and Bush, as the Taliban did surrender.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:06 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Diahon wrote:So Canada's now arranging to accept 20 thousand Afghan migrants into its shores. Where's the United States in all of this?


It is foolish what Canada is doing. The US position on this should be that they must not be allowed in.
I don't even believe the Vietnam refugees should've been admitted after Vietnam's loss.


Interesting.

Well. My old boss was one those people. Wonderful man and the best boss I had for 20 years. Followed him through three companies. He came here with nothing (didn’t even speak the language) and retired wealthy. He is a rags to riches story. His daughters went on to do bigger things. One has already retired (at 24) and is going into music. The other is heading into medicine and is at one of the great universities. My boss was so good at his job (it manager/director) he could ask for out of budget requests and the companies said well if you think we need it then we do…..

I could ask what have you done for the country. However, that would make it personal……
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Postby Diahon » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:07 pm

New haven america wrote:
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And then Biden withdrew the troops. He dìd this shit; he should fucking own it.

You want the US to spend another 20 years at war?

A war that mind you, would've ended in 2001 if Cheney and his puppet Bush weren't Cheney and Bush, as the Taliban did surrender.


Do you want another 9/11 or not? Or, if you can give a fuck about them, do you want another generation of Afghans licking the Taliban's boots?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:09 pm

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New haven america wrote:You want the US to spend another 20 years at war?

A war that mind you, would've ended in 2001 if Cheney and his puppet Bush weren't Cheney and Bush, as the Taliban did surrender.


Do you want another 9/11 or not? Or, if you can give a fuck about them, do you want another generation of Afghans licking the Taliban's boots?


The Taliban did 9/11?

Our involvement was yet another case of Americans not looking into (probably not caring) the customs and culture of the people. We demanded Bin Laden; they would never have handed him over.
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Postby Latorik » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:10 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Diahon wrote:
Do you want another 9/11 or not? Or, if you can give a fuck about them, do you want another generation of Afghans licking the Taliban's boots?


The Taliban did 9/11?

Our involvement was yet another case of Americans not looking into (probably not caring) the customs and culture of the people. We demanded Bin Laden; they would never have handed him over.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:13 pm

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New haven america wrote:You want the US to spend another 20 years at war?

A war that mind you, would've ended in 2001 if Cheney and his puppet Bush weren't Cheney and Bush, as the Taliban did surrender.


1. Do you want another 9/11 or not? 2. Or, if you can give a fuck about them, do you want another generation of Afghans licking the Taliban's boots?

1. Taliban didn't cause 9/11, Al Qaeda did, the Taliban took in Al Qaeda as guests to hide out from the US. Also, Afghanistan isn't the only country the Taliban operate in as Pakistan is their main funder, where Osama went hiding, and they control most of Pakistani Pashtunistan. (Yeah, part of why Pakistan is so fond of the Taliban is because they keep Afghanistan in chaos so Afghanistan doesn't bug Pakistan about the 1/3 of Pashtunistan it "Controls", as well as keeping Afghanistan on India's bad side)
2. Not a generation, Taliban control in the nation only lasted ~2-4 years.
3. I do agree that leaving military installations was a bad idea though, as those things are important, but this war wasn't gonna end. The Taliban would just escape and regroup in Pakistan, receive more aid from them, and then try again, same shit they've been doing for 20 years.
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