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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:52 am

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Dowaesk wrote:Newsflash: Thats okay. Because we are the "true" Muslims. Shias and all the rest are "fake" Muslims.

(Intense and angry sarcasm intended)

Shia are generally not regarded as Muslims but we try to coexist because many just don't know better. In the situation here it was similar to Banu Qurayza though

What? No! Not at all. Banu Qurayza. The Jews were executed as per Jewish Law. And the trial of the Jews were done by a Jew. In the case of the Shias. You Salafi Jihadists, killed them for being Shia. It was genocide. May Allah have mercy on them.
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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:52 am

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Dowaesk wrote:Exactly. Logical reasoning. Logical reasoning. Taliban is not Hanafi. Taliban doesnt do reasoning whatsoever.

The rulings they use come from Hanafi jurists

Mullahs playing pretend Hanafi Jurists.
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:54 am

The Taliban aren't Salafis.

All classical rulings regard Shia as not Muslims except those who excuse laity for ignorance
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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:55 am

Chess Guys wrote:The Taliban aren't Salafis.

All classical rulings regard Shia as not Muslims except those who excuse laity for ignorance

Taliban and Salafis share a lot in common.
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:58 am

Well yeah sure from your perspective. You think the Quran is wrong when it says mushrikeen go to hell
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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:01 am

Chess Guys wrote:Well yeah sure from your perspective. You think the Quran is wrong when it says mushrikeen go to hell

Im Mushrikeen?
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Postby Picairn » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:01 am

Local Taliban supporter tries to justify mass murder by saying the victims weren't "real Muslims", news at 11
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:07 am

I'm talking about Hindus

Shia curse A'isha رضي الله عنها and call her a witch and a prostitute just because she grew up into a very outspoken and politically active jurist, so yeah they're considered not Muslims because the Quran forbids slandering her
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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:08 am

“There will be division and sectarianism in my nation, and a people will come with beautiful words and evil deeds. They will recite the Quran, but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target, and they will not return to it as the arrow does not return to its bow. They are the worst of the creation. Blessed are those who fight them and are killed by them. They call to the Book of Allah, but they have nothing to do with it. Whoever fights them is better to Allah than them.”
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What part of this hadith you dont get? This clearly talks about you people. Salalfi Jihadists.
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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:09 am

Chess Guys wrote:I'm talking about Hindus

Shia curse A'isha رضي الله عنها and call her a witch and a prostitute just because she grew up into a very outspoken and politically active jurist, so yeah they're considered not Muslims because the Quran forbids slandering her

Yes. I do not agree with Shia views on Aisha at all. But is that justification for mass genocide?
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Postby Christian Confederation » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:09 am

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:10 am

I guess NSG was due for this sort of thing, given some users we've had before.
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:12 am

It's clearly talking about Muslims who don't pray to shrines even though Muhammad ﷺ cursed those who build mosques on graves?
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:13 am

Dowaesk wrote:
Chess Guys wrote:I'm talking about Hindus

Shia curse A'isha رضي الله عنها and call her a witch and a prostitute just because she grew up into a very outspoken and politically active jurist, so yeah they're considered not Muslims because the Quran forbids slandering her

Yes. I do not agree with Shia views on Aisha at all. But is that justification for mass genocide?

That wasn't the case. The case was they were rebelling in addition to that
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Postby Kalle Nam » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:13 am

Dowaesk wrote:
Chess Guys wrote:Shia are generally not regarded as Muslims but we try to coexist because many just don't know better. In the situation here it was similar to Banu Qurayza though

What? No! Not at all. Banu Qurayza. The Jews were executed as per Jewish Law. And the trial of the Jews were done by a Jew. In the case of the Shias. You Salafi Jihadists, killed them for being Shia. It was genocide. May Allah have mercy on them.

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Postby Picairn » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:14 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:I guess NSG was due for this sort of thing, given some users we've had before.

You just had to make me remember unpleasant memories, aren't you?

Chess Guys wrote:I'm talking about Hindus

Shia curse A'isha رضي الله عنها and call her a witch and a prostitute just because she grew up into a very outspoken and politically active jurist, so yeah they're considered not Muslims because the Quran forbids slandering her

Why does that make mass murder okay? And are we even sure the Hazara victims shared the same view?
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:15 am

You can't eat meat slaughtered by Shia in Shari'ah. You can eat Kosher meat.
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:16 am

Picairn wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I guess NSG was due for this sort of thing, given some users we've had before.

You just had to make me remember unpleasant memories, aren't you?

Chess Guys wrote:I'm talking about Hindus

Shia curse A'isha رضي الله عنها and call her a witch and a prostitute just because she grew up into a very outspoken and politically active jurist, so yeah they're considered not Muslims because the Quran forbids slandering her

Why does that make mass murder okay? And are we even sure the Hazara victims shared the same view?

It's established of the people aren't Muslim and the situation could result on a breakdown of the state. Although it's moot because now the Taliban literally has Hazara commanders
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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:17 am

Chess Guys wrote:You can't eat meat slaughtered by Shia in Shari'ah. You can eat Kosher meat.

What? Bruh. This is utterly stupid.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:18 am

Chess Guys wrote:It's established of the people aren't Muslim and the situation could result on a breakdown of the state. Although it's moot because now the Taliban literally has Hazara commanders

Innocent civilians can result in a breakdown of the state how?

The last part is pure comedy, reminds me of the "I'm not racist because I have black friends!" trope.
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Postby Dowaesk » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:19 am

Picairn wrote:
Chess Guys wrote:It's established of the people aren't Muslim and the situation could result on a breakdown of the state. Although it's moot because now the Taliban literally has Hazara commanders

Innocent civilians can result in a breakdown of the state how?

The last part is pure comedy, reminds me of the "I'm not racist because I have black friends!" trope.

"I am not a murderer. I have friends who are alive"
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Postby Chess Guys » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:29 am

Picairn wrote:
Chess Guys wrote:It's established of the people aren't Muslim and the situation could result on a breakdown of the state. Although it's moot because now the Taliban literally has Hazara commanders

Innocent civilians can result in a breakdown of the state how?

The last part is pure comedy, reminds me of the "I'm not racist because I have black friends!" trope.

Uh yeah civil wars do generally entail execution of political prisoners. Unfortunate but fact of life. That's because they don't entail regular soldier civilian distinction generally, everyone male old enough to carry a gun is a potential combatant

We're talking about purged not just dislike. If the Taliban didn't harbor any animosity toward Shia I would question their faculties
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Postby Picairn » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:34 am

Chess Guys wrote:Uh yeah civil wars do generally entail execution of political prisoners. Unfortunate but fact of life. That's because they don't entail regular soldier civilian distinction generally, everyone male old enough to carry a gun is a potential combatant

You know that this is even worse, right? They were innocent civilians, not political prisoners. They weren't fighting the Taliban when they were rounded up and gunned down. The Taliban even killed delegations of Hazara elders in the middle of negotiations. That's treachery.
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:36 am

The only way of salvation for the patriotic soldiers of the Afghan government is to start the 28 February process as in Turkey. We secularists will not be crushed by your pro-shari'ah political Islamist policies.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:37 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:The only way of salvation for the patriotic soldiers of the Afghan government is to start the 28 February process as in Turkey. We secularists will not be crushed by your pro-shari'ah political Islamist policies.


They probably will be crushed in Afghanistan. Really the best thing we can do is just a non-stop aerial campaign over the country at this point.
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