Afghan Conflict: Russian Political Leader Meets With Massoud

[Chess Reloaded]

Kemalists are not Muslims generally, neither was Kemal, he was an explicit atheist. So I don't see your point. Turkey has offered to recognize the Taliban but only if they can lease the airport and have soldiers there which won't happen

First of all, review your historical knowledge. The great leader Mustafa Kemal Atatürk opened the Turkish Grand National Assembly by reciting the Quran. Nobody can question anybody's religion. The views of the Turkish government and the views of the Turkish nation are not in common. The pro-European social democrat Kemalists will not allow terrorist organizations in Europe. The only purpose of the Taliban is to handcuff the feet of European women, but do not forget the year 1923 ! 1000 years from now, we will continue to fight against political Islam. Social democrat Kemalists will defeat political Islam with the education sword of Europe because political Islam is a universal problem. Hayatta en hakiki mürşit ilimdir

Kemal reciting the Quran doesn't make him a Muslim anymore than quoting the Bible makes you a Christian. He considered himself an atheist

Turkey is definitely the most secular Muslim country BUT. But. They also take in more Muslim refugees than any country in the world, many extremely religious, الحمدلله. In a country where hijab was once uncommon, niqab is growing. And these new families, they're growing families, families of haqq and yaqeen.

[Diahon]

what lol, lonely terrorists with imaginary friends

[Kowani]

WHO says healthcare in Afghanistan on brink of collapse

[Insaanistan]

Armed Civilians in Khost Farang District Start Uprising, Chanting “Long the the Mujahideen, Long Live Ahmad Massoud”

[Chess Reloaded]

This resistance business is getting to be as bad as the Trump supporters talking about how he'll get back the election Biden won and stay in office after all

[Kargintinia]

Armed Civilians in Khost Farang District Start Uprising, Chanting “Long the the Mujahideen, Long Live Ahmad Massoud”

Source: Reddit

[Diahon]

This resistance business is getting to be as bad as the Trump supporters talking about how he'll get back the election Biden won and stay in office after all

except trump and the taliban are better off together, in scourging as in the depths of hell

[Fahran]

It's astounding to me that westerners can actually freely get information from people in Afghanistan in Kabul but opt for random allegations by people outside the country

Ah, yes. The largest self-proclaimed independent Afghan media outlet has no connection to Afghanistan whatsoever. It's simply a vile imperialist Zio-American ploy to discredit the humanitarian Taliban who would never ban women's education, prevent women from working, rape women, force women into unwilling marriages, etc. Simply disregard the last time they did all these things in a manner that can actually be statistically documented.

[Fahran]

That’s fascist but not communist. I’m against both fascism and communism by the way even though you could say I’m far-right.

Are you far-right for real?!

Given he's simping for the Taliban, yes.

[Fahran]

Hey when this issue is brought up with Islam it's labeled as a no true Scotsman. Curious

Says the guy openly defending the most extreme perspectives in Islam.

[Chess Reloaded]

It's astounding to me that westerners can actually freely get information from people in Afghanistan in Kabul but opt for random allegations by people outside the country

Ah, yes. The largest self-proclaimed independent Afghan media outlet has no connection to Afghanistan whatsoever. It's simply a vile imperialist Zio-American ploy to discredit the humanitarian Taliban who would never ban women's education, prevent women from working, rape women, force women into unwilling marriages, etc. Simply disregard the last time they did all these things in a manner that can actually be statistically documented.

Emphasis on self-proclaimed independence. They were founded under the American occupation with their patronage. Kind of like using a Vichy news source for France. But I was referencing the second article.

[Chess Reloaded]

Hey when this issue is brought up with Islam it's labeled as a no true Scotsman. Curious

Says the guy openly defending the most extreme perspectives in Islam.

What's Islamically extreme about any perspective I've defended?

[Fahran]

I would say outside the west in most Sunni countries the average practicing Muslim has a positive view of the Taliban. Probably also true in some western countries as well like the UK and France. و الله اعلم

This isn't even true in Afghanistan. In 2010, only nine percent of Afghans preferred the Taliban to the elected government, and, as we know, the elected government was never super popular, though Ghani did enjoy a brief surge prior to 2017. They enjoy the most support from Pakistan, which hovers around fifty five percent. They're notably less popular among Turks, Iranians, Egyptians, Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Bangladeshis. Essentially, support for the Taliban is a litmus test on how much of an extremist you are - since they're a touch more moderate than groups like ISIL.

[Fahran]

What's Islamically extreme about any perspective I've defended?

The fact that only a minority of Muslims anywhere throughout all of history have actually adhered to such a strict interpretation. This is a bit like me arguing that murdering gay people isn't an extreme approach to Judaism simply because some Haredim have gotten murder-happy with knives at pride parades. It's fundamentally dishonest. You support extremists. Just say it outright.

[Diarcesia]

Says the guy openly defending the most extreme perspectives in Islam.

What's Islamically extreme about any perspective I've defended?

And some people believe that it's not extreme to say that the King James Version is the only authoritative version of the Bible. Your point is?

[Fahran]

Emphasis on self-proclaimed independence. They were founded under the American occupation with their patronage. Kind of like using a Vichy news source for France. But I was referencing the second article.

The American occupation is hardly comparable to Vichy France. The French did not get to select their own leaders through largely democratic elections. The French did not get regular opinions polls where they could express approval or disapproval of various people and organizations. The fact that Afghans have not shown consistent positive views of the Taliban is in itself telling. Unless you're alleging that all evidence short of Baradar's talk is inadmissible in a conversation about Afghanistan?

[Fahran]

This resistance business is getting to be as bad as the Trump supporters talking about how he'll get back the election Biden won and stay in office after all

This doesn't even make sense. The NRF are attempting to retake Afghanistan in the same way that the Taliban did. Through violence.

[Diarcesia]

This resistance business is getting to be as bad as the Trump supporters talking about how he'll get back the election Biden won and stay in office after all

This doesn't even make sense. The NRF are attempting to retake Afghanistan in the same way that the Taliban did. Through violence.

According to Chess, it's bad if the resistance is against the Taliban.

[Chess Reloaded]

I would say outside the west in most Sunni countries the average practicing Muslim has a positive view of the Taliban. Probably also true in some western countries as well like the UK and France. و الله اعلم

This isn't even true in Afghanistan. In 2010, only nine percent of Afghans preferred the Taliban to the elected government, and, as we know, the elected government was never super popular, though Ghani did enjoy a brief surge prior to 2017. They enjoy the most support from Pakistan, which hovers around fifty five percent. They're notably less popular among Turks, Iranians, Egyptians, Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Bangladeshis. Essentially, support for the Taliban is a litmus test on how much of an extremist you are - since they're a touch more moderate than groups like ISIL.

ASCOR? You can't possibly be serious. Are you? This “Afghan” firm which collected the data is literally founded by D3 Systems, a Virginian firm. It's operated by Americans who put the Afghan flag on the company and furnished findings for the war

[Chess Reloaded]

This doesn't even make sense. The NRF are attempting to retake Afghanistan in the same way that the Taliban did. Through violence.

According to Chess, it's bad if the resistance is against the Taliban.

I'm not making any value judgement on their means, I'm saying playing it up is living in denial. All their leadership has fled the country

[Fahran]

Turkey is definitely the most secular Muslim country

Azerbaijan is a good deal more secular than Turkey. Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Tunisia might even beat out Turkey on being irreligious. Upwards of 90% of Turks believe in G-d. The idea that Turkey isn't a Muslim-majority country is insane, and I say that as someone who dated a secular Turk whose family were fierce supporters of Ataturk and who despised Erdogan for pandering to Islamists.

BUT. But. They also take in more Muslim refugees than any country in the world, many extremely religious, الحمدلله. In a country where hijab was once uncommon, niqab is growing. And these new families, they're growing families, families of haqq and yaqeen.

You do realize that the hijab was only ever uncommon in large western cities, right? And that a lot of this had to do with secularized Turks/Muslims and laws banning the wearing of headscarves in public institutions that were all but repealed in 2007. Turks aren't irreligious despite not being "good" Muslims on average - how they drink raki I'll never know. The stuff is gross.

[The Two Jerseys]

This isn't even true in Afghanistan. In 2010, only nine percent of Afghans preferred the Taliban to the elected government, and, as we know, the elected government was never super popular, though Ghani did enjoy a brief surge prior to 2017. They enjoy the most support from Pakistan, which hovers around fifty five percent. They're notably less popular among Turks, Iranians, Egyptians, Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Bangladeshis. Essentially, support for the Taliban is a litmus test on how much of an extremist you are - since they're a touch more moderate than groups like ISIL.

ASCOR? You can't possibly be serious. Are you? This “Afghan” firm which collected the data is literally founded by D3 Systems, a Virginian firm. It's operated by Americans who put the Afghan flag on the company and furnished findings for the war

This message has been brought to you by the Afghan News Network, which is an independent organization and totally not connected to the Taliban in any way, shape, or form...

[Fahran]

I'm not making any value judgement on their means, I'm saying playing it up is living in denial. All their leadership has fled the country

A lot of Taliban leaders fled the country as well at one point or another. The potential for a civil war will linger until resistance is decisively crushed. This is nowhere near the level that Trump and his ilk were on. They staged a single riot, forced an evacuation of the Capitol, and then milled around like tourists taking selfies and stealing mementos. There's been actual battles in Afghanistan.

[Kowani]

This resistance business is getting to be as bad as the Trump supporters talking about how he'll get back the election Biden won and stay in office after all

This doesn't even make sense. The NRF are attempting to retake Afghanistan in the same way that the Taliban did. Through violence.

that is not quite what he means
Chess means that the Taliban have won the war and the NRF is, for all intents and purposes, using people's desire that the Taliban could be overthrown to maintain a smokescreen when the facts don't support that being a plausible outcome

which is my view as well tbf

(mind you i think the trump supporters did actually come closer than the NRF will )

[Fahran]

ASCOR? You can't possibly be serious. Are you? This “Afghan” firm which collected the data is literally founded by D3 Systems, a Virginian firm. It's operated by Americans who put the Afghan flag on the company and furnished findings for the war

Do you have a reason, other than the parent company being American, to believe that their methodologies are flawed or dishonest? And I imagine there staff is broadly Afghan, especially in local offices. Since you need to speak Pashto or Dari to poll Afghans properly.