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Insaanistan wrote:There are reports the NRF now controls areas of Badakhshan that border Tajikistan. If true, well, we’ll see how strong Tajik brotherhood is.

Additionally, Chamtaleh Station in Kabul was attacked by rockets in Kabul. As no one has officially claimed responsibility, we have no clue who actually did it.

What is the NRF?

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Insaanistan wrote:There are reports the NRF now controls areas of Badakhshan that border Tajikistan. If true, well, we’ll see how strong Tajik brotherhood is.

Additionally, Chamtaleh Station in Kabul was attacked by rockets in Kabul. As no one has officially claimed responsibility, we have no clue who actually did it.

What is the NRF?

National Resistance Front. They're the principal force opposing the Taliban at the moment.

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Insaanistan wrote:Additionally, Chamtaleh Station in Kabul was attacked by rockets in Kabul. As no one has officially claimed responsibility, we have no clue who actually did it.
That might not have been an actual attack, just the locals celebrating something by shooting into the air but in this case not working out where the rockets would land... :lol:
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Insaanistan wrote:Additionally, Chamtaleh Station in Kabul was attacked by rockets in Kabul. As no one has officially claimed responsibility, we have no clue who actually did it.
That might not have been an actual attack, just the locals celebrating something by shooting into the air but in this case not working out where the rockets would land... :lol:

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Why are people Afraid of Afghan refugees? They clearly don't want to live under Taliban/Sharia rule.

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Why are people Afraid of Afghan refugees? They clearly don't want to live under Taliban/Sharia rule.

Racism. There is nothing deeper to it then that.

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Why are people Afraid of Afghan refugees? They clearly don't want to live under Taliban/Sharia rule.

Racism. There is nothing deeper to it then that.

I mean the US was attacked repeatedly by AL Queda 20-25 years ago resulting in thousands of civilian deaths. Due to the TalIban harboring terrorists the US invaded and occupied Afghanistan for 20 years. Its easy to see how people would conflate Osama Bin Laden, Al Quada, the Taliban, and Afghanistan. A fear of a suicide bombing or worse pervades some Americans minds. There concern isn't of the tens of thousands of new afghan immigrants who will enjoy opportunity and freedom in america but of the one or two (or more) that will come with nefarious goals.

Do they exist? Hopefully not. However "never assign to malice what can adequately be ascribed to stupidity." cuts both ways. As possible as it is for one out of tens of thousands to commit an act of terror out of ignorance it is at least as likely that one out of hundreds of millions will espouce fear based on ignorance of those people's origin. My 2 cents.
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Heloin wrote:Racism. There is nothing deeper to it then that.

I mean the US was attacked repeatedly by AL Queda 20-25 years ago resulting in thousands of civilian deaths. Due to the TalIban harboring terrorists the US invaded and occupied Afghanistan for 20 years. Its easy to see how people would conflate Osama Bin Laden, Al Quada, the Taliban, and Afghanistan. A fear of a suicide bombing or worse pervades some Americans minds. There concern isn't of the tens of thousands of new afghan immigrants who will enjoy opportunity and freedom in america but of the one or two (or more) that will come with nefarious goals.

Do they exist? Hopefully not. However "never assign to malice what can adequately be ascribed to stupidity." cuts both ways. As possible as it is for one out of tens of thousands to commit an act of terror out of ignorance it is at least as likely that one out of hundreds of millions will espouce fear based on ignorance of those people's origin. My 2 cents.

As I said before, racism.

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Postby Deblar » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:05 pm

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Why are people Afraid of Afghan refugees? They clearly don't want to live under Taliban/Sharia rule.

Because they’re brown they’re Muslim they could potentially be terrorists, obviously /s

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Postby Gravlen » Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:34 pm

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I did some more reading and it seemed to be 7 kids who died, the kids were his family had run out to greet him when got home according to the family of Zemari Ahmadi( the man killed.) Whose cousin was a former US millitary contractor and Amhadi had already applied for refugee resettlement in the United States. So we killed an innocent man along with several other civllians and several children from his family.

And there was an attempt to cover this all up by claiming there was some secondary explosion to prove he had explosives(it was just fucking water jugs) but there is no evidence of that. So we killed an innocent man based on assumptions and faulty intel, along with several kids and other civilians then made up shit to cover it all up.

Which I guess for a final American act is pretty fitting as a great summary of how well we did here.

And, as a fitting coda to this summary of the war in Afghanistan, the deadly mistake will have no reprecussions for anyone involved.
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For fuck's sake Taliban, if you're going to make a Thought Police, at least don't make their name sound like they're thought police.
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Postby Chess Reloaded » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:45 pm

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For fuck's sake Taliban, if you're going to make a Thought Police, at least don't make their name sound like they're thought police.

The term they use is a translation of the phrase الأمر .بالمعروف و ونهي عن المنكر They're terms from the Quran describing a group appointed for just this purpose

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South Americanastan wrote:For fuck's sake Taliban, if you're going to make a Thought Police, at least don't make their name sound like they're thought police.

The term they use is a translation of the phrase الأمر .بالمعروف و ونهي عن المنكر They're terms from the Quran describing a group appointed for just this purpose

Translated: "Enjoining good and forbidding evil"

That's not the term they're using.
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A cool new Mark Felton special on Afghanistan's past. When it was at peace, the Royal Afghan Army were once known as the "Prussians of the Orient."
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South Americanastan wrote:
Chess Reloaded wrote:The term they use is a translation of the phrase الأمر .بالمعروف و ونهي عن المنكر They're terms from the Quran describing a group appointed for just this purpose

Translated: "Enjoining good and forbidding evil"

That's not the term they're using.

They're not using English.

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South Americanastan wrote:Translated: "Enjoining good and forbidding evil"

That's not the term they're using.

They're not using English.

That's the English translation of the term you gave me.

So why have the Taliban themselves translated it as "The Ministry for Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice"?
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Chess Reloaded wrote:They're not using English.

That's the English translation of the term you gave me.

So why have the Taliban themselves translated it as "The Ministry for Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice"?

Both are translations, there isn't some canonical English translation. Propagation/enjoining/ordaining virtue/good prevention/forbidding evil/vice it's all a translation of the Arabic term.

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Postby Fahran » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:54 pm

Chess Reloaded wrote:
South Americanastan wrote:That's the English translation of the term you gave me.

So why have the Taliban themselves translated it as "The Ministry for Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice"?

Both are translations, there isn't some canonical English translation. Propagation/enjoining/ordaining virtue/good prevention/forbidding evil/vice it's all a translation of the Arabic term.

I was going to say. Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice sounds like a plausible translation of the local language.

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