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Postby Chess Reloaded » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:24 am

Any thoughts on the Convoy of Death?

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Postby Chess Reloaded » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:02 am

Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?

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Postby Comerciante » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:04 am

Bears Armed wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:and the only one to use nukes on a civlian population

4.) An invasion of Japan itself that it was estimated would, if the Japanese fought as fiercely as both sides expected, result in: around a million Allied troops KIA (including all of those POWs being used for hard labour there, who would have been massacred by their captors) , and many more maimed for life; the death of almost all Japanese military personnel within the 'home islands'; and death or maiming for far more Japanese civilians than the atomic bombs affected... Did you know that the Japanese government & military intended to use as many civilians as they could (ordered in the Emperor's "holy" name) as suicide bombers, or just instruct them all to attack the invaders with whatever implements were at hand, which would probably have triggered a "Kill them all, it's the only way to be sure" in many of the Allied troops?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the study that provided the "million Allied troops KIA" was performed years after the war and was used merely to create justifications for the bombings.
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:15 am

Bears Armed wrote:-snip-

I am highly sceptical of the interpretation that the atomic bombings were the decisive factor that forced Japan into a surrender much earlier than they would otherwise have.

If I remember correctly the postwar analysis was that Japan after the intense strategic bombing campaigns the US inflicted on it was on its last leg anyways and that an unconditional surrender would have been forthcoming (well, as unconditional as it got IRL) - if not within weeks, then at the very minimum no later than the end of ‘45 - without the US dropping atomic weapons on Japanese cities and without a single US soldier setting foot on the Home Islands.

Personally I don’t see much wrong with the American use of atomic bombs to begin with — what’s one more atrocity in a war filled with them? — but this line of reasoning which insists that the atomic bombs were necessary to take Japan out of the running makes little sense to me.
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Postby Sattwikstan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:16 am

Comerciante wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:4.) An invasion of Japan itself that it was estimated would, if the Japanese fought as fiercely as both sides expected, result in: around a million Allied troops KIA (including all of those POWs being used for hard labour there, who would have been massacred by their captors) , and many more maimed for life; the death of almost all Japanese military personnel within the 'home islands'; and death or maiming for far more Japanese civilians than the atomic bombs affected... Did you know that the Japanese government & military intended to use as many civilians as they could (ordered in the Emperor's "holy" name) as suicide bombers, or just instruct them all to attack the invaders with whatever implements were at hand, which would probably have triggered a "Kill them all, it's the only way to be sure" in many of the Allied troops?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the study that provided the "million Allied troops KIA" was performed years after the war and was used merely to create justifications for the bombings.

Just the aerial bombing of Tokyo killed more people than the nukes. Just imagine how many a whole hearted invasion of Japan would have killed

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Postby Chess Reloaded » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:23 am

Ron Paul has long been a favorite of Islamists (clips of him are actually featured in an Islamist documentary which asserts many wars in the Middle East are a product of collaboration between the House of Saud abd America regarding the Petrodollar), now I know why.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:23 am

Jeriga wrote:It's within your right, but don't expect respect or anything less than a hostile tone from most reasonable people.


No, I think I will expect better, particularly when I'm not as hostile in kind. I'd advise other users to get over it. I'm here to stay and I've outlasted most who were opposed to me. I intend to triumph in my own way.

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Taliban official who couldn't be found by US and former Afghan government, reveals that he was living in Kabul the whole time.
It is perhaps the case that Ayman al-Zawahiri for example, is in Pakistan or some other well known city in the middle east that everybody least expects them to be.
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Postby Chess Reloaded » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:27 am

Saiwania wrote:
Jeriga wrote:It's within your right, but don't expect respect or anything less than a hostile tone from most reasonable people.


No, I think I will expect better, particularly when I'm not as hostile in kind. I'd advise other users to get over it. I'm here to stay and I've outlasted most who were opposed to me. I intend to triumph in my own way.

https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-spokesma ... 51060.html

Taliban official who couldn't be found by US and former Afghan government, reveals that he was living in Kabul the whole time.
It is perhaps the case that Ayman al-Zawahiri for example, is in Pakistan or some other well known city in the middle east that everybody least expects them to be.

Only reason they found Usama was because his doctor informed on him for the bounty (his doctor was subsequently imprisoned by Pakistan and still is).

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:41 am

Comerciante wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:4.) An invasion of Japan itself that it was estimated would, if the Japanese fought as fiercely as both sides expected, result in: around a million Allied troops KIA (including all of those POWs being used for hard labour there, who would have been massacred by their captors) , and many more maimed for life; the death of almost all Japanese military personnel within the 'home islands'; and death or maiming for far more Japanese civilians than the atomic bombs affected... Did you know that the Japanese government & military intended to use as many civilians as they could (ordered in the Emperor's "holy" name) as suicide bombers, or just instruct them all to attack the invaders with whatever implements were at hand, which would probably have triggered a "Kill them all, it's the only way to be sure" in many of the Allied troops?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the study that provided the "million Allied troops KIA" was performed years after the war and was used merely to create justifications for the bombings.


It was pre invasion and it was a million American casualties.

Richard Franks book "Downfall", talks about the planning for X and Y day, and the expected Japanese response
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:42 am

Chess Reloaded wrote:Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?


I imagine the concern is that they will go there, receive training to conduct terror attacks or learn techniques for radicalisation and propaganda, before then going back to their previous countries to do naughty things.
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Postby Picairn » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:44 am

Chess Reloaded wrote:Ron Paul has long been a favorite of Islamists (clips of him are actually featured in an Islamist documentary which asserts many wars in the Middle East are a product of collaboration between the House of Saud abd America regarding the Petrodollar), now I know why.
https://twitter.com/Moazzam_Begg/status ... 03714?s=19

Petrodollar as a system is a fantasy. You may be able to find circumstantial evidence of US politicians asserting that we engaged in a specific war for oil, but the US economy is in no way dependent on oil like the Arab countries or the Soviet Union. When the oil glut of 1998 happened and oil prices fell to record low, the US did not collapse. If anything, the oil price hike of 1973 actually hurt the US economy a lot, which kinda demolish the Petrodollar myth.

The dollar became the world's reserve currency because of Bretton Woods, not oil.

Ron Paul is bullshit here as usual. If what he is referring to the Gulf War, the whole "bombing Iraq for ten years" part as a cause of 9/11, it happened because Saddam invaded Kuwait and invited the retribution of 35 countries, including Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, etc. Even the Afghan mujahideen sent their troops to help the coalition. So really, why would our actions in Iraq 1991 incensed the Islamic world? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:44 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Chess Reloaded wrote:Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?


I imagine the concern is that they will go there, receive training to conduct terror attacks or learn techniques for radicalisation and propaganda, before then going back to their previous countries to do naughty things.

You'd think that by now the terrorists would have implemented remote learning.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I imagine the concern is that they will go there, receive training to conduct terror attacks or learn techniques for radicalisation and propaganda, before then going back to their previous countries to do naughty things.

You'd think that by now the terrorists would have implemented remote learning.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:53 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I imagine the concern is that they will go there, receive training to conduct terror attacks or learn techniques for radicalisation and propaganda, before then going back to their previous countries to do naughty things.

You'd think that by now the terrorists would have implemented remote learning.

They watched the NYC schools fail with it and drew the appropriate lessons.
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Chess Reloaded wrote:Ron Paul has long been a favorite of Islamists (clips of him are actually featured in an Islamist documentary which asserts many wars in the Middle East are a product of collaboration between the House of Saud abd America regarding the Petrodollar), now I know why.
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Postby Chess Reloaded » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:17 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Chess Reloaded wrote:Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?


I imagine the concern is that they will go there, receive training to conduct terror attacks or learn techniques for radicalisation and propaganda, before then going back to their previous countries to do naughty things.

Domestic terrorists are almost always amateurs who can't do anything serious, people who actually get real training tend to devote themselves to being foreign fighters.

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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:08 am

The situation in Mazar (from what we’re hearing) sounds like a Bollywood comedy that also wants to tackle world issues.

So like, Welcome to Karachi, but Afghan.
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:16 am

Insaanistan wrote:The situation in Mazar (from what we’re hearing) sounds like a Bollywood comedy that also wants to tackle world issues.

So like, Welcome to Karachi, but Afghan.

What?
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Postby Christian Confederation » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 am

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Christian Confederation wrote:Calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi wishes down the meaning of the word

This proves that you've never seen one of Sai's horrendous takes.

Don't know him but that doesn't disprove my point.
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Christian Confederation wrote:
Picairn wrote:This proves that you've never seen one of Sai's horrendous takes.

Don't know him but that doesn't disprove my point.
Chess Reloaded wrote:Any thoughts on the Convoy of Death?
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Well, Sai is an actual Nazi, soooo
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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:19 am

Arvenia wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:The situation in Mazar (from what we’re hearing) sounds like a Bollywood comedy that also wants to tackle world issues.

So like, Welcome to Karachi, but Afghan.

What?

Indian movie, takes place in Karachi, Pakistan. While it does portray Pakistan as a violent place where people hate anyone of a different ethnic group, it also makes a point of portraying Pakistanis of ordinary people who are not so different from Indians, who like Pakistanis suffer under the rule of corrupt politicians.
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Postby Miternet » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:46 am

Diahon wrote:
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Why are the Mods so invested in protecting the feelings of Nazis?

free speech

it's a thing, even if i loathe a number of its effects


This a forum though.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:22 pm

Miternet wrote:
Diahon wrote:free speech

it's a thing, even if i loathe a number of its effects


This a forum though.


And...?

Free Speech is just exactly that. So long as said speech is within established parameters for this forum, people are allowed to voice their opinions regardless of if they meet your standards of approval or not. If this offends and upsets you that badly, then perhaps NS isn't for you.
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Postby Latorik » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:56 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Picairn wrote:This proves that you've never seen one of Sai's horrendous takes.

Don't know him but that doesn't disprove my point.
Chess Reloaded wrote:Any thoughts on the Convoy of Death?
Based Move by the US Straight from the art of war

Sai is an actual self-proclaimed nazi.

Like genuinely.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:42 pm

Interesting news from Iran, members of the Iranian parliament as well as two formers presidents have very openly said Iran should not allow Pakistan to take the role of the US as a foreign imperialist power in Afghanistan. The Quds vs ISI showdown might still happen.
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