Afghan Conflict: Russian Political Leader Meets With Massoud

[Arvenia]

Liberalism is about liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. It has a big regard for individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy.. How can it be a gross neglect of human dignity? Are you possibly conservative?

"Are you possibly conservative" lol you don't wanna know

I must know.

[Kowani]

Inside the seized house of Saleh,former VP and leader of the resistence
https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1437 ... 08672?s=19

$6.5 million in cash, and 18 gold bricks
jfc

---

UN high commissioner for refugees arrives in afghanistan

[Picairn]

I must know.

You new in here? Chess is a Taliban supporter, go figure.

[Chess Reloaded]

You may not like it but in the eyes of many Afghans, liberalism is a gross neglect of human dignify

Liberalism is about liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. It has a big regard for individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy.. How can it be a gross neglect of human dignity? Are you possibly conservative?

It's liberty to be under constant surveillance. It's consent to be imprisoned if you refuse to consent. It's equality before the law if you can afford an expensive attorney. It has big regard for individual rights like corporate persons. It's democracy in the sense of rule by intelligence agencies who act with impugnity. It's secularism in the sense that only ideologies without God can be indoctrinated into the youth. It's freedom of speech in the sense you can go to prison for leaking corruption. It's freedom of the press in the sense 99% of the consumed media is owned by very few and facee no repercussions for relentlessly lying. It's freedom of religion in the sense that you can wear some cultural garb so long as you fork over a significant portion of your wealth to pay for the slaughter and occupation of your co-religionists in another land. It's a market economy in the sense that you must pay to subsidize the wealthiest competitors and bail them back into the game if they lose.

[Diahon]

Liberalism is about liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. It has a big regard for individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy.. How can it be a gross neglect of human dignity? Are you possibly conservative?

It's liberty to be under constant surveillance. It's consent to be imprisoned if you refuse to consent. It's equality before the law if you can afford an expensive attorney. It has big regard for individual rights like corporate persons. It's democracy in the sense of rule by intelligence agencies who act with impugnity. It's secularism in the sense that only ideologies without God can be indoctrinated into the youth. It's freedom of speech in the sense you can go to prison for leaking corruption. It's freedom of the press in the sense 99% of the consumed media is owned by very few and face no repercussions for relentlessly lying. It's freedom of religion in the sense that you can wear some cultural garb so long as you fork over a significant portion of your wealth to pay for the slaughter and occupation of your co-religionists in another land. It's a market economy in the sense that you must pay to subsidize the wealthiest competitors and bail them back into the game if they lose.

and to root out liberal hypocrisy, we now turn to parasitical, bass-ackwards butchers, who are made virtuous by the blood they shed and the potential they eviscerate, and who by the way this fucking guy claims to not be a fan of

[Chess Reloaded]

Inside the seized house of Saleh,former VP and leader of the resistence
https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1437 ... 08672?s=19

$6.5 million in cash, and 18 gold bricks
jfc

---

UN high commissioner for refugees arrives in afghanistan

And that's what he left behind. Imagine what he took in the three choppers he left in

[Picairn]

It's liberty to be under constant surveillance. It's consent to be imprisoned if you refuse to consent. It's equality before the law if you can afford an expensive attorney. It has big regard for individual rights like corporate persons. It's democracy in the sense of rule by intelligence agencies who act with impugnity. It's secularism in the sense that only ideologies without God can be indoctrinated into the youth. It's freedom of speech in the sense you can go to prison for leaking corruption. It's freedom of the press in the sense 99% of the consumed media is owned by very few and facee no repercussions for relentlessly lying. It's freedom of religion in the sense that you can wear some cultural garb so long as you fork over a significant portion of your wealth to pay for the slaughter and occupation of your co-religionists in another land. It's a market economy in the sense that you must pay to subsidize the wealthiest competitors and bail them back into the game if they lose.

See, I love folks making false equivalencies, they make an embarrassment of themselves trying to overblown events and somehow equate it to literal butchering of civilians. Also, you know that the Taliban does many of these as well, right? They have their militia patrolling the streets, they beat up protesters with rifle butts and tear gas, they imprison, torture and kill dissidents with impunity, they cut communication networks and control which image or footage can be broadcast, they indoctrinate their followers with extremist ideologies, they lie to the world and oppress civilians behind their backs, they force women to wear face veils, their "courts" completely disregard due process, their economy runs on opium trade.

[Chess Reloaded]

It's liberty to be under constant surveillance. It's consent to be imprisoned if you refuse to consent. It's equality before the law if you can afford an expensive attorney. It has big regard for individual rights like corporate persons. It's democracy in the sense of rule by intelligence agencies who act with impugnity. It's secularism in the sense that only ideologies without God can be indoctrinated into the youth. It's freedom of speech in the sense you can go to prison for leaking corruption. It's freedom of the press in the sense 99% of the consumed media is owned by very few and facee no repercussions for relentlessly lying. It's freedom of religion in the sense that you can wear some cultural garb so long as you fork over a significant portion of your wealth to pay for the slaughter and occupation of your co-religionists in another land. It's a market economy in the sense that you must pay to subsidize the wealthiest competitors and bail them back into the game if they lose.

See, I love folks making false equivalencies, they make an embarrassment of themselves trying to overblown events and somehow equate it to literal butchering of civilians. Also, you know that the Taliban does many of these as well, right? They have their militia patrolling the streets, they beat up protesters with rifle butts and tear gas, they imprison, torture and kill dissidents with impunity, they cut communication networks and control which image or footage can be broadcast, they indoctrinate their followers with extremist ideologies, they lie to the world and oppress civilians behind their backs, they force women to wear face veils, their "courts" completely disregard due process, their economy runs on opium trade.

Friend. Friend, friend, friend. You really need to keep up with the coverage on twitter, the firsthand coverage, I can give you some accounts if you are interested. It's a big thing. For the first time many, many people are seeing the truth about Palestine, and nw Afghan. إن شاء الله many other lands too.

[Diahon]

See, I love folks making false equivalencies, they make an embarrassment of themselves trying to overblown events and somehow equate it to literal butchering of civilians. Also, you know that the Taliban does many of these as well, right? They have their militia patrolling the streets, they beat up protesters with rifle butts and tear gas, they imprison, torture and kill dissidents with impunity, they cut communication networks and control which image or footage can be broadcast, they indoctrinate their followers with extremist ideologies, they lie to the world and oppress civilians behind their backs, they force women to wear face veils, their "courts" completely disregard due process, their economy runs on opium trade.

Friend. Friend, friend, friend. You really need to keep up with the coverage on twitter, the firsthand coverage, I can give you some accounts if you are interested. It's a big thing. For the first time many, many people are seeing the truth about Palestine, and nw Afghan. إن شاء الله many other lands too.

truth? you dare speak of truth?

see, truth through your not-idols has the same quality and the same utility as gas through a cow's guts

[Chess Reloaded]

Friend. Friend, friend, friend. You really need to keep up with the coverage on twitter, the firsthand coverage, I can give you some accounts if you are interested. It's a big thing. For the first time many, many people are seeing the truth about Palestine, and nw Afghan. إن شاء الله many other lands too.

truth? you dare speak of truth?

see, truth through your not-idols has the same quality and the same utility as gas through a cow's guts

I suggest you put me on your foes list as it seems to me you find no value in my posts

[Diahon]

truth? you dare speak of truth?

see, truth through your not-idols has the same quality and the same utility as gas through a cow's guts

I suggest you put me on your foes list as it seems to me you find no value in my posts

but you shill for mass-murdering terrorists! if nothing else, that value should be NEGATIVE -- not as bad as the assholes you don't don't support, but bad

[Arvenia]

truth? you dare speak of truth?

see, truth through your not-idols has the same quality and the same utility as gas through a cow's guts

I suggest you put me on your foes list as it seems to me you find no value in my posts

Maybe you should leave this thread.

[Chess Reloaded]

Many would characterize Geronimo as a terrorist

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

No doubt, secular liberalism is very much a work-in-progress with many a bug left to be patched. If anyone held delusions that I thought modern democracy to be perfect, I invite you to take a glance at my flag and signature.

But when it comes to respect for individual freedoms and rights, the social, political, and economic opportunities afforded the average constituent, not to mention tolerance between a diversity of cultures and lifestyles, the liberal-capitalist democracies of 21st Century secularism vastly outshadows anything that religious thinkers - of any stripe - has to offer.

[Miternet]

Don't want our mods agreeing with Nazis. That should be a given.

Nazism is in the past for me now, and I'd insist that any assertions to the contrary constitute harassment towards me. I tolerate more crap from random users here than I have to, only because I so strongly believe that no one should get in trouble until there is no alternative. For the time being, it is within my right to be a Fascist politically here. With the relevance of climate change, I'm proud to add an environmental component as well to my ideology.

China is supposedly giving $31 million to Afghanistan as tribute to buy the Taliban's future cooperation.

Yeah, that's kinda the problem isn't it? I'd rather not have to deal with Fascist on this site and frankly, the fact the the Mods are OK with the likes of you here makes them morally suspect.

[Arvenia]

Nazism is in the past for me now, and I'd insist that any assertions to the contrary constitute harassment towards me. I tolerate more crap from random users here than I have to, only because I so strongly believe that no one should get in trouble until there is no alternative. For the time being, it is within my right to be a Fascist politically here. With the relevance of climate change, I'm proud to add an environmental component as well to my ideology.

China is supposedly giving $31 million to Afghanistan as tribute to buy the Taliban's future cooperation.

Yeah, that's kinda the problem isn't it? I'd rather not have to deal with Fascist on this site and frankly, the fact the the Mods are OK with the likes of you here makes them morally suspect.

What about Chess?

[Miternet]

They take a dim view of flaming Nazis?

They take a dim view of flaming anyone. This includes Nazis, unfortunately.

Why are the Mods so invested in protecting the feelings of Nazis?

[Chess Reloaded]

No doubt, secular liberalism is very much a work-in-progress with many a bug left to be patched. If anyone held delusions that I thought modern democracy to be perfect, I invite you to take a glance at my flag and signature.

But when it comes to respect for individual freedoms and rights, the social, political, and economic opportunities afforded the average constituent, and tolerance between a diversity of cultures and lifestyles, liberal-capitalist democracies of 21st Century secularism vastly outshadows anything that religious thinkers - of any stripe - has to offer.

I disagree. I believe it is a force for putting control of culture in fewer and fewer hands who are trying to comfort the entire world to it

[Diahon]

They take a dim view of flaming anyone. This includes Nazis, unfortunately.

Why are the Mods so invested in protecting the feelings of Nazis?

free speech

it's a thing, even if i loathe a number of its effects

Many would characterize Geronimo as a terrorist

but of course, compare your not-idols making people their toys to their god to a guy who wanted his homeland back against the goons who murdered his family

who comes out smelling like a fart? who knows, but it can't be the man with a country!

[Chess Reloaded]

Why are the Mods so invested in protecting the feelings of Nazis?

free speech

it's a thing, even if i loathe a number of its effects

Many would characterize Geronimo as a terrorist

but of course, compare your not-idols making people their toys to their god to a guy who wanted his homeland back against the goons who murdered his family

who comes out smelling like a fart? who knows, but it can't be the man with a country!

I think your are simplifying the issue too much and this was a key mistake on America's part. Many Taliban did not have any theocratic stake but simply joined as a result of brutality by the regime, certainly yes I read about one, a doctor, who joined after he came home to find his whole family droned. The Taliban did not have anywhere near their numbers before America came over

[Bears Armed]

Harassment feels a bit underwhelming given we're talking about the literal Taliban.


The mods don't agree with Nazis. They simply take a dim view of flaming.

They take a dim view of flaming Nazis?

They did before banning open Nazis from the site, anyway. [Violet] Herself once received an official warning because she'd done it!

[Bears Armed]

and the only one to use nukes on a civlian population

The alternatives on that occasion being _
1.) Let the oppressive regime governing that population keep a lot of its earlier conquests (There's documentation from Japanese official sources that the only sort of peace treaty they were prepared to consider just pre-Hiroshima would have been one that left them with all of their pre-Pearl Harbour territories, including most of coastal & north-eastern China) regardless of any atrocities with which they were involved there.
2.) Starve the country into submission, killing far more people -- and doing more long-term damage to infrastructure -- than the atomic bombs did.
3.) Bat-bombs.
4.) An invasion of Japan itself that it was estimated would, if the Japanese fought as fiercely as both sides expected, result in: around a million Allied troops KIA (including all of those POWs being used for hard labour there, who would have been massacred by their captors) , and many more maimed for life; the death of almost all Japanese military personnel within the 'home islands'; and death or maiming for far more Japanese civilians than the atomic bombs affected... Did you know that the Japanese government & military intended to use as many civilians as they could (ordered in the Emperor's "holy" name) as suicide bombers, or just instruct them all to attack the invaders with whatever implements were at hand, which would probably have triggered a "Kill them all, it's the only way to be sure" in many of the Allied troops?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Nazism is in the past for me now, and I'd insist that any assertions to the contrary constitute harassment towards me. I tolerate more crap from random users here than I have to, only because I so strongly believe that no one should get in trouble until there is no alternative. For the time being, it is within my right to be a Fascist politically here. With the relevance of climate change, I'm proud to add an environmental component as well to my ideology.

China is supposedly giving $31 million to Afghanistan as tribute to buy the Taliban's future cooperation.

Yeah, that's kinda the problem isn't it? I'd rather not have to deal with Fascist on this site and frankly, the fact the the Mods are OK with the likes of you here makes them morally suspect.

If the range of views allowed here is unacceptable to you, there are many other discussion sites with a smaller window of allowed opinions which you might want to try instead.

Attempts to guilt and emotionally manipulate the moderators into changing their standards because you do not like them certainly feel a little morally suspect to me. And yes, I say that as someone who once did the very same sort of thing. Self-appointed "protectors" should not presume to speak for users.

[Bears Armed]

Liberalism is about liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. It has a big regard for individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy.. How can it be a gross neglect of human dignity? Are you possibly conservative?

I'm "conservative" (by British standards, anyway) and I can assure you that in the UK most conservatives support all of those principles as well. Please do not fling the label 'conservative' around in the same way that many leftists do the label 'fascist'.

Yeah, that's kinda the problem isn't it? I'd rather not have to deal with Fascist on this site and frankly, the fact the the Mods are OK with the likes of you here makes them morally suspect.

The Mods are also okay with the presence here of Marxist-Leninists (even outright Stalinists), Maoists, and nations glorifying North Korea (all of those, incidentally, being groups of which I disapprove as strongly as I disapprove of Fascists...): It's the principle called 'Freedom of Speech'.

[Arvenia]

Liberalism is about liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. It has a big regard for individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy.. How can it be a gross neglect of human dignity? Are you possibly conservative?

I'm "conservative" (by British standards, anyway) and I can assure you that in the UK most conservatives support all of those principles as well. Please do not fling the label 'conservative' around in the same way that many leftists do the label 'fascist'.

Yeah, that's kinda the problem isn't it? I'd rather not have to deal with Fascist on this site

I know, there is a difference between normal conservatives and the radical ones called ultraconservatives. I didn't mean to demonize all conservatives. I am just concerned about Chess' political beliefs.