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Postby Jutlop » Wed May 05, 2021 10:13 am

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I see your point, but did the us deserve this support

Doesn't matter we got it, and are abandoning those who gave it to us. We are idiots.

agreed, I wish the administrations cared but that's wishful thinking

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Postby Heaven Hieghts » Wed May 05, 2021 10:13 am

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I see your point, but did the us deserve this support

Doesn't matter we got it, and are abandoning those who gave it to us. We are idiots.

We've got a long track record of fucking over people who help us in a given area, going back to Vietnam. The amount of work it took to make the SIV a thing was absolutely tremendous.
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Postby Jutlop » Wed May 05, 2021 10:27 am

Palcania wrote:Trader offer:

You get multiple terrorist attacks and destabilized regions.

I get Afghanistan and I can commit war crimes whenever I want.


yeah you summed it up

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Postby Sungoldy-China » Thu May 06, 2021 3:00 am

Whether the United States is present or not, the Taliban will win Afghanistan.

In this land, only the Taliban can carry forward and grow ,Because the Taliban is the way to survival through long-term tempering of this land

Whether it is the Soviet Union or the United States, It is futile to plant delicate systems on this land.

Either cooperate with the Taliban or be eliminated by the Taliban.
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Postby Page » Thu May 06, 2021 3:01 am

Sungoldy-China wrote:Whether the United States is present or not, the Taliban will win Afghanistan.

In this land, only the Taliban can carry forward and grow ,Because the Taliban is the way to survival through long-term tempering of this land

Whether it is the Soviet Union or the United States, It is futile to plant delicate systems on this land.

Either cooperate with the Taliban or be eliminated by the Taliban.


The Taliban will be the dominant faction either way but you sound strangely happy about it...
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Postby Latorik » Thu May 06, 2021 12:21 pm


figured as much, with how corrupt and already infiltrated the afghan government is its little surprise they're crumbling as fast as they are without american support

its a shame too, hopefully most'll be able to flee the country before the taliban start cracking down on those that dont align with their ideals.

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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu May 06, 2021 12:22 pm

Why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?
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Postby Latorik » Thu May 06, 2021 12:25 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?

because terrorist bad!!!!!!111!!!

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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu May 06, 2021 12:25 pm


Damm that is rough.
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Postby Heaven Hieghts » Thu May 06, 2021 12:35 pm

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Damm that is rough.
A watershed moment indeed

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Postby Velem » Thu May 06, 2021 1:04 pm

Interesting... hopefully, not a lot of people will have to die in this hard process of transition and increased autonomy of Afghanistan political forces.

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Postby Lady Victory » Thu May 06, 2021 1:05 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?


Because we let the Pakistanis help the Taliban for some dumbfuck reason.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu May 06, 2021 1:16 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?


Because we let the Pakistanis help the Taliban for some dumbfuck reason.

We let them help them (and ourselves indirectly and inadvertently created them) because they were anti-Communism, which was apparently good enough for us.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 06, 2021 1:20 pm

The US should still leave.

In the event of another attack on the scale of 9/11 on a western nation by the Taliban in afghanistan after the withdrawal, we should re-invade and adopt harsher measures.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 06, 2021 1:24 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?


"Hitler has shot himself. Job done boys, we can all go home. Nah, no need to worry about the Nazis taking back the territory. S'all good.".

I say that while still thinking we've been there too long and should leave. If the Taliban attack the west on the scale of 9/11 again, we should re-invade and accept the soft nation building measures applied to them will not work, and apply harsher measures. The west is under no obligation to tolerate a threat to its safety like that.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 06, 2021 1:28 pm

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Sungoldy-China wrote:Whether the United States is present or not, the Taliban will win Afghanistan.

In this land, only the Taliban can carry forward and grow ,Because the Taliban is the way to survival through long-term tempering of this land

Whether it is the Soviet Union or the United States, It is futile to plant delicate systems on this land.

Either cooperate with the Taliban or be eliminated by the Taliban.


The Taliban will be the dominant faction either way but you sound strangely happy about it...


The issue is that the left wing position is "Let's leave", and the right wing position is "Let's stay forever while putting locals in charge of combating taliban ideology and running civilian affairs.".

If Afghani politicians had a clue how to shape a culture so as not to be pro-taliban, there wouldn't be a taliban.

This will mean that eventually we'll leave, the taliban will attack again, and then we're in a pickle.

Either the left just continually self-flaggellates and waddles about saying "We need to let them hit us UwU, we shouldn't invade because imperialism UwU", or the right loses its fucking mind and starts demanding we nuke the place.

This is because the left, deep down, knows the solution. That's why they keep referring to it as the only alternative to "Do nothing" while ignoring that "Just kill every single one of them" is the right wings idea of an alternative.
Invade afghanistan and make it a colony. Take over the governance. Teach them how to be a civilized nation. Take over their schools, their television, their newspapers. Control their culture. Occupy the place for a generation or two and keep cracking down on independence movements until they take on the character and quality of liberal democratic ones.

I basically only support that if we leave (as we should), and the taliban continues to attack us.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu May 06, 2021 1:29 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Why the fuck are we still in Afghanistan?


"Hitler has shot himself. Job done boys, we can all go home. Nah, no need to worry about the Nazis taking back the territory. S'all good.".

I say that while still thinking we've been there too long and should leave. If the Taliban attack the west on the scale of 9/11 again, we should re-invade and accept the soft nation building measures applied to them will not work, and apply harsher measures. The west is under no obligation to tolerate a threat to its safety like that.

You know the Taliban isn’t Afghanistan’s actual government, right?

It’d be like Canada invading us in the 20th century due to the Klan’s activities and then doing so by bombing all of the US into the Stone Age for 20 years.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu May 06, 2021 1:30 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Page wrote:
The Taliban will be the dominant faction either way but you sound strangely happy about it...


The issue is that the left wing position is "Let's leave", and the right wing position is "Let's stay forever while putting locals in charge of combating taliban ideology and running civilian affairs.".

If Afghani politicians had a clue how to shape a culture so as not to be pro-taliban, there wouldn't be a taliban.

This will mean that eventually we'll leave, the taliban will attack again, and then we're in a pickle.

Either the left just continually self-flaggellates and cucks about saying "We need to let them hit us UwU, we shouldn't invade because imperialism UwU", or the right loses its fucking mind and starts demanding we nuke the place.

This is because the left, deep down, knows the solution. That's why they keep referring to it as the only alternative to "Do nothing" while ignoring that "Just kill every single one of them" is the right wings idea of an alternative.
Invade afghanistan and make it a colony. Take over the governance. Teach them how to be a civilized nation. Take over their schools, their television, their newspapers. Control their culture. Occupy the place for a generation or two and keep cracking down on independence movements until they take on the character and quality of liberal democratic ones.

So Kipling, how heavy is that Burden?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 06, 2021 1:31 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The issue is that the left wing position is "Let's leave", and the right wing position is "Let's stay forever while putting locals in charge of combating taliban ideology and running civilian affairs.".

If Afghani politicians had a clue how to shape a culture so as not to be pro-taliban, there wouldn't be a taliban.

This will mean that eventually we'll leave, the taliban will attack again, and then we're in a pickle.

Either the left just continually self-flaggellates and cucks about saying "We need to let them hit us UwU, we shouldn't invade because imperialism UwU", or the right loses its fucking mind and starts demanding we nuke the place.

This is because the left, deep down, knows the solution. That's why they keep referring to it as the only alternative to "Do nothing" while ignoring that "Just kill every single one of them" is the right wings idea of an alternative.
Invade afghanistan and make it a colony. Take over the governance. Teach them how to be a civilized nation. Take over their schools, their television, their newspapers. Control their culture. Occupy the place for a generation or two and keep cracking down on independence movements until they take on the character and quality of liberal democratic ones.

So Kipling, how heavy is that Burden?


A couple of trillion dollars by this point. Sure is expensive teaching people not to kill civilians. Civilian... civilized... hmm... "Danger to civilians"... "Unfit for civilized/Uncivilized..." ... Hmmm... I'm sure it's all a coincidence.
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Postby Insaanistan » Thu May 06, 2021 1:36 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:So Kipling, how heavy is that Burden?


A couple of trillion dollars by this point. Sure is expensive teaching people not to kill civilians. Civilian... civilized... hmm... "Danger to civilians"... "Unfit for civilized"... Hmmm... I'm sure it's all a coincidence.

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Postby Suriyanakhon » Thu May 06, 2021 1:43 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Invade afghanistan and make it a colony. Take over the governance. Teach them how to be a civilized nation. Take over their schools, their television, their newspapers. Control their culture. Occupy the place for a generation or two and keep cracking down on independence movements until they take on the character and quality of liberal democratic ones.


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Postby Insaanistan » Thu May 06, 2021 1:44 pm

Suriyanakhon wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Invade afghanistan and make it a colony. Take over the governance. Teach them how to be a civilized nation. Take over their schools, their television, their newspapers. Control their culture. Occupy the place for a generation or two and keep cracking down on independence movements until they take on the character and quality of liberal democratic ones.


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No, don’t you see? Laws don’t apply when dealing with brown people, especially not Muslims.
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