Afghan Conflict: Russian Political Leader Meets With Massoud

[Laka Strolistandiler]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

[Gongsi]

From what I can find, Ivory Coast is 44% Christian, 37.2% Muslim as of 2020.

This says as of 2019 it’s the values I put: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... koGpTNiOQQ
Wikipedia says it’s 42.9% Muslim, 33.9% Christian and 3.6% animist: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... gy7tsaVXB3

You may, in fact, be correct. It looks like Wikipedia is taking its numbers from a future estimation site, and a lot of other 2020 figures are doing the same. For shame, Wikipedia et al!

[Insaanistan]

This says as of 2019 it’s the values I put: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... koGpTNiOQQ
Wikipedia says it’s 42.9% Muslim, 33.9% Christian and 3.6% animist: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... gy7tsaVXB3

Wikipedia does not say what you just said.

I was referring to the snippet that appears before you actually click on the article. The article gives different values throughout it as to how many Muslims and Christians are in the country.

[Nakena]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

USSR was sucessfull in destroying the basmachi in central asia.

[Ethel mermania]

Damm that is rough.
A watershed moment indeed

I sense troubled waters ahead, myself.

The spillover is going to be terrible

[Insaanistan]

This says as of 2019 it’s the values I put: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... koGpTNiOQQ
Wikipedia says it’s 42.9% Muslim, 33.9% Christian and 3.6% animist: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... gy7tsaVXB3

You may, in fact, be correct. It looks like Wikipedia is taking its numbers from a future estimation site, and a lot of other 2020 figures are doing the same. For shame, Wikipedia et al!

It’s honestly hard to tell with African nations like Côte d’Ivoire: the numbers are really close unlike, say, Algeria, or Burundi. Even in a nation like Malawi that’s definitely majority Christian, some sources as well as Muslim religious leaders state that while Christians are the majority, the number of Muslims is way higher than they’re projecting and reporting.

[Gongsi]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

USSR was sucessfull in destroying the basmachi in central asia.

...and the Ukrainians...

...and the Chechens...

[Insaanistan]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

Marg bar Shoravi!

Death to the Soviet Union!
(Not aimed at Russians, just the Soviet Union itself. Thank you.)

[Heloin]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

Tankies still bitter they USSR lost the war in Afghanistan. Just like Americans who are in denial that they have lost their war as well.

[Lady Victory]

Not gonna lie:

The USSR was a besotted blight on the planet and the world is better off without it. But they were the closest thing to the "good guys" in Afghanistan. They weren't; there were no "good guys", at all. But they were the closest thing to it. The lesser of two evils. They honestly should have won. The world would have been better for it if they had.

[North Washington Republic]

The women and girls of Afghanistan are about to enter a dark, dark age. The Taliban is hellbent on taking over the entire country, and the women and girls there are about to suffer.

But hey, we can’t be the “Word’s Police”, right?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Meaning “students” in Arabic, the nationalist terrorist group known as the Taliban was inadvertently formed by the United States as part of the fight against Communism in Afghanistan. With them, al-Qaeda and ISIS on one side and the US and Afghanistan’s military on the other, the civil war has torn up the Central Asian country, destroying countless lives.

The US promised to withdraw under the Trump Administration amid talks between the Afghan Government and the Taliban in Qatar, with some Taliban reps being invited to Camp David. Biden has made the same promise. After the missed US deadline to withdraw troops placed by Trump passed, the armed group has committed over 140 attacks. The US states this will not speed up their withdrawal, despite Taliban threats of even more attacks if US troops don’t pull out.

Afghans are divided and conflicted on the issue of US withdrawal. On the one hand, they want this foreign occupation force gone from their land. On the other, there’s a fear of the US does leave, incidents like these will increase in intensity and frequency, and the military will be unable to combat it.

Sources:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 8-amp.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021 ... withdrawal

A bit more info here: The Taliban came about in a part due to quasi religious military camps set up in Pakistan. These camps had the approval of the the US but the religious fundamentalism was not part of the US plan. During the rise of ISIS the Taliban and their AL Queda allies actually fought against ISIS. They executed prisoners causing ISIS to prefer surrendering to the US and Afghan army. The announcement of US/Taliban negotiations lead to a resurgence of the Taliban. The peace deal including the release of around 1000 Taliban prisoners which lead to the bloodiest months the country has seen in years including the brief loss of control in a province.

My opinion: The US needs to stay. Thousands more will die if they leave.

[North Washington Republic]

Not gonna lie:

The USSR was a besotted blight on the planet and the world is better off without it. But they were the closest thing to the "good guys" in Afghanistan. They weren't; there were no "good guys", at all. But they were the closest thing to it. The lesser of two evils. They honestly should have won. The world would have been better for it if they had.

The Soviet Union was bad but we should have NEVER supported the mujahideen. We

[Immortan Khan]

I wonder how many of the people arguing that Western forces should stay are actually willing to do what it takes to crush something like the Taliban insurgency. It would not be pretty and force the military to generally do things considered wrong.

[Lady Victory]

I wonder how many of the people arguing that Western forces should stay are actually willing to do what it takes to crush something like the Taliban insurgency. It would not be pretty.

You mean strongarm Pakistan?

Worth the risk IMO.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The women and girls of Afghanistan are about to enter a dark, dark age. The Taliban is hellbent on taking over the entire country, and the women and girls there are about to suffer.

But hey, we can’t be the “Word’s Police”, right?

It's easy for you to support intervention when you can watch from your armchair at home and don't have to be out there fighting wars. 20 years, nothing to show.

[Immortan Khan]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

Tankies still bitter they USSR lost the war in Afghanistan. Just like Americans who are in denial that they have lost their war as well.

Tbf the USSR was beginning to wrestle control away from the various Afghan groups until the US decided to offer more robust support.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

USSR was sucessfull in destroying the basmachi in central asia.

... And also that too. Although, dealing with basmachi was easier than with Taliban because of them being basically just bands of looters and pillagers with little to no organization.

[Immortan Khan]

I wonder how many of the people arguing that Western forces should stay are actually willing to do what it takes to crush something like the Taliban insurgency. It would not be pretty.

You mean strongarm Pakistan?

Worth the risk IMO.

I'm not talking about strong arming Pakistan. The most successful COIN strategies in recent history generally had a lot in common with one another. Second Boer War, Malaysia, Algeria, Kenya.

[Ethel mermania]

The women and girls of Afghanistan are about to enter a dark, dark age. The Taliban is hellbent on taking over the entire country, and the women and girls there are about to suffer.

But hey, we can’t be the “Word’s Police”, right?

We have not done a decent job there now. What makes you think we would change?

My issues are simply the abandonment of our helpers and the timing

[North Washington Republic]

The women and girls of Afghanistan are about to enter a dark, dark age. The Taliban is hellbent on taking over the entire country, and the women and girls there are about to suffer.

But hey, we can’t be the “Word’s Police”, right?

We have not done a decent job there now. What makes you think we would change?

My issues are simply the abandonment of our helpers and the timing

The Generals say that withdrawing right now is not a good idea, but Biden needs to appease to his base and follow through his campaign promise.

What I’m saying that Afghan women and girls are going through dark period and lose many of their rights.

[Lady Victory]

You mean strongarm Pakistan?

Worth the risk IMO.

I'm not talking about strong arming Pakistan. The most successful COIN strategies in recent history generally had a lot in common with one another. Second Boer War, Malaysia, Algeria, Kenya.

Okay, but, like, you genuinely don't seem to grasp how much the Taliban relies on Pakistan's support. The only reason we never managed to drive them out of Afghanistan in the first place is because they'd just run over the border and hide there where we can't get them, rebuild their strength, start talking about "peace", get us to lower our guard, then sneak attack us. Rinse and repeat.

Take away their safe haven and they have nowhere to run. Where are they gonna go, Iran? Turkmenistan? Uzbekistan? Tajikistan? China? All of those countries would shoot them dead. Pakistan offers them literal refuge and directly supports them. Pakistan is the great bulwark keeping them alive at the moment.

[Insaanistan]

Not gonna lie:

The USSR was a besotted blight on the planet and the world is better off without it. But they were the closest thing to the "good guys" in Afghanistan. They weren't; there were no "good guys", at all. But they were the closest thing to it. The lesser of two evils. They honestly should have won. The world would have been better for it if they had.

The Soviet Union was bad but we should have NEVER supported the mujahideen. We

Ehhh...
The mujahideen weren’t radical terrorists, but the way we went about funding and supporting them allowed for a good chunk of them to soon be radicalized by terrorists.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

And now, do you remember one nation that actually managed, for some time, to curb those radicalists down? To have at least the main cities generally safe? That’s right- USSR. Despite our enemies sending their best technologies to the enemy, we still endured before that traitor Gorbachev. If only US stopped supporting those morons and our VVS gave Pakistan a beating for having terrorist training facilities...

Tankies still bitter they USSR lost the war in Afghanistan. Just like Americans who are in denial that they have lost their war as well.

I’m no tankie, however, I do support USSR in some part. Mainly because imperialism is cool. And big corporations aren’t.

Yeah sure we “lost” it, except for the fact that in 1989 USSR and DRA controlled basically the main industrial and economic centers. Did the USA got the same success?

Also, if only Gorbachev wasn’t a traitor and a coward, our bombers would’ve decimated the Pakistani-based training facilities with ease. That would’ve essentially won a war.

[Insaanistan]

Tankies still bitter they USSR lost the war in Afghanistan. Just like Americans who are in denial that they have lost their war as well.

I’m no tankie, however, I do support USSR in some part. Mainly because imperialism is cool. And big corporations aren’t.

Yeah sure we “lost” it, except for the fact that in 1989 USSR and DRA controlled basically the main industrial and economic centers. Did the USA got the same success?

Also, if only Gorbachev wasn’t a traitor and a coward, our bombers would’ve decimated the Pakistani-based training facilities with ease. That would’ve essentially won a war.

I’ll take horrible takes for 500.