Afghan Conflict: Russian Political Leader Meets With Massoud

[Gongsi]

Honestly I think it's best for the Afghan people to start moving to other countries before the Taliban take over the entire country. I say moving to either Europe or Asia will be a lot better than being under Taliban rule.

Just maybe not France...

[Diarcesia]

The Afghan government gave a dam. How interesting...

[Nakena]

Honestly I think it's best for the Afghan people to start moving to other countries before the Taliban take over the entire country. I say moving to either Europe or Asia will be a lot better than being under Taliban rule.

Thats a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. And also betrays lack of knowledge of the situation in Afghanistan. Those with money and education already packing their suitcases likely. The rest of the mass of the afghan population is on a very low level in general.

[Greater Cesnica]

Côte d’Ivoire.

Now, name me a Western country that curbs its extremism.

Not a majority muslim country.

Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada...

I'm bored already.

Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Oman, Jordan, off the top of my head.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Honestly I think it's best for the Afghan people to start moving to other countries before the Taliban take over the entire country. I say moving to either Europe or Asia will be a lot better than being under Taliban rule.

Just maybe not France...

And China too... Both those places can be dangerous if your Muslim.

[Ostroeuropa]

Can you tell me of an Islamic country that does manage to curb extreme Islamic interpretations?

Turkey and Iran did quite well until the late 1970s in this regard.

So a western puppet government, and a government that explicitly said "We need to become more western and abandon all this religious shit".

Curious.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Pakistan’s inability to curb extreme Islamic interpretations. That’s an issue Pakistan must deal with, under international pressure and support. The Afghan government requires support to delegitimise the Taliban, rather than continuing to give the Taliban justification to continue their war upon civilised society. I’m personally uncertain about the US withdrawing, but the thing that is clear is that it isn’t the Afghanis who’re at all at fault in this situation, only the Taliban and the ongoing US occupation.

Can you tell me of an Islamic country that does manage to curb extreme Islamic interpretations?

I’m not knowledgeable to give an example answer on that question, but that’s besides the point. The issue isn’t the Afghani people, it isn’t the Afghani state. It is the Taliban, whose origins does not lie in Afghanistan itself but was borne from war children given sanctuary from the Soviet war in Afghanistan by Pakistani imams. Their ideas have since spread because of the Taliban’s continued recruitment of locals, who’re clueless of the wider context (due to Afghanistan being a poor and undeveloped country), and see only an invader and a group willing to take them in and train them to fight for their country. What needs to happen is support for the government in Kabul to continue and intensify, as well as delegitimisation of the Taliban.

[Heloin]

I blame Rambo.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Honestly I think it's best for the Afghan people to start moving to other countries before the Taliban take over the entire country. I say moving to either Europe or Asia will be a lot better than being under Taliban rule.

Thats a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. And also betrays lack of knowledge of the situation in Afghanistan. Those with money and education already packing their suitcases likely. The rest of the mass of the afghan population is on a very low level in general.

Yeah I'm aware that not many Afghans can afford to move to another nation it's a sad thing honestly. But for those who can actually leave, I hope they get out of there as soon as possible.

[Nakena]

So a western puppet government, and a government that explicitly said "We need to become more western and abandon all this religious shit".

Curious.

Turkey never had a western puppet government. The turkish republic gained their independence and current terretorial form specifically in a war against all odds and the WW1 entente powers.

[Insaanistan]

Côte d’Ivoire.

Now, name me a Western country that curbs its extremism.

Not a majority muslim country.

Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada...

I'm bored already.

50% Muslim, 41% Christian, 5% Animist is majority Muslim, dude.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada
God, did you try looking any of this up?

[Insaanistan]

Just maybe not France...

And China too... Both those places can be dangerous if your Muslim.

Or India, or Myanmar, or Hungary...

[Ostroeuropa]

So a western puppet government, and a government that explicitly said "We need to become more western and abandon all this religious shit".

Curious.

Turkey never had a western puppet government. The turkish republic gained their independence and current terretorial form specifically in a war against all odds and the WW1 entente powers.

I got the order reversed on those.

Not a majority muslim country.

Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada...

I'm bored already.

50% Muslim, 41% Christian, 5% Animist is majority Muslim, dude.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada
God, did you try looking any of this up?

The existence of extremists is not the same thing as curbing their influence to harm people outside the nation in question.

[Insaanistan]

Turkey never had a western puppet government. The turkish republic gained their independence and current terretorial form specifically in a war against all odds and the WW1 entente powers.

I got the order reversed on those.

50% Muslim, 41% Christian, 5% Animist is majority Muslim, dude.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada
God, did you try looking any of this up?

The existence of extremists is not the same thing as curbing their influence to harm people outside the nation in question.

So basically, extremism is only a problem if it hurts people OUTSIDE the nation and not inside? In that case, why fight the Taliban?: they haven’t really attacked outside Afghanistan and Pakistan minus 9/11.

Extremists in Scandinavia and Canada have attacked mosques and killed people. Does it not matter simply because it wasn’t across the border?

[Gongsi]

Not a majority muslim country.

Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada...

I'm bored already.

50% Muslim, 41% Christian, 5% Animist is majority Muslim, dude.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada
God, did you try looking any of this up?

From what I can find, Ivory Coast is 44% Christian, 37.2% Muslim as of 2020.

[Suriyanakhon]

I got the order reversed on those.



The existence of extremists is not the same thing as curbing their influence to harm people outside the nation in question.

So basically, extremism is only a problem if it hurts people OUTSIDE the nation and not inside? In that case, why fight the Taliban?: they haven’t really attacked outside Afghanistan and Pakistan minus 9/11.

Bloody hell that take is so fascistic and amoral. This is what imperialism does to your brain.

[Ostroeuropa]

So basically, extremism is only a problem if it hurts people OUTSIDE the nation and not inside? In that case, why fight the Taliban?: they haven’t really attacked outside Afghanistan and Pakistan minus 9/11.

Extremists in Scandinavia and Canada have attacked mosques and killed people. Does it not matter simply because it wasn’t across the border?

They haven't since 9/11 because we took the fight to them.

It's a problem if it's only internal. It's just not *someone elses* problem too.

I can, if I like, huff paint all day long. My neighbor is not likely to come over and force me to stop.

Now on the other hand, if i'm pumping paint fumes into his house, he might, just might, feel the need to come over and force me to stop.

Nations have remit to deal with their own problems. If they become other countries problems too, then that country has an interest and depending on the severity, a right, to interfere and impose a solution.

[Gongsi]

So basically, extremism is only a problem if it hurts people OUTSIDE the nation and not inside? In that case, why fight the Taliban?: they haven’t really attacked outside Afghanistan and Pakistan minus 9/11.

Extremists in Scandinavia and Canada have attacked mosques and killed people. Does it not matter simply because it wasn’t across the border?

They haven't since 9/11 because we took the fight to them.

It's a problem if it's only internal. It's just not *someone elses* problem too.

I can, if I like, huff paint all day long. My neighbor is not likely to come over and force me to stop.

Now on the other hand, if i'm pumping paint fumes into his house, he might, just might, feel the need to come over and force me to stop.

But what about current internal problems that can become very external if not dealt with? Like, say, the Soviet Union. The 1917 Revolution was an internal problem, but doing nothing caused it to be an external problem for basically the entire world.

[Ostroeuropa]

They haven't since 9/11 because we took the fight to them.

It's a problem if it's only internal. It's just not *someone elses* problem too.

I can, if I like, huff paint all day long. My neighbor is not likely to come over and force me to stop.

Now on the other hand, if i'm pumping paint fumes into his house, he might, just might, feel the need to come over and force me to stop.

But what about current internal problems that can become very external if not dealt with? Like, say, the Soviet Union. The 1917 Revolution was an internal problem, but doing nothing caused it to be an external problem for basically the entire world.

Certainly. That is something we can discuss seriously and there's a wealth of debate to be had about the merit of preventative action and so on.

[J o J]

Get U.S. troops out of there and get them home. Afghanistan is not America's problem, and the people of Afghanistan should sort it out themselves. Our men and women are risking and sometimes losing their lives over there for people who largely follow a religion that calls for them to hate us. We tried to help and it didn't work. Let's get our guys out and leave the unrest and fighting to them. It's too late to change the situation, and we can't dwell on the past about who is to blame, just get America's men and women home and let the natives sort it out.

[Insaanistan]

50% Muslim, 41% Christian, 5% Animist is majority Muslim, dude.
Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Canada
God, did you try looking any of this up?

From what I can find, Ivory Coast is 44% Christian, 37.2% Muslim as of 2020.

This says as of 2019 it’s the values I put: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... koGpTNiOQQ
Wikipedia says it’s 42.9% Muslim, 33.9% Christian and 3.6% animist: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... gy7tsaVXB3

[Insaanistan]

So basically, extremism is only a problem if it hurts people OUTSIDE the nation and not inside? In that case, why fight the Taliban?: they haven’t really attacked outside Afghanistan and Pakistan minus 9/11.

Bloody hell that take is so fascistic and amoral. This is what imperialism does to your brain.

Indeed.

[Ostroeuropa]

Get U.S. troops out of there and get them home. Afghanistan is not America's problem, and the people of Afghanistan should sort it out themselves. Our men and women are risking and sometimes losing their lives over there for people who largely follow a religion that calls for them to hate us. We tried to help and it didn't work. Let's get our guys out and leave the unrest and fighting to them. It's too late to change the situation, and we can't dwell on the past about who is to blame, just get America's men and women home and let the natives sort it out.

And if the Taliban attack us again?

[Insaanistan]

Get U.S. troops out of there and get them home. Afghanistan is not America's problem, and the people of Afghanistan should sort it out themselves. Our men and women are risking and sometimes losing their lives over there for people who largely follow a religion that calls for them to hate us. We tried to help and it didn't work. Let's get our guys out and leave the unrest and fighting to them. It's too late to change the situation, and we can't dwell on the past about who is to blame, just get America's men and women home and let the natives sort it out.

You did just hear that the Taliban have launched over 140 attacks in the last couple of days, right?

[Heloin]

From what I can find, Ivory Coast is 44% Christian, 37.2% Muslim as of 2020.

This says as of 2019 it’s the values I put: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... koGpTNiOQQ
Wikipedia says it’s 42.9% Muslim, 33.9% Christian and 3.6% animist: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... gy7tsaVXB3

Wikipedia does not say what you just said.