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https://farsi.alarabiya.net/afghanistan/2022/05/13/سفیر-اتحادیه-اروپا-در-افغانستان-از-افزایش-خشونت-ها-در-این-کشور-ابراز-نگرانی-کرد
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Postby Fahran » Sat May 14, 2022 1:39 pm

The Panjshir Valley wrote:I disagree. It's newsworthy because this is the first time it has been implemented as law since their return to power, and goes against what they had been promising to the world since August. In less than a year, they have completely rolled back the status of women after a generation of internationally-sponsored gains. There have also been news blurbs about them needing a male relative to leave the house, and even prohibitions on them being at restaurants or parks, regardless of a male relative being present.

They banned girls from attending schools and women from working in hospitals to a significant degree in a bid to encourage gender segregation within a month or three of taking power in some places. They promised that the ban on girls attending school would be temporary, until they could establish distinct schools for girls, but they don't exactly have abundant resources or the will to do that in a serious way in many instances. And they had to walk back the ban on women in hospitals when they realized it was insanely idiotic. Like... the Taliban is pretty much in the same spot on women's rights as they were twenty years ago. All that's changed is the society they're trying to impose their barbarism on.

The Panjshir Valley wrote:The only promise they really have left to break is hosting transnational terror networks, which Pakistan will argue they are doing with sheltering the Pakistani Taliban, and Hekmatyar Gulbuddin (not part of the Taliban, but former Pashtun warlord and independently fought the coalition for most of the war, and Taliban officials recently appeared praying with him) has just advocated for hosting Islamists who would commit terror in Tajikistan. We'll see if the Taliban take up his suggestion; at this rate....

I honestly don't care if they host Pakistani terror organizations. That's not the West's problem so long as the terrorism is directed solely at Pakistan - where elements of the government, intelligence community, and military funded and supported these organizations pretty much since 1996.
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Postby Adamede » Sun May 15, 2022 11:19 am

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Insaanistan wrote:
You can pretend that the Northern Alliance of the 1990s is the same of the NRF, but we live outside your fantasy world.

Insaanistan wrote:Yessir!


You have the consistency of a coin flip.

Coin flips are actually rather consistent. If you get a third side there's something up.

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Postby Evil Wolf » Mon May 16, 2022 3:27 pm

This current Taliban 2.0 seems to copy the exact same path the original Taliban followed in the 90's.

Seize power: promise cooperation, rights, rule of law and forgiveness. Then shun all cooperation, rule the country as a One-Party dictatorship all the while blaming others for "not cooperating", roll back rights while blaming the West for not getting your "traditions", murder former enemies and blame bandits or call the victims bandits, fail to establish any meaningful rule of law and let your commanders rule as warlords, let the people starve as a consequence and blame the West for everything, then start openly attacking ethnic minorities for basically no reason, but blame rebellion and disloyalty.

Following this model, the next stages include: Attempts at ethnic cleansing, pissing off Iran even more for no reason, and hosting Terror Groups that target Western nations, to be later integrated into the Taliban government and military.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 16, 2022 4:21 pm

Evil Wolf wrote:This current Taliban 2.0 seems to copy the exact same path the original Taliban followed in the 90's.

Seize power: promise cooperation, rights, rule of law and forgiveness. Then shun all cooperation, rule the country as a One-Party dictatorship all the while blaming others for "not cooperating", roll back rights whiling blame the West for not getting your "traditions", murder former enemies and blame bandits or call the victims bandits, fail to establish any meaningful rule of law and let your commanders rule as warlords, let the people starve as a consequence and blame the West for everything, then start openly attacking ethnic minorities for basically no reason, but blame rebellion and disloyalty.

Following this model, the next stages include: Attempts at ethnic cleansing, pissing off Iran even more for no reason, and hosting Terror Groups that target Western nations, to be later integrated into the Taliban government and military.


They're already at least somewhat hosting foreign terror groups. TTP has been seen using gear that the Afghan Taliban seized which points to some sort of coordination between the two.
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Postby Fahran » Mon May 16, 2022 4:28 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:They're already at least somewhat hosting foreign terror groups. TTP has been seen using gear that the Afghan Taliban seized which points to some sort of coordination between the two.

If they start hosting terrorist organizations that target the West again, can we just install a modernizing dictator who can keep at least some Pashtuns and Islamists on side this time? Mohammed Daoud Khan 2: Electric Boogaloo.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue May 17, 2022 1:26 pm

Tajikistan May Attempt to Play a More Active Role in Afghanistan While Russia is Busy With Ukraine

Now I’m just imagining Tajikistan waiting until Russia’s not looking and shoving a bunch of guns into the NRF’s arms.
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Postby Nociav » Wed May 18, 2022 2:10 am

Evil Wolf wrote:
Nociav wrote:You have the consistency of a coin flip.


Forgive me if I'm wrong (which I'm not), but he made that second comment three days after the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan effectively ceased to exist. The NRF was barely even an idea then and it was basically just an outline of regionally specific local warlords going "AW FUCK NAH!" to the rise of Taliban 2.0, the guys we can now firmly say regarding: "Hey, remember how the first Taliban government sucked? Nothing changed."

One can be forgiven for not being able to foresee nearly a year into the future and for making a snap comment right after the catastrophic overthrow of the government by the same hyper-extremist tribal radicals that fucked up the country twenty years prior.


"an outline of regionally specific local warlords", what? On that day, it was the Massoudkhel and Saleh meeting to form a "resistance" and it's still the Massoudkhel and Saleh. Massoud Jr. also attached himself to the Northern Alliance on that very day. So, what's changed for Insaanistan? For the record, I never called the NRF the Northern Alliance. I was looking to see how Insaanistan would settle their inconsistency.

Unless I've made a mistake, I've only ever called the NRF what they are, Jamiat. I'm not the only one who sees through Jamiat's charade, here's RAWA:

"The treacherous Jehadis, these brethren-in-creed of the Taliban, who are one of the main causes of today’s miseries were immediately thrown away as they did not have any real foundation of support from the people. However, they are still falsely chanting the slogan of “national resistance” from their hiding places and they need to be unmasked for their true nature so they do not deceive our injured nation once more."

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed May 18, 2022 3:16 am

Nociav wrote:
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Forgive me if I'm wrong (which I'm not), but he made that second comment three days after the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan effectively ceased to exist. The NRF was barely even an idea then and it was basically just an outline of regionally specific local warlords going "AW FUCK NAH!" to the rise of Taliban 2.0, the guys we can now firmly say regarding: "Hey, remember how the first Taliban government sucked? Nothing changed."

One can be forgiven for not being able to foresee nearly a year into the future and for making a snap comment right after the catastrophic overthrow of the government by the same hyper-extremist tribal radicals that fucked up the country twenty years prior.


"an outline of regionally specific local warlords", what? On that day, it was the Massoudkhel and Saleh meeting to form a "resistance" and it's still the Massoudkhel and Saleh. Massoud Jr. also attached himself to the Northern Alliance on that very day. So, what's changed for Insaanistan? For the record, I never called the NRF the Northern Alliance. I was looking to see how Insaanistan would settle their inconsistency.

Unless I've made a mistake, I've only ever called the NRF what they are, Jamiat. I'm not the only one who sees through Jamiat's charade, here's RAWA:

"The treacherous Jehadis, these brethren-in-creed of the Taliban, who are one of the main causes of today’s miseries were immediately thrown away as they did not have any real foundation of support from the people. However, they are still falsely chanting the slogan of “national resistance” from their hiding places and they need to be unmasked for their true nature so they do not deceive our injured nation once more."

Massoud said
“The flag of the National Resistance Front will fly over every position that they attempt to take, as the National United Front flag flew 20 years ago.”

Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but “Just like the last guys who fought the Taliban, we’re gonna fight the Taliban” is not the same as “We are the group who fought the Taliban last time. We are the Northern Alliance.”

Nothing changed for me except that the NRF actually got a name, and people started calling it “NRF” instead of Second Northern Alliance or Resistance 2.0.
Do you just have amnesia in regards to anything last year other than the Taliban taking over Kabul?
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Nociav wrote:Unless I've made a mistake, I've only ever called the NRF what they are, Jamiat. I'm not the only one who sees through Jamiat's charade, here's RAWA:


If the following is the case, it seems like Jamiat is moving without the NRF. This is the second time now I've seen something on Twitter about the old boys getting together without the presence of Saleh, Massoud Jr., Nazary or Ahmadi.

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Evil Wolf wrote:This current Taliban 2.0 seems to copy the exact same path the original Taliban followed in the 90's.

Seize power: promise cooperation, rights, rule of law and forgiveness. Then shun all cooperation, rule the country as a One-Party dictatorship all the while blaming others for "not cooperating", roll back rights while blaming the West for not getting your "traditions", murder former enemies and blame bandits or call the victims bandits, fail to establish any meaningful rule of law and let your commanders rule as warlords, let the people starve as a consequence and blame the West for everything, then start openly attacking ethnic minorities for basically no reason, but blame rebellion and disloyalty.

Following this model, the next stages include: Attempts at ethnic cleansing, pissing off Iran even more for no reason, and hosting Terror Groups that target Western nations, to be later integrated into the Taliban government and military.


I mean, this should surprise no one, especially the ethnic cleansing bit. The Taliban are NOT an Islamist movement, they use political Islam as a rhetorical device for their actual position as a Pashtun supremacy movement.
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Postby Fahran » Wed May 18, 2022 11:58 pm

Xuanzhang wrote:I mean, this should surprise no one, especially the ethnic cleansing bit. The Taliban are NOT an Islamist movement, they use political Islam as a rhetorical device for their actual position as a Pashtun supremacy movement.

The Taliban are absolutely an Islamist movement. That they tend to favor Sunni Pashtuns in ongoing land disputes with Shia Hazaras is as much a function of their religious zeal as it is a natural result of the majority of their southern fighters coming from Pashtun backgrounds. The Taliban aren't nationalists. No serious scholar of Afghan political ideology or history would brand them as a force for Pashtun nationalism in any serious or systemic way. In fact, they probably have more in common with Parsiwan and Tajik Islamists than they do with Mohammed Daoud Khan - which is why at least some Tajik Islamists have become members of the Taliban.
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Insaanistan wrote:Massoud said
“The flag of the National Resistance Front will fly over every position that they attempt to take, as the National United Front flag flew 20 years ago.”

Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but “Just like the last guys who fought the Taliban, we’re gonna fight the Taliban” is not the same as “We are the group who fought the Taliban last time. We are the Northern Alliance.”


Congratulations on your astute observations. Now remind me where I said Massoud called himself the Northern Alliance. As you so eloquently put it, Massoud attached himself to the Northern Alliance's legacy this way.

Insaanistan wrote:Do you just have amnesia in regards to anything last year other than the Taliban taking over Kabul?


You're in no position to ask me if I have amnesia since you totally suppress all memory of Jamiat's war crimes and human rights abuses. For example, the Afshar and Garga massacres.

The Panjshir Valley wrote:If the following is the case, it seems like Jamiat is moving without the NRF. This is the second time now I've seen something on Twitter about the old boys getting together without the presence of Saleh, Massoud Jr., Nazary or Ahmadi.


The only people there or being represented at that meeting who were Jamiatis of any note were Ismail Khan and Atta Noor. The rest were non-Jamiat or minor figures. The Massoudkhel was there, representing Jamiat v2. This case doesn't detract from my opinion. It's Jamiat under rebranding. The two central pillars of Jamiat post-Rabbani were the Massoudkhel and Saleh, both are NRF. Most of its senior leadership is or was Jamiat, for example, Bismillah Khan and Fahim Dashty. Like I said earlier, it's more than just me who sees this.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue May 24, 2022 7:12 am

Nociav wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:Massoud said
“The flag of the National Resistance Front will fly over every position that they attempt to take, as the National United Front flag flew 20 years ago.”

Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but “Just like the last guys who fought the Taliban, we’re gonna fight the Taliban” is not the same as “We are the group who fought the Taliban last time. We are the Northern Alliance.”


Congratulations on your astute observations. Now remind me where I said Massoud called himself the Northern Alliance. As you so eloquently put it, Massoud attached himself to the Northern Alliance's legacy this way.

Insaanistan wrote:Do you just have amnesia in regards to anything last year other than the Taliban taking over Kabul?


You're in no position to ask me if I have amnesia since you totally suppress all memory of Jamiat's war crimes and human rights abuses. For example, the Afshar and Garga massacres.

The Panjshir Valley wrote:If the following is the case, it seems like Jamiat is moving without the NRF. This is the second time now I've seen something on Twitter about the old boys getting together without the presence of Saleh, Massoud Jr., Nazary or Ahmadi.


The only people there or being represented at that meeting who were Jamiatis of any note were Ismail Khan and Atta Noor. The rest were non-Jamiat or minor figures. The Massoudkhel was there, representing Jamiat v2. This case doesn't detract from my opinion. It's Jamiat under rebranding. The two central pillars of Jamiat post-Rabbani were the Massoudkhel and Saleh, both are NRF. Most of its senior leadership is or was Jamiat, for example, Bismillah Khan and Fahim Dashty. Like I said earlier, it's more than just me who sees this.

Ah, yes “Jamiat committed war crimes but Massoud didn’t order or condone them” is the same as saying “Jamiat war crimes? What war crimes?”

It’s also suuuch a surprise that Khan & Dashty joined the NRF when they NRF was literally the only resistance group in Afghanistan & Atta Noor had fled the country. It’s also not like anyone has brought up the initial NRF was just anyone who said “F*ck the Taliban” or that Atta Noor’s Jamiat resistance group is incredibly new.
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Postby Insaanistan » Tue May 24, 2022 7:21 am

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/af ... -rising-it’s-time-let-taliban-fall-20247
^Taliban Counterattacks Fail as NRF Continues to Fight in Northern Afghanistan

Locals, Human Rights Groups Continue to Allege War Crimes by the Taliban as NRF-Taliban Clashes Continue
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