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Postby Immortan Khan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:43 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Interesting news from Iran, members of the Iranian parliament as well as two formers presidents have very openly said Iran should not allow Pakistan to take the role of the US as a foreign imperialist power in Afghanistan. The Quds vs ISI showdown might still happen.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:44 pm

Comerciante wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:4.) An invasion of Japan itself that it was estimated would, if the Japanese fought as fiercely as both sides expected, result in: around a million Allied troops KIA (including all of those POWs being used for hard labour there, who would have been massacred by their captors) , and many more maimed for life; the death of almost all Japanese military personnel within the 'home islands'; and death or maiming for far more Japanese civilians than the atomic bombs affected... Did you know that the Japanese government & military intended to use as many civilians as they could (ordered in the Emperor's "holy" name) as suicide bombers, or just instruct them all to attack the invaders with whatever implements were at hand, which would probably have triggered a "Kill them all, it's the only way to be sure" in many of the Allied troops?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the study that provided the "million Allied troops KIA" was performed years after the war and was used merely to create justifications for the bombings.

The US military had a stockpile of 500,000 unawarded Purple Hearts at the end of WWII, that should give you an idea of what sort of casualties they were anticipating.
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:53 pm

Immortan Khan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Interesting news from Iran, members of the Iranian parliament as well as two formers presidents have very openly said Iran should not allow Pakistan to take the role of the US as a foreign imperialist power in Afghanistan. The Quds vs ISI showdown might still happen.

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Looks like the Iranians aren't just concerned with "Salafi internationalism".
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:53 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Comerciante wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the study that provided the "million Allied troops KIA" was performed years after the war and was used merely to create justifications for the bombings.

The US military had a stockpile of 500,000 unawarded Purple Hearts at the end of WWII, that should give you an idea of what sort of casualties they were anticipating.

Is it still not exhausted?

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Postby Lady Victory » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:55 pm

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The Two Jerseys wrote:The US military had a stockpile of 500,000 unawarded Purple Hearts at the end of WWII, that should give you an idea of what sort of casualties they were anticipating.

Is it still not exhausted?


IIRC it didn't exhaust until rather recently.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:09 pm

Picairn wrote:So really, why would our actions in Iraq 1991 incensed the Islamic world? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

Not the Islamic world, just Osama Bin Ladin. Part of the reason behind his attacks on the US was that he was furious that the United States and NATO were allowed to set up military bases inside Saudi Arabia to fight off Iraq.

Apparently Saudi Arabia was supposed to sit back and wait for Osama Bin Ladin to singlehandedly defeat Saddam himself.

But the fact that the "Crusader-Zionist alliance" was allowed to set foot on the same soil hosting Mecca meant war.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Interesting news from Iran, members of the Iranian parliament as well as two formers presidents have very openly said Iran should not allow Pakistan to take the role of the US as a foreign imperialist power in Afghanistan. The Quds vs ISI showdown might still happen.

Well, duh. They want to assume the role of a foreign imperialist power in Afghanistan.

Vassenor wrote:So much for their stance of “one must stand with the legitimate government and cannot back a coup.”

What grants a government legitimacy though?

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Chess Reloaded wrote:You may not like it but in the eyes of many Afghans, liberalism is a gross neglect of human dignify

Lmao.

I mean... a lot of people actually believe this unironically. I actually don't wholly disagree either, even if I feel like the Taliban and their supporters should be the last people to give lectures on human dignity.

Chess Reloaded wrote:Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?

We really need to start charging these people with treason and treating them as we would folks who deserted to the Nazis.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:00 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:The US military had a stockpile of 500,000 unawarded Purple Hearts at the end of WWII, that should give you an idea of what sort of casualties they were anticipating.

Is it still not exhausted?

Wiki says they had around 120k in stock as of 2000, even with the Iraq and Afghanistan casualties they should still have around 70k left.
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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:34 pm


*Shrugs*

Seems like they haven’t announced their leader yet. Dostum’s probably still drunk.
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Postby South Americanastan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:25 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Fahran wrote:Is that what Dostum has been up to?

*Shrugs*

Seems like they haven’t announced their leader yet. Dostum’s probably still drunk.

Considering his gut, he's probably still drinking, he should be drunk in *checks watch* a week or so.
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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:57 pm

South Americanastan wrote:
Insaanistan wrote:*Shrugs*

Seems like they haven’t announced their leader yet. Dostum’s probably still drunk.

Considering his gut, he's probably still drinking, he should be drunk in *checks watch* a week or so.

Ah, my mistake.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:15 pm

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Christian Confederation wrote:Don't know him but that doesn't disprove my point. Based Move by the US Straight from the art of war

Sai is an actual self-proclaimed nazi.

Like genuinely.

Then we should do everything in our power to deradicalize him
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Postby Chess Reloaded » Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:49 pm

Fahran wrote:.

Chess Reloaded wrote:Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?

We really need to start charging these people with treason and treating them as we would folks who deserted to the Nazis.

That's interestingly exactly how the Meccans looked upon and treated the Muslims trying to emigrate to Medina

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Postby Duvniask » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:51 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Latorik wrote:Sai is an actual self-proclaimed nazi.

Like genuinely.

Then we should do everything in our power to deradicalize him

No.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:14 pm

Chess Reloaded wrote:Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?


Because the UK dislikes the idea of British people killing brown people.
Yes, I realise that is a relatively new thing in British history to care about ;)

But seriously; we saw with ISIS that the people who went to Syria did not go there to "aid the wounded and build wells". They went there to kill and rape. While the "better there than here" thought is understandable some people still feel a bit iffy about that.
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Postby Chess Reloaded » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:20 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Chess Reloaded wrote:Why is the UK considering criminalizing travel to Afghanistan when many, many fundamentalists are trying to move there from the west and facilitating that would be a relatively simple way to remove them from Europe?


Because the UK dislikes the idea of British people killing brown people.
Yes, I realise that is a relatively new thing in British history to care about ;)

But seriously; we saw with ISIS that the people who went to Syria did not go there to "aid the wounded and build wells". They went there to kill and rape. While the "better there than here" thought is understandable some people still feel a bit iffy about that.

A bit like characterizing all the foreign fighters who came to resist Franco as there to kill and rape

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Chess Reloaded wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Because the UK dislikes the idea of British people killing brown people.
Yes, I realise that is a relatively new thing in British history to care about ;)

But seriously; we saw with ISIS that the people who went to Syria did not go there to "aid the wounded and build wells". They went there to kill and rape. While the "better there than here" thought is understandable some people still feel a bit iffy about that.

A bit like characterizing all the foreign fighters who came to resist Franco as there to kill and rape

Not really - it accurately describes the overwhelming majority. People who claimed they went and "tended wounded" were unable to even properly apply bandages when cross examined.

And of course, "jihadi john" was a bit of a PR nightmare.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:35 pm

Chess Reloaded wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Because the UK dislikes the idea of British people killing brown people.
Yes, I realise that is a relatively new thing in British history to care about ;)

But seriously; we saw with ISIS that the people who went to Syria did not go there to "aid the wounded and build wells". They went there to kill and rape. While the "better there than here" thought is understandable some people still feel a bit iffy about that.

A bit like characterizing all the foreign fighters who came to resist Franco as there to kill and rape


So what evidence supports your claims about why they want to go?
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Postby Page » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Chess Reloaded wrote:A bit like characterizing all the foreign fighters who came to resist Franco as there to kill and rape


So what evidence supports your claims about why they want to go?


If a government wants to criminalize a person's foreign travel, it should be on that government to provide the evidence of one's intentions. If I want to go to Kabul and they think I am a terrorist, then they can prove that I am a terrorist, it isn't on me to prove that I only went to Kabul for some innocuous reason like smoking pure Afghan opium.
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Postby Chess Reloaded » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:10 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Chess Reloaded wrote:A bit like characterizing all the foreign fighters who came to resist Franco as there to kill and rape

Not really - it accurately describes the overwhelming majority. People who claimed they went and "tended wounded" were unable to even properly apply bandages when cross examined.

And of course, "jihadi john" was a bit of a PR nightmare.

I'm not disputing most went to be foreign fighters, I'm objecting to your characterization of that. As for Afghanistan, people who want to go there now are interested because the fighting is over, not because there is fighting

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Postby Christian Confederation » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:40 am

Duvniask wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Then we should do everything in our power to deradicalize him

No.

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Postby Herador » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:55 am

Christian Confederation wrote:
Duvniask wrote:No.

If it worked for the clan it can work for him

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