Afghan Conflict: Russian Political Leader Meets With Massoud

[Miternet]

Wait, are you advocating for a harassment campaign against certain people?

Harassment feels a bit underwhelming given we're talking about the literal Taliban.

Don't want our mods agreeing with Nazis. That should be a given.

The mods don't agree with Nazis. They simply take a dim view of flaming.

They take a dim view of flaming Nazis?

[Lady Victory]

Harassment feels a bit underwhelming given we're talking about the literal Taliban.


The mods don't agree with Nazis. They simply take a dim view of flaming.

They take a dim view of flaming Nazis?

They take a dim view of flaming anyone. This includes Nazis, unfortunately.

[Diahon]

I'd rather reject Islam instead.

Reject Abraham, return to Pythagoras.

murdering your best student over irrational numbers is NOT an improvement

[Diahon]

It seems that there is really nothing that can be done about Afghanistan, to start discussing the issue of religion?

How many religious reforms are needed to modernize Islam?

Reject Modernization of Islam
Embrace Islamification of Modernity

see, i'm not opposed to that, as long as it ain't yours

your views and the views of your not-idols aren't conducive to technological innovation, never mind sociopolitical improvement, and even the abbasids were constrained by their debt to greco-roman and persian cultures

and beyond that, you'll inevitably eat us before resorting to autophagia, all in an effort to be pure before allah

so tl;dr:

reject shit

embrace not-shit

[Washington Resistance Army]

Reject Abraham, return to Pythagoras.

murdering your best student over irrational numbers is NOT an improvement

That almost certainly never happened fwiw. The story originates from Iamblichos (3rd century AD) and Pappos (4th century AD) and even between the two there's a fair few differences and discrepancies and both are writing over 700 years after the supposed incident. Even then, Iamblichos' version of the tale doesn't have Pythagoras murder Hippasos, Hippassos dies at sea most probably for attempting to overreach and exceed the bounds of mortal knowledge.

[Fahran]

It seems that there is really nothing that can be done about Afghanistan, to start discussing the issue of religion?

How many religious reforms are needed to modernize Islam?

Reject Modernization of Islam
Embrace Islamification of Modernity

Okay, the basic idea here is based. But I also know you like the Taliban and Deobandis, so Imma have to go with a hard no.

[Fahran]

I'd rather reject Islam instead.

Wtf based Paddy is a thing now??? Why didn't anybody tell me???

Always has been.

[Diahon]

murdering your best student over irrational numbers is NOT an improvement

That almost certainly never happened fwiw. The story originates from Iamblichos (3rd century AD) and Pappos (4th century AD) and even between the two there's a fair few differences and discrepancies and both are writing over 700 years after the supposed incident. Even then, Iamblichos' version of the tale doesn't have Pythagoras murder Hippasos, Hippassos dies at sea most probably for attempting to overreach and exceed the bounds of mortal knowledge.

given they're writing about a guy whose life and achievements are themselves disputed in our time, what's another sordid tale?

[Chess Reloaded]

Reject Modernization of Islam
Embrace Islamification of Modernity

Okay, the basic idea here is based. But I also know you like the Taliban and Deobandis, so Imma have to go with a hard no.

Tweeting about good urbanism and agrarian larps isn't going to do anything contrary to trad hopes

[Saiwania]

Don't want our mods agreeing with Nazis. That should be a given.

Nazism is in the past for me now, and I'd insist that any assertions to the contrary constitute harassment towards me. I tolerate more crap from random users here than I have to, only because I so strongly believe that no one should get in trouble until there is no alternative. For the time being, it is within my right to be a Fascist politically here. With the relevance of climate change, I'm proud to add an environmental component as well to my ideology.

China is supposedly giving $31 million to Afghanistan as tribute to buy the Taliban's future cooperation.

[Jeriga]

Don't want our mods agreeing with Nazis. That should be a given.

Nazism is in the past for me now, and I'd insist that any assertions to the contrary constitute harassment towards me. I tolerate more crap from random users here than I have to, only because I so strongly believe that no one should get in trouble until there is no alternative. For the time being, it is within my right to be a Fascist politically here. With the relevance of climate change, I'm proud to add an environmental component as well to my ideology.

China is supposedly giving $31 million to Afghanistan as tribute to buy the Taliban's future cooperation.

It's within your right, but don't expect respect or anything less than a hostile tone from most reasonable people.

[Christian Confederation]

They take a dim view of flaming Nazis?

They take a dim view of flaming anyone. This includes Nazis, unfortunately.

Calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi wishes down the meaning of the word

[Jeriga]

They take a dim view of flaming anyone. This includes Nazis, unfortunately.

Calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi wishes down the meaning of the word

Hes a self proclaimed fascist and former nazi, dude

[Fahran]

Tweeting about good urbanism and agrarian larps isn't going to do anything contrary to trad hopes

We need to labor to reclaim a voice in the Great Discourse and amass influence within institutions by the merit of our ideas, our morals, and our magnanimity. Until that time, we may, with a wry smile and a wink, adopt the maxim of the leftists that "the personal is political" and, through our lives well-spent and upright, reveal the path society must pursue. They can never discard us because what is good is good and what is beautiful is beautiful.

[Fahran]

Calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi wishes down the meaning of the word

Sai, whom this thread is not about, is a literal, self-declared Nazi and possibly the most misanthropic one I've ever encountered - like some of his statements literally make me want to agree with the leftists who criticized it (fascism) as swirling, violent nihilism given political expression.

[Picairn]

Calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi wishes down the meaning of the word

This proves that you've never seen one of Sai's horrendous takes.

[Just-An-Illusion]

https://youtu.be/JZpaIMSgj7I

This video does a great job exposing the lies of the Taliban... Please do not believe anything the Taliban puts out.

[Sungoldy-China]

A nice article, the other side of Afghanistan that Twitter will not show

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... ghan-women
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One night in 2003, Shakira was jolted awake by the voices of strange men. She rushed to cover herself. When she ran to the living room, she saw, with panic, the muzzles of rifles being pointed at her. The men were larger than she’d ever seen, and they were in uniform. These are the Americans, she realized, in awe. Some Afghans were with them, scrawny men with Kalashnikovs and checkered scarves. A man with an enormous beard was barking orders: Amir Dado.
The U.S. had swiftly toppled the Taliban following its invasion, installing in Kabul the government of Hamid Karzai. Dado, who had befriended American Special Forces, became the chief of intelligence for Helmand Province. One of his brothers was the governor of the Sangin district, and another brother became Sangin’s chief of police. In Helmand, the first year of the American occupation had been peaceful, and the fields once again burst with poppies. Shakira now had two small children, Nilofar and Ahmed. Her husband had returned from Pakistan and found work ferrying bags of opium resin to the Sangin market. But now, with Dado back in charge—rescued from exile by the Americans—life regressed to the days of civil war.
Nearly every person Shakira knew had a story about Dado. Once, his fighters demanded that two young men either pay a tax or join his private militia, which he maintained despite holding his official post. When they refused, his fighters beat them to death, stringing their bodies up from a tree. A villager recalled, “We went to cut them down, and they had been sliced open, their stomachs coming out.” In another village, Dado’s forces went from house to house, executing people suspected of being Taliban; an elderly scholar who’d never belonged to the movement was shot dead.
Shakira was bewildered by the Americans’ choice of allies. “Was this their plan?” she asked me. “Did they come to bring peace, or did they have other aims?” She insisted that her husband stop taking resin to the Sangin market, so he shifted his trade south, to Gereshk. But he returned one afternoon with the news that this, too, had become impossible. Astonishingly, the United States had resuscitated the Ninety-third Division—and made it its closest partner in the province. The Division’s gunmen again began stopping travellers on the bridge and plundering what they could. Now, however, their most profitable endeavor was collecting bounties offered by the U.S.; according to Mike Martin, a former British officer who wrote a history of Helmand, they earned up to two thousand dollars per Taliban commander captured.
This posed a challenge, though, because there were hardly any active Taliban to catch. “We knew who were the Taliban in our village,” Shakira said, and they weren’t engaged in guerrilla warfare: “They were all sitting at home, doing nothing.” A lieutenant colonel with U.S. Special Forces, Stuart Farris, who was deployed to the area at that time, told a U.S. Army historian, “There was virtually no resistance on this rotation.” So militias like the Ninety-third Division began accusing innocent people. In February, 2003, they branded Hajji Bismillah—the Karzai government’s transportation director for Gereshk, responsible for collecting tolls in the city—a terrorist, prompting the Americans to ship him to Guantánamo. With Bismillah eliminated, the Ninety-third Division monopolized the toll revenue.
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In 2004, the U.N. launched a program to disarm pro-government militias. A Ninety-third commander learned of the plan and rebranded a segment of the militia as a “private-security company” under contract with the Americans, enabling roughly a third of the Division’s fighters to remain armed. Another third kept their weapons by signing a contract with a Texas-based firm to protect road-paving crews. (When the Karzai government replaced these private guards with police, the Ninety-third’s leader engineered a hit that killed fifteen policemen, and then recovered the contract.) The remaining third of the Division, finding themselves subjected to extortion threats from their former colleagues, absconded with their weapons and joined the Taliban.
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Messaging by the U.S.-led coalition tended to portray the growing rebellion as a matter of extremists battling freedom, but nato documents I obtained conceded that Ishaqzais had “no good reason” to trust the coalition forces, having suffered “oppression at the hands of Dad Mohammad Khan,” or Amir Dado. In Pan Killay, elders encouraged their sons to take up arms to protect the village, and some reached out to former Taliban members. Shakira wished that her husband would do something—help guard the village, or move them to Pakistan—but he demurred. In a nearby village, when U.S. forces raided the home of a beloved tribal elder, killing him and leaving his son with paraplegia, women shouted at their menfolk, “You people have big turbans on your heads, but what have you done? You can’t even protect us. You call yourselves men?”
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In this way, Shakira’s tragedies mounted. There was Muhammad, a fifteen-year-old cousin: he was killed by a buzzbuzzak, a drone, while riding his motorcycle through the village with a friend. “That sound was everywhere,” Shakira recalled. “When we heard it, the children would start to cry, and I could not console them.”
Muhammad Wali, an ** cousin: Villagers were instructed by coalition forces to stay indoors for three days as they conducted an operation, but after the second day drinking water had been depleted and Wali was forced to venture out. He was shot.
Khan Muhammad, a seven-year-old cousin: His family was fleeing a clash by car when it mistakenly neared a coalition position; the car was strafed, killing him.
Bor Agha, a twelve-year-old cousin: He was taking an evening walk when he was killed by fire from an Afghan National Police base. The next morning, his father visited the base, in shock and looking for answers, and was told that the boy had been warned before not to stray near the installation. “Their commander gave the order to target him,” his father recalled.
Amanullah, a sixteen-year-old cousin: He was working the land when he was targeted by an Afghan Army sniper. No one provided an explanation, and the family was too afraid to approach the Army base and ask.
Ahmed, an ** cousin: After a long day in the fields, he was headed home, carrying a hot plate, when he was struck down by coalition forces. The family believes that the foreigners mistook the hot plate for an I.E.D.
Niamatullah, Ahmed’s brother: He was harvesting opium when a firefight broke out nearby; as he tried to flee, he was gunned down by a buzzbuzzak.
Gul Ahmed, an uncle of Shakira’s husband: He wanted to get a head start on his day, so he asked his sons to bring his breakfast to the fields. When they arrived, they found his body. Witnesses said that he’d encountered a coalition patrol. The soldiers “left him here, like an animal,” Shakira said.
————————————————
Entire branches of Shakira’s family tree, from the uncles who used to tell her stories to the cousins who played with her in the caves, vanished. In all, she lost sixteen family members. I wondered if it was the same for other families in Pan Killay. I sampled a dozen households at random in the village, and made similar inquiries in other villages, to insure that Pan Killay was no outlier. For each family, I documented the names of the dead, cross-checking cases with death certificates and eyewitness testimony. On average, I found, each family lost ten to twelve civilians in what locals call the American War.

[The Alma Mater]

A nice article, the other side of Afghanistan that Twitter will not show

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021 ... ghan-women
——————————————
One night in 2003, Shakira was jolted awake by the voices of strange men. She rushed to cover herself. When she ran to the living room, she saw, with panic, the muzzles of rifles being pointed at her. The men were larger than she’d ever seen, and they were in uniform. These are the Americans, she realized, in awe. Some Afghans were with them, scrawny men with Kalashnikovs and checkered scarves. A man with an enormous beard was barking orders: Amir Dado.
The U.S. had swiftly toppled the Taliban following its invasion, installing in Kabul the government of Hamid Karzai. Dado, who had befriended American Special Forces, became the chief of intelligence for Helmand Province. One of his brothers was the governor of the Sangin district, and another brother became Sangin’s chief of police. In Helmand, the first year of the American occupation had been peaceful, and the fields once again burst with poppies. Shakira now had two small children, Nilofar and Ahmed. Her husband had returned from Pakistan and found work ferrying bags of opium resin to the Sangin market. But now, with Dado back in charge—rescued from exile by the Americans—life regressed to the days of civil war.
Nearly every person Shakira knew had a story about Dado. Once, his fighters demanded that two young men either pay a tax or join his private militia, which he maintained despite holding his official post. When they refused, his fighters beat them to death, stringing their bodies up from a tree. A villager recalled, “We went to cut them down, and they had been sliced open, their stomachs coming out.” In another village, Dado’s forces went from house to house, executing people suspected of being Taliban; an elderly scholar who’d never belonged to the movement was shot dead.
Shakira was bewildered by the Americans’ choice of allies. “Was this their plan?” she asked me. “Did they come to bring peace, or did they have other aims?” She insisted that her husband stop taking resin to the Sangin market, so he shifted his trade south, to Gereshk. But he returned one afternoon with the news that this, too, had become impossible. Astonishingly, the United States had resuscitated the Ninety-third Division—and made it its closest partner in the province. The Division’s gunmen again began stopping travellers on the bridge and plundering what they could. Now, however, their most profitable endeavor was collecting bounties offered by the U.S.; according to Mike Martin, a former British officer who wrote a history of Helmand, they earned up to two thousand dollars per Taliban commander captured.
This posed a challenge, though, because there were hardly any active Taliban to catch. “We knew who were the Taliban in our village,” Shakira said, and they weren’t engaged in guerrilla warfare: “They were all sitting at home, doing nothing.” A lieutenant colonel with U.S. Special Forces, Stuart Farris, who was deployed to the area at that time, told a U.S. Army historian, “There was virtually no resistance on this rotation.” So militias like the Ninety-third Division began accusing innocent people. In February, 2003, they branded Hajji Bismillah—the Karzai government’s transportation director for Gereshk, responsible for collecting tolls in the city—a terrorist, prompting the Americans to ship him to Guantánamo. With Bismillah eliminated, the Ninety-third Division monopolized the toll revenue.
——————————————————————————
In 2004, the U.N. launched a program to disarm pro-government militias. A Ninety-third commander learned of the plan and rebranded a segment of the militia as a “private-security company” under contract with the Americans, enabling roughly a third of the Division’s fighters to remain armed. Another third kept their weapons by signing a contract with a Texas-based firm to protect road-paving crews. (When the Karzai government replaced these private guards with police, the Ninety-third’s leader engineered a hit that killed fifteen policemen, and then recovered the contract.) The remaining third of the Division, finding themselves subjected to extortion threats from their former colleagues, absconded with their weapons and joined the Taliban.
——————————————————————
Messaging by the U.S.-led coalition tended to portray the growing rebellion as a matter of extremists battling freedom, but nato documents I obtained conceded that Ishaqzais had “no good reason” to trust the coalition forces, having suffered “oppression at the hands of Dad Mohammad Khan,” or Amir Dado. In Pan Killay, elders encouraged their sons to take up arms to protect the village, and some reached out to former Taliban members. Shakira wished that her husband would do something—help guard the village, or move them to Pakistan—but he demurred. In a nearby village, when U.S. forces raided the home of a beloved tribal elder, killing him and leaving his son with paraplegia, women shouted at their menfolk, “You people have big turbans on your heads, but what have you done? You can’t even protect us. You call yourselves men?”
——————————————————————
In this way, Shakira’s tragedies mounted. There was Muhammad, a fifteen-year-old cousin: he was killed by a buzzbuzzak, a drone, while riding his motorcycle through the village with a friend. “That sound was everywhere,” Shakira recalled. “When we heard it, the children would start to cry, and I could not console them.”
Muhammad Wali, an ** cousin: Villagers were instructed by coalition forces to stay indoors for three days as they conducted an operation, but after the second day drinking water had been depleted and Wali was forced to venture out. He was shot.
Khan Muhammad, a seven-year-old cousin: His family was fleeing a clash by car when it mistakenly neared a coalition position; the car was strafed, killing him.
Bor Agha, a twelve-year-old cousin: He was taking an evening walk when he was killed by fire from an Afghan National Police base. The next morning, his father visited the base, in shock and looking for answers, and was told that the boy had been warned before not to stray near the installation. “Their commander gave the order to target him,” his father recalled.
Amanullah, a sixteen-year-old cousin: He was working the land when he was targeted by an Afghan Army sniper. No one provided an explanation, and the family was too afraid to approach the Army base and ask.
Ahmed, an ** cousin: After a long day in the fields, he was headed home, carrying a hot plate, when he was struck down by coalition forces. The family believes that the foreigners mistook the hot plate for an I.E.D.
Niamatullah, Ahmed’s brother: He was harvesting opium when a firefight broke out nearby; as he tried to flee, he was gunned down by a buzzbuzzak.
Gul Ahmed, an uncle of Shakira’s husband: He wanted to get a head start on his day, so he asked his sons to bring his breakfast to the fields. When they arrived, they found his body. Witnesses said that he’d encountered a coalition patrol. The soldiers “left him here, like an animal,” Shakira said.
————————————————
Entire branches of Shakira’s family tree, from the uncles who used to tell her stories to the cousins who played with her in the caves, vanished. In all, she lost sixteen family members. I wondered if it was the same for other families in Pan Killay. I sampled a dozen households at random in the village, and made similar inquiries in other villages, to insure that Pan Killay was no outlier. For each family, I documented the names of the dead, cross-checking cases with death certificates and eyewitness testimony. On average, I found, each family lost ten to twelve civilians in what locals call the American War.

I think deep down everybody knows that the nation founded on genocide and slavery, that has been at war for almost all of its existence and the only one to use nukes on a civlian population, was never "the good guy".

[Chess Reloaded]

The International Union of Muslim Scholars (IUMS) has congratulated Mullah Muhammad Hasan Akhund on becoming acting prime minister of Afghanistan

[Vassenor]

The International Union of Muslim Scholars (IUMS) has congratulated Mullah Muhammad Hasan Akhund on becoming acting prime minister of Afghanistan

So much for their stance of “one must stand with the legitimate government and cannot back a coup.”

[Diahon]

I think deep down everybody knows that the nation founded on genocide and slavery, that has been at war for almost all of its existence and the only one to use nukes on a civlian population, was never "the good guy".

when you got a taliban not-fanboy relentlessly spreading good cheer about his not-idols, you make do with the shit you got, who at least can be whipped up into democratic shape

[Washington Resistance Army]

I can't link any of it sadly but man there's a LOT of damning videos coming out of Afghanistan right now. ISIS style beheading clips, indiscriminate murder of anyone local Taliban commanders deem to be an enemy even when bystanders are saying they're not affiliated with the government, protestors being killed etc etc.

Can't say I'm surprised any of this is happening because barbarians are gonna barbarian but damn that sucks for all the people having to live through this.

[Diahon]

I can't link any of it sadly but man there's a LOT of damning videos coming out of Afghanistan right now. ISIS style beheading clips, indiscriminate murder of anyone local Taliban commanders deem to be an enemy even when bystanders are saying they're not affiliated with the government, protestors being killed etc etc.

Can't say I'm surprised any of this is happening because barbarians are gonna barbarian but damn that sucks for all the people having to live through this.

send me links through tg, if you can
i need to see what the us has let be
i can take it

[Archinstinct]

I think deep down everybody knows that the nation founded on genocide and slavery, that has been at war for almost all of its existence and the only one to use nukes on a civlian population, was never "the good guy".

I think deep down, everybody who's not gullible will look at this shit and realize it's fake.