Afghan Conflict: Russian Political Leader Meets With Massoud

[The Reformed American Republic]

I'm aware of the bloody code, but I wouldn't call that "just." Plus, where are you going with this? The bloody code was repealed and rightfully so.

It's called exporting Enlightenment values to a country who's never even heard of the Enlightenment.

And I will mock barbarism for what it is.

[Punished UMN]

The English "barbaric code" post-dates the Taliban code by about 800 years. Did the English "regress" from "progress", or did they simply have a different law for their time?



True. They have a "more civilized" law than the English did 300 years ago, if we define "civilized law" as "doesn't kill people for theft". I guess that means the Taliban are more civilized than the British Empire despite being older? Or you can accept that laws and social cultures are not linear, that Hegel was wrong, and that the Taliban law seems to fit Afghanistan more than modern Western values fit Afghanistan. A bunch of rural peasant Islamic farmers rejecting secular Western values in favor of rural Islamic values? I'm shooketh.

Oh, the ridiculous lengths cultural relativists will go to.

Just as a devil's advocate, what exactly is the argument against cultural relativism?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It's called exporting Enlightenment values to a country who's never even heard of the Enlightenment.

And I will mock barbarism for what it is.

Sure, you do that while I call the unfettered capitalism your country is on barbarism.

[Lady Arcana]

Oh look.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/08/15/afghanistan-taliban-fighters-enter-kabul/8141644002/

The ANA put so much blood, effort, and sweat into their current lot that they folded in eight weeks lol. The Taliban didn't have to fight to conquer Afghanistan. They had to drive around and tell headmen they were in charge in every village they passed through. The headmen just nodded and waved them off.

That took about eight weeks since they were pub crawling around the border areas instead of going straight to Kabul.

The Afghan Army and Police haven't been paid in about a year.

[Chess Guy]

It is looking like today is going to be Afghanistan's new independence day. When the return of the Islamic Emirate is proclaimed.

B-bro?

[Diarcesia]

The English "barbaric code" post-dates the Taliban code by about 800 years. Did the English "regress" from "progress", or did they simply have a different law for their time?



True. They have a "more civilized" law than the English did 300 years ago, if we define "civilized law" as "doesn't kill people for theft". I guess that means the Taliban are more civilized than the British Empire despite being older? Or you can accept that laws and social cultures are not linear, that Hegel was wrong, and that the Taliban law seems to fit Afghanistan more than modern Western values fit Afghanistan. A bunch of rural peasant Islamic farmers rejecting secular Western values in favor of rural Islamic values? I'm shooketh.

Oh, the ridiculous lengths cultural relativists will go to.

They don't advocate cultural relativism. They explain how it is.

And with regards to advocating cultural absolutism given the assumption cultural relativism is bad... it does seem coincidental that what is "right" happens to have a lot of overlap with what is Western. Curious. I'm talking about a seemingly unsaid implication that if cultural absolutism is correct, those values should be imposed.

[Gallia-]

This one, obviously. Cutting off hands is rather preferable to the English solution even, at least for the looter.

Taliban cut off your hand for stealing a motorcycle.
The English drop hang you so that motorcycles won't be stolen.

What's worse, the law from AD 1776 or the law from AD 1000?

I'm aware of the bloody code, but I wouldn't call that "just." Plus, where are you going with this? The bloody code was repealed and rightfully so.

I'm saying that societies don't progress linearly. They exist within specific cultures.

If you argue that the Taliban are primitive you're falling into the trap that Edward Said mentions in Orientalism. The Taliban are primitive, feminine, effete, and barbaric. They need to be civilized by White Men who will brandish guns, shoot interlopers, and establish a reign that will convert these wayward savages to a more civilized and enlightened viewpoint. Except the British Empire and whatnot were clever enough to realize that the White Man's Burden is nonsense and just used their colonies for mineral wealth extraction. The United States has Mexico and Canada for this so it's hardly starved for imperial exploited labor forces.

It was just the US State Department unironically believing what a lot of people believe in this thread: That there is a white man's burden needing to be pushed onto the Pashtuns and Afghan Taliban because they are savages who live in mud huts or something I guess. It's raw, unironic colonialism with a tinge of benevolent racism. Yuck.

[Kowani]

Complete chaos at Kabul international airport

[Diarcesia]

I'm aware of the bloody code, but I wouldn't call that "just." Plus, where are you going with this? The bloody code was repealed and rightfully so.

I'm saying that societies don't progress linearly. They exist within specific cultures.

If you argue that the Taliban are primitive you're falling into the trap that Edward Said mentions in Orientalism. The Taliban are primitive, feminine, effete, and barbaric. They need to be civilized by White Men who will brandish guns, shoot interlopers, and establish a reign that will convert these wayward savages to a more civilized and enlightened viewpoint. Except the British Empire and whatnot were clever enough to realize that the White Man's Burden is nonsense and just used their colonies for mineral wealth extraction. The United States has Mexico and Canada for this so it's hardly starved for imperial exploited labor forces.

It was just the US State Department unironically believing what a lot of people believe in this thread: That there is a white man's burden needing to be pushed onto the Pashtuns and Afghan Taliban because they are savages who live in mud huts or something I guess. It's raw, unironic colonialism with a tinge of benevolent racism. Yuck.

There is also the anxiety and fear that Taliban Afghanistan will export their cultural/moral absolutism on the West.

[Gallia-]

The ANA put so much blood, effort, and sweat into their current lot that they folded in eight weeks lol. The Taliban didn't have to fight to conquer Afghanistan. They had to drive around and tell headmen they were in charge in every village they passed through. The headmen just nodded and waved them off.

That took about eight weeks since they were pub crawling around the border areas instead of going straight to Kabul.

The Afghan Army and Police haven't been paid in about a year.

Small wonder they don't exist then.

Hope they converted all that useless money they now have into goats, cows, and poppy plants or something valuable while they had it.

[Kowani]

Complete chaos at Kabul international airport

Civilian flights cannot leave the Kabul airport because people overwhelm the planes

[The Huskar Social Union]

Complete chaos at Kabul international airport

Christ.

[The Reformed American Republic]

And I will mock barbarism for what it is.

Sure, you do that while I call the unfettered capitalism your country is on barbarism.

And I'm supposed to care? Though I am going to say a society that doesn't cut off hands is better than one that does.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I'm saying that societies don't progress linearly. They exist within specific cultures.

If you argue that the Taliban are primitive you're falling into the trap that Edward Said mentions in Orientalism. The Taliban are primitive, feminine, effete, and barbaric. They need to be civilized by White Men who will brandish guns, shoot interlopers, and establish a reign that will convert these wayward savages to a more civilized and enlightened viewpoint. Except the British Empire and whatnot were clever enough to realize that the White Man's Burden is nonsense and just used their colonies for mineral wealth extraction. The United States has Mexico and Canada for this so it's hardly starved for imperial exploited labor forces.

It was just the US State Department unironically believing what a lot of people believe in this thread: That there is a white man's burden needing to be pushed onto the Pashtuns and Afghan Taliban because they are savages who live in mud huts or something I guess. It's raw, unironic colonialism with a tinge of benevolent racism. Yuck.

There is also the anxiety and fear that Taliban Afghanistan will export their cultural/moral absolutism on the West.

Why would they lmao?

[Diarcesia]

There is also the anxiety and fear that Taliban Afghanistan will export their cultural/moral absolutism on the West.

Why would they lmao?

They the West or they the Taliban?

[Gallia-]

I'm saying that societies don't progress linearly. They exist within specific cultures.

If you argue that the Taliban are primitive you're falling into the trap that Edward Said mentions in Orientalism. The Taliban are primitive, feminine, effete, and barbaric. They need to be civilized by White Men who will brandish guns, shoot interlopers, and establish a reign that will convert these wayward savages to a more civilized and enlightened viewpoint. Except the British Empire and whatnot were clever enough to realize that the White Man's Burden is nonsense and just used their colonies for mineral wealth extraction. The United States has Mexico and Canada for this so it's hardly starved for imperial exploited labor forces.

It was just the US State Department unironically believing what a lot of people believe in this thread: That there is a white man's burden needing to be pushed onto the Pashtuns and Afghan Taliban because they are savages who live in mud huts or something I guess. It's raw, unironic colonialism with a tinge of benevolent racism. Yuck.

There is also the anxiety and fear that Taliban Afghanistan will export their cultural/moral absolutism on the West.

They've never done this and never cared for it. The Taliban just want to rule Afghanistan according to weird Pashtun laws and religion. They are perfectly happy taking money from the West in exchange for mineral rights or whatever. They just have a specific set of laws and beliefs that they govern with. The British learned these laws in the First Anglo-Afghan War, beat them in the Second Anglo-Afghan War, and allowed them total internal sovereignty. In exchange Afghanistan doesn't fall under the Russian yoke, because the British wanted to keep the Russians out of Afghanistan so they wouldn't invade India.

The United States is too dumb to do this though, because it thinks all Muslims are the same or something (muh "radical Islamic terror"), and Afghanistan will probably slip into the PRC's orbit now.

Exporting Islam to the West is what ISIS wants to do. Eventually. Because ISIS took AQ's ideology to its logical extreme. First they need to fight all the other Muslims, establish a Caliphate under the Ummah, and then they can wage war on the West and secular gay atheism. Or something. Taliban are fighting ISIS because they just want to collect taxes I guess.

Lol.

[The Reformed American Republic]

I'm aware of the bloody code, but I wouldn't call that "just." Plus, where are you going with this? The bloody code was repealed and rightfully so.

I'm saying that societies don't progress linearly. They exist within specific cultures.

If you argue that the Taliban are primitive you're falling into the trap that Edward Said mentions in Orientalism. The Taliban are primitive, feminine, effete, and barbaric. They need to be civilized by White Men who will brandish guns, shoot interlopers, and establish a reign that will convert these wayward savages to a more civilized and enlightened viewpoint. Except the British Empire and whatnot were clever enough to realize that the White Man's Burden is nonsense and just used their colonies for mineral wealth extraction. The United States has Mexico and Canada for this so it's hardly starved for imperial exploited labor forces.

It was just the US State Department unironically believing what a lot of people believe in this thread: That there is a white man's burden needing to be pushed onto the Pashtuns and Afghan Taliban because they are savages who live in mud huts or something I guess. It's raw, unironic colonialism with a tinge of benevolent racism. Yuck.

The Taliban are mostly savages, though I'm still for pulling out.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Sure, you do that while I call the unfettered capitalism your country is on barbarism.

And I'm supposed to care? Though I am going to say a society that doesn't cut off hands is better than one that does.

Sure, wage slavery and karoshi are better than cutting hands off for looting. Whatever you say Sahib.

[Senkaku]

Complete chaos at Kabul international airport

Civilian flights cannot leave the Kabul airport because people overwhelm the planes

it’s giving Da Nang more than Saigon tbh :/

[Just-An-Illusion]

Bro, sending people into this country run by the Taliban is sending them to their deaths. I don’t think you realize that the idea you have is about as logical as Jefferson’s idea to send African-Americans back to Ghana and Nigeria.

How many African Americans do the Taliban kill compared to American police?

What the hell?! How are you back? You got deated.

[Salus Maior]

And I'm supposed to care? Though I am going to say a society that doesn't cut off hands is better than one that does.

Sure, wage slavery and karoshi are better than cutting hands off for looting. Whatever you say Sahib.

If you want to join the "shilling for the Taliban" train you can feel free to join Sai's and Chess's chorus.

[Kowani]

Taliban establish checkpoints on the outskirts of Kabul ensuring that no women drive vehicles

[Diarcesia]

How many African Americans do the Taliban kill compared to American police?

What the hell?! How are you back? You got deated.

Just like how Taliban came back from "nonexistence".

[Chess Guy]

How many African Americans do the Taliban kill compared to American police?

What the hell?! How are you back? You got deated.

That's just what they said about the Taliban!

[Azalfia]

After watching the Kabul airport scene, which is of biblical proportions, this is truly the worst timeline.