Biden's Ban on Menthol Cigarettes

[The New California Republic]

...that's a cigar, not a cigarette...

Just admit that America's politics to this extent are increasingly identified with foreign policy. Do you think the ban on menthol cigarettes is democratic ? The prohibitory mentality that prohibits smoking today will try to ban alcohol and porn tomorrow.

Ultimately irrelevant to what I just said.

[Sommelier]

Do not touch people's cigarettes, do not chain personal freedom, so-called democrats. Every individual who has reached the age of 18 has the freedom to menthol cigarettes.

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[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Do not touch people's cigarettes, do not chain personal freedom, so-called democrats. Every individual who has reached the age of 18 has the freedom to menthol cigarettes.

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Just heads up, Trump (a republican) increased the age of smoking from 18 to 21. He also banned vape flavoring.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Do not touch people's cigarettes, do not chain personal freedom, so-called democrats. Every individual who has reached the age of 18 has the freedom to menthol cigarettes.

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Just heads up, Trump (a republican) increased the age of smoking from 18 to 21. He also banned vape flavoring.

This is why I say that Republicans and Democrats are almost the same.Look, I live in the fragmented lands of Byzantium and Ottoman Empire. In the old world, political thoughts can be very extreme. What do you think would happen if America were run by a parliamentary republic ?

[The Alma Mater]

To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.

Agreed. You want to be a junkie ? Fine. But not in front of kids. Keep it at home.

[Suriyanakhon]

To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.

We should go farther and ban the sale of cigarettes in general, since secondhand smoke negatively impacts other people in the household such as children.

[North Washington Republic]

To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.

We should go farther and ban the sale of cigarettes in general, since secondhand smoke negatively impacts other people in the household such as children.

Tobacco smoking is dangerous, and horrible for one’s health. However, prohibition for a high demand product such as Tobacco a horrible idea. We tired this with alcohol, and alcohol DEFINITELY contributes to a lot of society’s ills, but the prohibition is more harmful to society.

[Adamede]

Delete if someone made a thread about this already.

FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

The thing is, Menthol is the flavoring for cigarettes. It creates a cooling sensation in your throat so you don't feel like you're burning your throat, which you are when you smoke.

Also, it is an issue for Black communities as they are targeted with Menthol: Here is a handy article

Then why stop just there?

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To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.

Agreed. You want to be a junkie ? Fine. But not in front of kids. Keep it at home.

The world doesn't revolve around children.

[Sungoldy-China]

Menthol Cigarettes kill the elderly and reduce pension costs
or the disease caused by Menthol Cigarettes leads to the increase in medical costs,


Before seeing the specific report, I can only assume Menthol Cigarettes are killing people so slowly that medical expenses exceed pension expenses?

[Sommelier]

To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.

We should go farther and ban the sale of cigarettes in general, since secondhand smoke negatively impacts other people in the household such as children.

lmao

[Forsher]

Agreed. You want to be a junkie ? Fine. But not in front of kids. Keep it at home.

The world doesn't revolve around children.

Hence: global warming.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We should go farther and ban the sale of cigarettes in general, since secondhand smoke negatively impacts other people in the household such as children.

Tobacco smoking is dangerous, and horrible for one’s health. However, prohibition for a high demand product such as Tobacco a horrible idea. We tired this with alcohol, and alcohol DEFINITELY contributes to a lot of society’s ills, but the prohibition is more harmful to society.

This really isn't true and is a more pop-culture understanding of Prohibition than the actual act. Alcohol consumption did drop fairly heavily during the time but it was undercut by people at all levels of society disagreeing with it and disobeying, something which would have been reduced over time had it been kept in place.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Tobacco smoking is dangerous, and horrible for one’s health. However, prohibition for a high demand product such as Tobacco a horrible idea. We tired this with alcohol, and alcohol DEFINITELY contributes to a lot of society’s ills, but the prohibition is more harmful to society.

This really isn't true and is a more pop-culture understanding of Prohibition than the actual act. Alcohol consumption did drop fairly heavily during the time but it was undercut by people at all levels of society disagreeing with it and disobeying, something which would have been reduced over time had it been kept in place.

I doubt it would keep going down. People wanted to drink alcohol and the mob was supplying it. I mean shit we had a war on drugs for almost 50 years and I notice people are still doing heroin and meth. This type of policy doesn't work.

[Michael Federation]

That is very good news indeed we need to stop people from just getting very bad lung cancer from private cigarettes without even knowing

[Forsher]

This really isn't true and is a more pop-culture understanding of Prohibition than the actual act. Alcohol consumption did drop fairly heavily during the time but it was undercut by people at all levels of society disagreeing with it and disobeying, something which would have been reduced over time had it been kept in place.

I doubt it would keep going down. People wanted to drink alcohol and the mob was supplying it. I mean shit we had a war on drugs for almost 50 years and I notice people are still doing heroin and meth. This type of policy doesn't work.

It does work and is working.

The difference with the war on drugs or Prohibition is that no-one actively tried to stamp out usage before making the stuff illegal. In other words, a totally different kind of policy where making it illegal is used to suppress usage.

[Heaven Hieghts]

The world doesn't revolve around children.

Hence: global warming.

Oof.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I doubt it would keep going down. People wanted to drink alcohol and the mob was supplying it. I mean shit we had a war on drugs for almost 50 years and I notice people are still doing heroin and meth. This type of policy doesn't work.

It does work and is working.

The difference with the war on drugs or Prohibition is that no-one actively tried to stamp out usage before making the stuff illegal. In other words, a totally different kind of policy where making it illegal is used to suppress usage.

Drug use was definitely made illegal by the war on drugs. All it did was fill the prisons up, but it didn't stop the drug usage.

[Forsher]

It does work and is working.

The difference with the war on drugs or Prohibition is that no-one actively tried to stamp out usage before making the stuff illegal. In other words, a totally different kind of policy where making it illegal is used to suppress usage.

Drug use was definitely made illegal by the war on drugs. All it did was fill the prisons up, but it didn't stop the drug usage.

Yes, that's what I just said.

Notice how smoking isn't illegal? Does it strike you that maybe tobacco "Prohibition" is completely different to the War on Drugs? in fact, literally the reverse policy?

[Madrinpoor]

Drug use was definitely made illegal by the war on drugs. All it did was fill the prisons up, but it didn't stop the drug usage.

Yes, that's what I just said.

Notice how smoking isn't illegal? Does it strike you that maybe tobacco "Prohibition" is completely different to the War on Drugs? in fact, literally the reverse policy?

That statement literally makes no sense.

[Forsher]

Yes, that's what I just said.

Notice how smoking isn't illegal? Does it strike you that maybe tobacco "Prohibition" is completely different to the War on Drugs? in fact, literally the reverse policy?

That statement literally makes no sense.

1. smoking isn't illegal
2. illegal drugs are illegal
3. clearly, these policies aren't the same

What, exactly, are you not following?

[Diarcesia]

DiD yOu KnoW hItLeR aLsO bAnNeD sMoKiNg?

Jokes aside, good.

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Tobacco smoking is dangerous, and horrible for one’s health. However, prohibition for a high demand product such as Tobacco a horrible idea. We tired this with alcohol, and alcohol DEFINITELY contributes to a lot of society’s ills, but the prohibition is more harmful to society.

This really isn't true and is a more pop-culture understanding of Prohibition than the actual act. Alcohol consumption did drop fairly heavily during the time but it was undercut by people at all levels of society disagreeing with it and disobeying, something which would have been reduced over time had it been kept in place.

That's not what happened with cannabis prohibition. It's been in place for a century and with every subsequent decade more people smoked up and it was more normalized.

[Forsher]

This really isn't true and is a more pop-culture understanding of Prohibition than the actual act. Alcohol consumption did drop fairly heavily during the time but it was undercut by people at all levels of society disagreeing with it and disobeying, something which would have been reduced over time had it been kept in place.

That's not what happened with cannabis prohibition. It's been in place for a century and with every subsequent decade more people smoked up and it was more normalized.

I can't comment on the merits of the equivalence between Prohibition and the illegalisation of cannabis, but I can tell you that if we're looking at how the world relates to cannabis today and how the world relates to tobacco there's only one conclusion: Big Tobacco wants to become Big Cannabis.

The strategies they used to make smoking cool have made cannabis cool.
Of course, "they" probably isn't some looming entity with cannabis, but the point remains: cannabis has fantastic marketing which is exactly the same as how tobacco (and alcohol, while we're here) are.

The Big Lebowski, say, isn't really a film about a stoner. But if you were a company looking to sell cigarettes, you'd want a film that is to cigarettes as The Big Lebowski (and who knows how many more) is to pot. And that's an old movie... if a show tried to depict smoking tobacco in the same way that For All Mankind presents pot, it would be banned under anti-smoking legislation.

And this is why Big Tobacco loooooves the comparison to Prohibition and why smokers, almost exclusively, loooooove the comparison too. To hell with the fact it's completely dissimilar to Prohibition or that the kind of regulations that affect tobacco advertising quite simply do not apply with drug use, everyone wants to go on about how there's a valid comparison to be made. There simply is not. Banning tobacco is like banning DDT... they're only going to do it after the culture war's been won.

Alcohol and drugs? They went from legal to illegal basically overnight. And as we see with cannabis, none of the limitations to media depictions that exist with tobacco apply. It's a great case study, weed I mean, in why "tobacco prohibition" probably would work. is working.

[Tornado Queendom]

Delete if someone made a thread about this already.

FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

Oh great, MORE unrest from Biden due to blacks smoking menthol cigarettes more often. And I thought Shutting Down MegaUpload was stupid. Is Biden supporting blacks or running America into the ground?