Biden's Ban on Menthol Cigarettes

[Just-An-Illusion]

Today it is forbidden to smoke menthol, cannabis and alcohol are forbidden tomorrow. The prohibitory mindset will never win, please leave people alone. The world should gather and tell the United States of America that gun kills more people than cigarettes.

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What do guns have to do with this? I swear every time there's a topic about banning something NSG finds a way to talk about guns.

[North Washington Republic]

Guys enough about prohibition, we arent going back to that time.

“If I Could Turn Back Time”

A far superior version.

[Deacarsia]

“If I Could Turn Back Time”

A far superior version.

For some unfathomable reason, this causes me immense anxiety.

[North Washington Republic]

A far superior version.

For some unfathomable reason, this causes me immense anxiety.

That’s unfortunate. I think it’s bangin’

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Today it is forbidden to smoke menthol, cannabis and alcohol are forbidden tomorrow. The prohibitory mindset will never win, please leave people alone. The world should gather and tell the United States of America that gun kills more people than cigarettes.

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What do guns have to do with this? I swear every time there's a topic about banning something NSG finds a way to talk about guns.

The unwavering mentality of the American government should restrict weapons production instead of banning smoking. Cigarettes that people smoke to relax will never clear the tears from the guns.I want an anti-militarist libertarian president for America.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What do guns have to do with this? I swear every time there's a topic about banning something NSG finds a way to talk about guns.

The unwavering mentality of the American government should restrict weapons production instead of banning smoking. Cigarettes that people smoke to relax will never clear the tears from the guns.I want an anti-militarist libertarian president for America.

Smoking kills more than 10 times as people than guns though. It doesn't even have utilitarian purposes like gun ownership does.

[Senkaku]

The unwavering mentality of the American government should restrict weapons production instead of banning smoking. Cigarettes that people smoke to relax will never clear the tears from the guns.I want an anti-militarist libertarian president for America.

Smoking kills more than 10 times as people than guns though. It doesn't even have utilitarian purposes like gun ownership does.

I'd argue the recreational dopamine hit smoking gives you is a lot more "utilitarian" than having a deadly weapon lying around your home that you're unlikely to do anything with besides commit suicide or a felony

[Infected Mushroom]

Why are cigarettes allowed at all again?

Biden is doing well but I’m not sure it sends a strong enough message that tobacco is unhealthy and tobacco profiteering is a societal problem. He ought to go further.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Smoking kills more than 10 times as people than guns though. It doesn't even have utilitarian purposes like gun ownership does.

I'd argue the recreational dopamine hit smoking gives you is a lot more "utilitarian" than having a deadly weapon lying around your home that you're unlikely to do anything with besides commit suicide or a felony

Given the numbers on DGU incidents range from many tens of thousands to actual millions annually this seems more like an emotional position than one dictated by the numbers.

Why are cigarettes allowed at all again?

Biden is doing well but I’m not sure it sends a strong enough message that tobacco is unhealthy and tobacco profiteering is a societal problem. He ought to go further.

Smoking has mostly died off with younger generations it seems tbh. Honestly you probably could just outright ban it at this point and I'm not even sure how many people under 30 it'd impact.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

The unwavering mentality of the American government should restrict weapons production instead of banning smoking. Cigarettes that people smoke to relax will never clear the tears from the guns.I want an anti-militarist libertarian president for America.

Smoking kills more than 10 times as people than guns though. It doesn't even have utilitarian purposes like gun ownership does.

Do you know how many people died in Syria with the bullets of the terrorist organizations armed by the USA ? Smoking ban means restricting people's freedom to relax. If they really think about people's lives, they stop making weapons and create an unarmed army.

[Immortan Khan]

Smoking kills more than 10 times as people than guns though. It doesn't even have utilitarian purposes like gun ownership does.

Do you know how many people died in Syria with the bullets of the terrorist organizations armed by the USA ? Smoking ban means restricting people's freedom to relax. If they really think about people's lives, they stop making weapons and create an unarmed army.

About 8 million people die per year because of smoking and other forms of tobacco consumption. That is far more than the number of violent deaths per year globally let alone in Syria which is a random thing to bring up to begin with.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Do you know how many people died in Syria with the bullets of the terrorist organizations armed by the USA ? Smoking ban means restricting people's freedom to relax. If they really think about people's lives, they stop making weapons and create an unarmed army.

"Freedom to relax" sounds kind of made up to me. Are the majority of adults who don't smoke (or vape) giving up an opportunity to relax?

Or maybe "relaxing" nothing more than gratification of a craving, which has been making the smoker increasingly irritable and unhappy up until they flick their lighter.

You never realize what a horrible burden on your life nicotine addiction is, until you try to give it up. I'll be honest, I thought I'd done it, but after 6 weeks I went back to it. I don't smoke, or chew tobacco (it apparently gives you mouth cancer) but I'm still a nicotine addict. I'm not at all happy with what that costs.

The fight against smoking should be through education, not a ban on smoking. it does not fix the ban problem, it just hides it.

[Just-An-Illusion]

Smoking kills more than 10 times as people than guns though. It doesn't even have utilitarian purposes like gun ownership does.

Do you know how many people died in Syria with the bullets of the terrorist organizations armed by the USA ? Smoking ban means restricting people's freedom to relax. If they really think about people's lives, they stop making weapons and create an unarmed army.

Bro what does Syria have to do with banning smokes?

[North Washington Republic]

"Freedom to relax" sounds kind of made up to me. Are the majority of adults who don't smoke (or vape) giving up an opportunity to relax?

Or maybe "relaxing" nothing more than gratification of a craving, which has been making the smoker increasingly irritable and unhappy up until they flick their lighter.

You never realize what a horrible burden on your life nicotine addiction is, until you try to give it up. I'll be honest, I thought I'd done it, but after 6 weeks I went back to it. I don't smoke, or chew tobacco (it apparently gives you mouth cancer) but I'm still a nicotine addict. I'm not at all happy with what that costs.

The fight against smoking should be through education, not a ban on smoking. it does not fix the ban problem, it just hides it.

Indeed. Prohibition of menthol cigarettes is going to lead to more violent crime.

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Black people love white people treating them like helpless children who can't make their own decisions, everyone knows that! Right?

This is just another step in a long line of moronic tobacco/nicotine policies in the United States. First you have the fiasco of cities, states, and the feds killing vaping, one of the greatest harm reduction advancements in human history! It especially ramped up after this "EVALI" garbage. For those of you who don't know, there was one specific type of illicit THC cartridge laced with Vitamin E acetate which is very, very poisonous and made people sick, so the government responded by... banning flavored nicotine products?

Let's put this into perspective: Imagine that a single farmer sold black market milk poisoned with cyanide and the government's response was to ban coffee nationwide.

Then with cigarettes, you have the FDA GIVING PEOPLE MORE CANCER by limiting the amount of nicotine in cigarettes. Lower nicotine content doesn't stop addiction! In fact, nicotine addiction has almost nothing to do with the amount in a single dose and everything to do with the frequency of consumption. A person consuming 10 very low nicotine cigarettes throughout the day will get addicted much, much faster than a person inhaling a metric fuckton of nicotine once or twice a day. But what's worse is that nicotine limits will cause smokers to smoke more. We KNOW THIS, because this is what happened with lights. When lights came out, smokers started covering the perforated filters to compensate for the reduction.

If smokers aren't getting an adequate nicotine hit, they will inhale deeper, longer, more frequently, and smoke more cigarettes.

And by the way, all over the country, they're doing the same moronic thing with medicinal cannabis. Banning high THC bud, the dumbest thing you could do. Don't take one little puff of this high THC product to get what you're looking for, no, smoke 4 whole joints of government approved weak-ass shit. Your lungs don't have enough tar in them!

Vaping produces most of the same side effects of regular nicotine/pot smoking, along with the fact that a lot of vape companies targeted high schoolers specifically to get them addicted early in life.

So no, it was not and never has been "One of the greatest harm reeducation advancements in human history!"

No, it doesn't. I switched from smoking to vaping back in 2014. I had constant smokers' cough from cigarettes, I don't have smokers' cough at all now. I can hold my breath for literally twice as long, I don't get tired walking upstairs. And by the way, if you switch from smoking to vaping, your senses of smell and taste come back just like it you quit altogether. I know this because I quit smoking cold turkey twice before I switched to vaping, I know when I could smell and taste things and when not.

The only effects from smoking that are still present in vaping are effects caused by nicotine, because nicotine is the only common ingredient. So high blood pressure can be one (mine is perfect though), you can give yourself a headache from too much nicotine, there are effects but nicotine is a pretty benign drug outside of its high addictive potential.

Vaping is significantly less harmful than smoking, a fact acknowledged by many governments including the British government that encourages those who can't quit to switch over. Meanwhile FDA approved quit smoking drug Chantix MAKES YOU SUICIDAL, but that's an acceptable side effect.

And as for the whole thing of targeting high schoolers, first of all, the combined rate of teen cigarette smoking and teen vaping is still lower than the teen smoking rate before vaping existed. Which means that teen smoking keeps falling, only that those who would have tried cigarettes try vaping instead. And the people who actually make money off teen vaping like the company that makes Juuls are the last ones to be regulated.

Teens get cheap and disposable vapes from sketchy gas stations that don't card. Every small business vape shop I've ever known does card and no one under 18 is allowed inside, so the government claim that flavors target kids is sus when at the shops adult vapers go too, the flavors can never be seen by kids in the first place. But what do governments do? First they impose expensive regulations and taxes that drive the little guy out of business. The socially responsible small businesses that don't advertise and do card collapse under the weight of government regulation. Then they go after online sales and the mail. Why is it that the huge corporations that benefit from underage vaping are the last ones to fall?

It's almost as if they want people to go back to smoking cigarettes. What an unthinkable conspiracy theory! Except... there is this thing called the Master Settlement Agreement tobacco companies have with all the states, and part of it says the more people are smoking cigarettes, the more tobacco companies have to pay out to those states every years. But then comes vaping and people quit smoking faster than anyone could have ever imagined, and that means less cigarette sales, fewer MSA dollars. But the states have already spent the MSA money. They bounced the check. Especially California where totally coincidentally the most insane and baseless regulations on vaping are made.

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Vaping produces most of the same side effects of regular nicotine/pot smoking, along with the fact that a lot of vape companies targeted high schoolers specifically to get them addicted early in life.

So no, it was not and never has been "One of the greatest harm reeducation advancements in human history!"

Pretty sure vapes can also turn into tiny grenades occasionally. I’d rather get cancer than have my mouth blown off. Not that I do smoke or vape, but I’m just adding my two cents.

No. Vapes don't explode. Lithium batteries that power the vapes explode. There is a huge difference. None of these accidents happen because of defects in the device, they happen because of defects in the batteries, the same batteries that power many, many other things.

Basic battery safety almost completely eliminates the potential for accidents. If there is a tear in your battery, you throw it away and replace it with a new one. It's painfully easy to teach battery safety, I could teach anyone all they need to know in literally 5 minutes.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The bans in the EU and other countries are nothing to do with the American obsession with skin colour. It is because young people who smoke menthol cigarettes are more likely to become lifelong smokers than those that smoke non-menthol cigarettes. The menthol inhibits the metabolisation of nicotine, meaning that smokers of menthol cigarettes are exposed to more nicotine and develop a stronger nicotine addiction.

Addiction to anything is not freedom.

[Roblox Crossroads]

Still got cigars and pipes

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The bans in the EU and other countries are nothing to do with the American obsession with skin colour. It is because young people who smoke menthol cigarettes are more likely to become lifelong smokers than those that smoke non-menthol cigarettes. The menthol inhibits the metabolisation of nicotine, meaning that smokers of menthol cigarettes are exposed to more nicotine and develop a stronger nicotine addiction.

Addiction to anything is not freedom.

Addiction isn't caused by increased nicotine exposure in single doses, it's caused by repeated nicotine exposure in separate doses.

A lot of people smoke shisha recreationally. Some once a week, some once a month. A single bowl smoked over the course of an hour is equivalent in nicotine to 4 or 5 cigarettes. Yet many of those people never get addicted.

On the other hand, every smoker you have ever known was at one point smoking a few cigarettes a day, one in the morning, afternoon, night, breakfast, lunch, dinner. And most early smokers don't even finish their cigarettes. They get tiny little doses of nicotine, but they get addicted.

Frequency of consumption, not amount.

Indeed, if menthol in cigarettes means you get more nicotine at once, it would be smarter to ban regulars and make everyone smoke menthols, because then people would be inhaling less smoke and tar overall to get the nicotine hit, and they would die a few months or years later!

[Cameroi]

i would prefer the herb to be the dominant smoke, especially when having to breathe someone else's second hand.
of course i realize where mj has become decriminalized, and a legal and well taxed industry has sprouted up,
typical of the business mentality, is too expensive for that to happen.

it is, i believe one of those discriminations agains the impoverished, for smoke free environments to be available only to those well off.
i just wish, if it were somehow possible, for it to be that other leaf, viva sativa, and all that, which were to be the default smoke.

as for well the topic, its the rolling papers that will kill you. ok i know its not that simple. probably more like pipe and cigar smokers just smoke less or something.
i just really really wish, worshiping "little green pieces of paper", weren't the cost of being able to live where no one else was poisoning your lungs.

so the whole minthol no menthol i have no skin in. never smoked tobacco myself and never wish to.
wish it were easier to find caugh drops without the damd menthol in them though.

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i would prefer the herb to be the dominant smoke, especially when having to breathe someone else's second hand.
of course i realize where mj has become decriminalized, and a legal and well taxed industry has sprouted up,
typical of the business mentality, is too expensive for that to happen.

it is, i believe one of those discriminations agains the impoverished, for smoke free environments to be available only to those well off.
i just wish, if it were somehow possible, for it to be that other leaf, viva sativa, and all that, which were to be the default smoke.

as for well the topic, its the rolling papers that will kill you. ok i know its not that simple. probably more like pipe and cigar smokers just smoke less or something.
i just really really wish, worshiping "little green pieces of paper", weren't the cost of being able to live where no one else was poisoning your lungs.

so the whole minthol no menthol i have no skin in. never smoked tobacco myself and never wish to.
wish it were easier to find caugh drops without the damd menthol in them though.

I like weed as much as the next guy and I think weed should be as legal and minimally regulated as alcohol, but cannabis and nicotine are different drugs the fulfill different purposes.

If I'm at home binge watching nature documentaries, weed would be great. But if I'm about to take an important test, weed is the last thing I want because it makes me hazy, while nicotine will help me focus.

Smoking weed isn't harmless either, inhaling burning plant matter puts tar in your lungs no matter what the plant is. But for most recreational users and medical users, the benefits greatly outweigh the damage of smoking. But vaping and edibles should still be encouraged.

Edibles especially should be promoted because edibles are physically harmless. Edibles have a bad reputation among some weed users because they get illicit edibles from various sources with no idea of the dose and they have a bad experience. But I think with properly measured edibles, most medical and recreational users would learn learn to enjoy them after some trial and error.

Of course, smoking bud still needs to be an option for people who can't be high for so long.

[-Ocelot-]

Delete if someone made a thread about this already.

FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

As a former smoker who has smoked countless brands and flavors, I can tell you this is a good thing. Normal (industrial) cigs have the most awful taste, menthol cigs taste significantly better. Hopefully this will persuade some people to quit instead of switching to normal cigs.

[Infected Mushroom]

Why are cigarettes allowed at all again?

Biden is doing well but I’m not sure it sends a strong enough message that tobacco is unhealthy and tobacco profiteering is a societal problem. He ought to go further.

Smoking has mostly died off with younger generations it seems tbh. Honestly you probably could just outright ban it at this point and I'm not even sure how many people under 30 it'd impact.

If so then that’s fantastic news

I like this.

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I'd argue the recreational dopamine hit smoking gives you is a lot more "utilitarian" than having a deadly weapon lying around your home that you're unlikely to do anything with besides commit suicide or a felony

Given the numbers on DGU incidents range from many tens of thousands to actual millions annually this seems more like an emotional position than one dictated by the numbers.

Why are cigarettes allowed at all again?

Biden is doing well but I’m not sure it sends a strong enough message that tobacco is unhealthy and tobacco profiteering is a societal problem. He ought to go further.

Smoking has mostly died off with younger generations it seems tbh. Honestly you probably could just outright ban it at this point and I'm not even sure how many people under 30 it'd impact.

Totalitarianism impacts all of us regardless of our likes and dislikes.

I think mayonnaise is absolutely disgusting and I hate it so much but if the government tried to ban it, I'd still make proverbial molotovs for the riot. Every inch we give to the state gives them more and more momentum.

And while a mayo ban is not likely, I bet we're only two decades away from sugar ration cards or some other form of governments regulating how much junk food you can buy.

[-Ocelot-]

Given the numbers on DGU incidents range from many tens of thousands to actual millions annually this seems more like an emotional position than one dictated by the numbers.



Smoking has mostly died off with younger generations it seems tbh. Honestly you probably could just outright ban it at this point and I'm not even sure how many people under 30 it'd impact.

Totalitarianism impacts all of us regardless of our likes and dislikes.

I think mayonnaise is absolutely disgusting and I hate it so much but if the government tried to ban it, I'd still make proverbial molotovs for the riot. Every inch we give to the state gives them more and more momentum.

And while a mayo ban is not likely, I bet we're only two decades away from sugar ration cards or some other form of governments regulating how much junk food you can buy.

This is a great point and I'd be against a food ban as well, but you need to draw the line somewhere. If companies sold radon-riddled clothes would banning them be totalitarian? Probably not. Cigs are a chemical disaster, they literally have traces of radioactive components in them that get stuck in the lungs and endlessly bombard the lungs with radiation. And they can infringe on the freedom of others due to the nature of smoke.