by Heaven Hieghts » Tue May 04, 2021 3:46 pm
by Madrinpoor » Tue May 04, 2021 3:50 pm
Heaven Hieghts wrote:Delete if someone made a thread about this already.
FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy
Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes
This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?
by Great Algerstonia » Tue May 04, 2021 3:52 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by New Jacobland » Tue May 04, 2021 3:53 pm
by Page » Tue May 04, 2021 3:57 pm
by Heaven Hieghts » Tue May 04, 2021 3:57 pm
Madrinpoor wrote:Heaven Hieghts wrote:Delete if someone made a thread about this already.
FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy
Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes
This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?
The thing is, Menthol is the flavoring for cigarettes. It creates a cooling sensation in your throat so you don't feel like you're burning your throat, which you are when you smoke.
Also, it is an issue for Black communities as they are targeted with Menthol: Here is a handy article
by New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:00 pm
Page wrote:Black people love white people treating them like helpless children who can't make their own decisions, everyone knows that! Right?
This is just another step in a long line of moronic tobacco/nicotine policies in the United States. First you have the fiasco of cities, states, and the feds killing vaping, one of the greatest harm reduction advancements in human history! It especially ramped up after this "EVALI" garbage. For those of you who don't know, there was one specific type of illicit THC cartridge laced with Vitamin E acetate which is very, very poisonous and made people sick, so the government responded by... banning flavored nicotine products?
Let's put this into perspective: Imagine that a single farmer sold black market milk poisoned with cyanide and the government's response was to ban coffee nationwide.
Then with cigarettes, you have the FDA GIVING PEOPLE MORE CANCER by limiting the amount of nicotine in cigarettes. Lower nicotine content doesn't stop addiction! In fact, nicotine addiction has almost nothing to do with the amount in a single dose and everything to do with the frequency of consumption. A person consuming 10 very low nicotine cigarettes throughout the day will get addicted much, much faster than a person inhaling a metric fuckton of nicotine once or twice a day. But what's worse is that nicotine limits will cause smokers to smoke more. We KNOW THIS, because this is what happened with lights. When lights came out, smokers started covering the perforated filters to compensate for the reduction.
If smokers aren't getting an adequate nicotine hit, they will inhale deeper, longer, more frequently, and smoke more cigarettes.
And by the way, all over the country, they're doing the same moronic thing with medicinal cannabis. Banning high THC bud, the dumbest thing you could do. Don't take one little puff of this high THC product to get what you're looking for, no, smoke 4 whole joints of government approved weak-ass shit. Your lungs don't have enough tar in them!
by Madrinpoor » Tue May 04, 2021 4:06 pm
Heaven Hieghts wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:The thing is, Menthol is the flavoring for cigarettes. It creates a cooling sensation in your throat so you don't feel like you're burning your throat, which you are when you smoke.
Also, it is an issue for Black communities as they are targeted with Menthol: Here is a handy article
I know what the additive is for and understand the lopsided marketing. I bring it up because this doesn't seem like a viable solution whose core, it would seem to me, lies in a lack of accessible healthcare in Black communities.
by Vistulange » Tue May 04, 2021 4:11 pm
Heaven Hieghts wrote:Delete if someone made a thread about this already.
FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy
Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes
This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue May 04, 2021 4:17 pm
by Ethel mermania » Tue May 04, 2021 4:18 pm
by Apostate » Tue May 04, 2021 4:19 pm
Madrinpoor wrote:Heaven Hieghts wrote:
I know what the additive is for and understand the lopsided marketing. I bring it up because this doesn't seem like a viable solution whose core, it would seem to me, lies in a lack of accessible healthcare in Black communities.
Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:36 pm
by New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:39 pm
Apostate wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.
Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.
My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe. My race is not black.
I would say cigs always target the youth, ecigs were the same. Healthcare has nothing to do with it either.
Nanny stating an individuals choice to purchase and use a substance does not deter but rather encourages desire in most teens and young adults, regardless of race, or level of wealth.
Education, as with all things, is the answer. A certain percentage of humanity will simply decide to do opposite what is in their best health interests, be it food, cigs or alcohol.
Punitive taxes diverted to fund that education will serve well to sustain the goal to reduce illness across all communities and races.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:41 pm
Apostate wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.
Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.
My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe. My race is not black.
I would say cigs always target the youth, ecigs were the same. Healthcare has nothing to do with it either.
Nanny stating an individuals choice to purchase and use a substance does not deter but rather encourages desire in most teens and young adults, regardless of race, or level of wealth.
Education, as with all things, is the answer. A certain percentage of humanity will simply decide to do opposite what is in their best health interests, be it food, cigs or alcohol.
Punitive taxes diverted to fund that education will serve well to sustain the goal to reduce illness across all communities and races.
by Honeydewistania » Tue May 04, 2021 4:43 pm
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by Madrinpoor » Tue May 04, 2021 5:01 pm
Apostate wrote:Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.
...nearly 70% of adult African American smokers in California smoke menthol cigarettes, the highest rate of any group.
The tobacco industry has aggressively marketed menthol products to young people and African Americans, especially in urban communities.13 Historically, the tobacco industry’s attempts to maintain a positive image among African Americans have included such efforts as supporting cultural events and making contributions to minority higher education institutions, elected officials, civic and community organizations, and scholarship programs.
Historically, the marketing and promotion of menthol cigarettes have been targeted heavily toward African Americans through culturally tailored advertising images and messages.13,14
Over 7 out of 10 African American youth ages 12-17 years who smoke use menthol cigarettes15
African American adults have the highest percentage of menthol cigarette use compared to other racial and ethnic groups.16
Menthol in cigarettes is thought to make harmful chemicals more easily absorbed in the body, likely because menthol makes it easier to inhale cigarette smoke.3,17
Some research shows that menthol cigarettes may be more addictive than non-menthol cigarettes
Menthol products are given more shelf space in retail outlets within African American and other minority neighborhoods
by Galloism » Tue May 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Apostate wrote:
Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.
My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe. My race is not black.
I would say cigs always target the youth, ecigs were the same. Healthcare has nothing to do with it either.
Nanny stating an individuals choice to purchase and use a substance does not deter but rather encourages desire in most teens and young adults, regardless of race, or level of wealth.
Education, as with all things, is the answer. A certain percentage of humanity will simply decide to do opposite what is in their best health interests, be it food, cigs or alcohol.
Punitive taxes diverted to fund that education will serve well to sustain the goal to reduce illness across all communities and races.
Menthol is definitely a black guy thing. There are definitely whites who smoke em but they're really common in the inner city and most folks who I see smoking menthol are African American although my brother does too.
The majority of African Americans who smoke use menthol cigarettes.3
Seven out of 10 African American youth ages 12-17 who smoke use menthol cigarettes.6
A higher percentage of black adults who smoke started by using menthol cigarettes (93%) than white adults who smoke (44%).8
Non-Hispanic black adults have the highest percentage of menthol cigarette use compared to other racial and ethnic groups.6 In 2014-2015, 76.8% of non-Hispanic black adults who smoked usually used menthol cigarettes, compared to 34.7% of Hispanic adults and 24.6% of white adults.9
by Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 5:05 pm
Apostate wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.
Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.
My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe.
by Dakini » Tue May 04, 2021 5:35 pm
New Jacobland wrote:To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.
by Major-Tom » Tue May 04, 2021 6:35 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 7:16 pm
New Jacobland wrote:To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.
by Deacarsia » Tue May 04, 2021 7:20 pm
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