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Biden's Ban on Menthol Cigarettes

Postby Heaven Hieghts » Tue May 04, 2021 3:46 pm

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FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?
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Postby Madrinpoor » Tue May 04, 2021 3:50 pm

Heaven Hieghts wrote:Delete if someone made a thread about this already.

FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

The thing is, Menthol is the flavoring for cigarettes. It creates a cooling sensation in your throat so you don't feel like you're burning your throat, which you are when you smoke.

Also, it is an issue for Black communities as they are targeted with Menthol: Here is a handy article
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Postby New Jacobland » Tue May 04, 2021 3:53 pm

To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.
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Black people love white people treating them like helpless children who can't make their own decisions, everyone knows that! Right?

This is just another step in a long line of moronic tobacco/nicotine policies in the United States. First you have the fiasco of cities, states, and the feds killing vaping, one of the greatest harm reduction advancements in human history! It especially ramped up after this "EVALI" garbage. For those of you who don't know, there was one specific type of illicit THC cartridge laced with Vitamin E acetate which is very, very poisonous and made people sick, so the government responded by... banning flavored nicotine products?

Let's put this into perspective: Imagine that a single farmer sold black market milk poisoned with cyanide and the government's response was to ban coffee nationwide.

Then with cigarettes, you have the FDA GIVING PEOPLE MORE CANCER by limiting the amount of nicotine in cigarettes. Lower nicotine content doesn't stop addiction! In fact, nicotine addiction has almost nothing to do with the amount in a single dose and everything to do with the frequency of consumption. A person consuming 10 very low nicotine cigarettes throughout the day will get addicted much, much faster than a person inhaling a metric fuckton of nicotine once or twice a day. But what's worse is that nicotine limits will cause smokers to smoke more. We KNOW THIS, because this is what happened with lights. When lights came out, smokers started covering the perforated filters to compensate for the reduction.

If smokers aren't getting an adequate nicotine hit, they will inhale deeper, longer, more frequently, and smoke more cigarettes.

And by the way, all over the country, they're doing the same moronic thing with medicinal cannabis. Banning high THC bud, the dumbest thing you could do. Don't take one little puff of this high THC product to get what you're looking for, no, smoke 4 whole joints of government approved weak-ass shit. Your lungs don't have enough tar in them!
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Postby Heaven Hieghts » Tue May 04, 2021 3:57 pm

Madrinpoor wrote:
Heaven Hieghts wrote:Delete if someone made a thread about this already.

FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

The thing is, Menthol is the flavoring for cigarettes. It creates a cooling sensation in your throat so you don't feel like you're burning your throat, which you are when you smoke.

Also, it is an issue for Black communities as they are targeted with Menthol: Here is a handy article


I know what the additive is for and understand the lopsided marketing. I bring it up because this doesn't seem like a viable solution whose core, it would seem to me, lies in a lack of accessible healthcare in Black communities.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:00 pm

Page wrote:Black people love white people treating them like helpless children who can't make their own decisions, everyone knows that! Right?

This is just another step in a long line of moronic tobacco/nicotine policies in the United States. First you have the fiasco of cities, states, and the feds killing vaping, one of the greatest harm reduction advancements in human history! It especially ramped up after this "EVALI" garbage. For those of you who don't know, there was one specific type of illicit THC cartridge laced with Vitamin E acetate which is very, very poisonous and made people sick, so the government responded by... banning flavored nicotine products?

Let's put this into perspective: Imagine that a single farmer sold black market milk poisoned with cyanide and the government's response was to ban coffee nationwide.

Then with cigarettes, you have the FDA GIVING PEOPLE MORE CANCER by limiting the amount of nicotine in cigarettes. Lower nicotine content doesn't stop addiction! In fact, nicotine addiction has almost nothing to do with the amount in a single dose and everything to do with the frequency of consumption. A person consuming 10 very low nicotine cigarettes throughout the day will get addicted much, much faster than a person inhaling a metric fuckton of nicotine once or twice a day. But what's worse is that nicotine limits will cause smokers to smoke more. We KNOW THIS, because this is what happened with lights. When lights came out, smokers started covering the perforated filters to compensate for the reduction.

If smokers aren't getting an adequate nicotine hit, they will inhale deeper, longer, more frequently, and smoke more cigarettes.

And by the way, all over the country, they're doing the same moronic thing with medicinal cannabis. Banning high THC bud, the dumbest thing you could do. Don't take one little puff of this high THC product to get what you're looking for, no, smoke 4 whole joints of government approved weak-ass shit. Your lungs don't have enough tar in them!

Vaping produces most of the same side effects of regular nicotine/pot smoking, along with the fact that a lot of vape companies targeted high schoolers specifically to get them addicted early in life.

So no, it was not and never has been "One of the greatest harm reeducation advancements in human history!"
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Postby Madrinpoor » Tue May 04, 2021 4:06 pm

Heaven Hieghts wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:The thing is, Menthol is the flavoring for cigarettes. It creates a cooling sensation in your throat so you don't feel like you're burning your throat, which you are when you smoke.

Also, it is an issue for Black communities as they are targeted with Menthol: Here is a handy article


I know what the additive is for and understand the lopsided marketing. I bring it up because this doesn't seem like a viable solution whose core, it would seem to me, lies in a lack of accessible healthcare in Black communities.

Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.
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Postby Vistulange » Tue May 04, 2021 4:11 pm

Heaven Hieghts wrote:Delete if someone made a thread about this already.

FDA ban on menthol cigarettes: Bad for criminal justice, health policy

Biden Administration Plans to Propose Banning Menthol Cigarettes

This seems like lazy health policy. If Biden really wanted to support the health of black communities, it seems more effective to invest in public health options in low income communities. While that's expensive and requires personnel to fill the roles necessary, banning menthols seems like a non-solution to extensive and complex problem. I mean, won't menthol smokers just switch to using other forms of tobacco products?

Sure, other, more comprehensive policies would certainly be better, but have you ever smoked a menthol cigarette and then a non-menthol cigarette?

Folks used to menthol cigarettes aren't easily going to pick up non-menthol cigarettes*. It might be lazy, but I wouldn't say it's ineffective.

*Unless there's research on this that concludes otherwise.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue May 04, 2021 4:17 pm

I'm not sure about the racial dimension, but I applaud this decision from the standpoint of youth smoking prevention. I don't know that this will have the same effect of creating a black market as other attempts at drug prohibition, considering that non-menthol cigarettes are a substitute, and reducing the availability of menthols even if it didn't reduce the availability of non-menthols would do wonders for youth smoking prevention.

I don't see any downsides to the flavoring ban.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 04, 2021 4:18 pm

Massa Joe knows whats best for black people, those dumb old darkies who smoke menthol cigarettes now have Kindly ole Master Joe in the big white house to protect them from themselves.

This is what paternalistic Racism looks like, after all its for their own good because they don't know better.
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Postby Cetacea » Tue May 04, 2021 4:18 pm

So they’re still allowing Advertisers and pushing of the actual dangerous compounds while banning flavouring.

Nicotine is no more addictive than caffeine and they’re not banning coffee

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Postby Apostate » Tue May 04, 2021 4:19 pm

Madrinpoor wrote:
Heaven Hieghts wrote:
I know what the additive is for and understand the lopsided marketing. I bring it up because this doesn't seem like a viable solution whose core, it would seem to me, lies in a lack of accessible healthcare in Black communities.

Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.


Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.

My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe. My race is not black.
I would say cigs always target the youth, ecigs were the same. Healthcare has nothing to do with it either.

Nanny stating an individuals choice to purchase and use a substance does not deter but rather encourages desire in most teens and young adults, regardless of race, or level of wealth.

Education, as with all things, is the answer. A certain percentage of humanity will simply decide to do opposite what is in their best health interests, be it food, cigs or alcohol.
Punitive taxes diverted to fund that education will serve well to sustain the goal to reduce illness across all communities and races.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:36 pm

If this goes the way my governor's flavored vape ban went, im sure I'll smell some menthols in my neighborhood 10 years from now.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 04, 2021 4:39 pm

Apostate wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.


Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.

My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe. My race is not black.
I would say cigs always target the youth, ecigs were the same. Healthcare has nothing to do with it either.

Nanny stating an individuals choice to purchase and use a substance does not deter but rather encourages desire in most teens and young adults, regardless of race, or level of wealth.

Education, as with all things, is the answer. A certain percentage of humanity will simply decide to do opposite what is in their best health interests, be it food, cigs or alcohol.
Punitive taxes diverted to fund that education will serve well to sustain the goal to reduce illness across all communities and races.

Because to a lot of the right wing the plight of black Americans is only something that matters when a law is gonna affect them as well.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 4:41 pm

Apostate wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.


Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.

My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe. My race is not black.
I would say cigs always target the youth, ecigs were the same. Healthcare has nothing to do with it either.

Nanny stating an individuals choice to purchase and use a substance does not deter but rather encourages desire in most teens and young adults, regardless of race, or level of wealth.

Education, as with all things, is the answer. A certain percentage of humanity will simply decide to do opposite what is in their best health interests, be it food, cigs or alcohol.
Punitive taxes diverted to fund that education will serve well to sustain the goal to reduce illness across all communities and races.


Menthol is definitely a black guy thing. There are definitely whites who smoke em but they're really common in the inner city and most folks who I see smoking menthol are African American although my brother does too.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue May 04, 2021 4:43 pm

lmao just ban normal shitty cigarettes instead. that'd do more good
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Postby Madrinpoor » Tue May 04, 2021 5:01 pm

Apostate wrote:Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.


...nearly 70% of adult African American smokers in California smoke menthol cigarettes, the highest rate of any group.


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The tobacco industry has aggressively marketed menthol products to young people and African Americans, especially in urban communities.13 Historically, the tobacco industry’s attempts to maintain a positive image among African Americans have included such efforts as supporting cultural events and making contributions to minority higher education institutions, elected officials, civic and community organizations, and scholarship programs.


Historically, the marketing and promotion of menthol cigarettes have been targeted heavily toward African Americans through culturally tailored advertising images and messages.13,14
Over 7 out of 10 African American youth ages 12-17 years who smoke use menthol cigarettes15
African American adults have the highest percentage of menthol cigarette use compared to other racial and ethnic groups.16
Menthol in cigarettes is thought to make harmful chemicals more easily absorbed in the body, likely because menthol makes it easier to inhale cigarette smoke.3,17
Some research shows that menthol cigarettes may be more addictive than non-menthol cigarettes


Menthol products are given more shelf space in retail outlets within African American and other minority neighborhoods

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 04, 2021 5:03 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Apostate wrote:
Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.

My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe. My race is not black.
I would say cigs always target the youth, ecigs were the same. Healthcare has nothing to do with it either.

Nanny stating an individuals choice to purchase and use a substance does not deter but rather encourages desire in most teens and young adults, regardless of race, or level of wealth.

Education, as with all things, is the answer. A certain percentage of humanity will simply decide to do opposite what is in their best health interests, be it food, cigs or alcohol.
Punitive taxes diverted to fund that education will serve well to sustain the goal to reduce illness across all communities and races.


Menthol is definitely a black guy thing. There are definitely whites who smoke em but they're really common in the inner city and most folks who I see smoking menthol are African American although my brother does too.

Rojava is statistically correct.

The majority of African Americans who smoke use menthol cigarettes.3

Seven out of 10 African American youth ages 12-17 who smoke use menthol cigarettes.6
A higher percentage of black adults who smoke started by using menthol cigarettes (93%) than white adults who smoke (44%).8

Non-Hispanic black adults have the highest percentage of menthol cigarette use compared to other racial and ethnic groups.6 In 2014-2015, 76.8% of non-Hispanic black adults who smoked usually used menthol cigarettes, compared to 34.7% of Hispanic adults and 24.6% of white adults.9


https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_infor ... index.html
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Postby Atheris » Tue May 04, 2021 5:05 pm

Apostate wrote:
Madrinpoor wrote:Yes, you're completely right that the core of the problem doesn't lie in cigarettes, it lies in lack of healthcare for Black communities, as well as other factors like pollution (which drastically raises the chances of Covid affecting you lethally). But a sizeable part of it is menthol, and banning menthol doesn't have a significant cost to anyone besides the tobacco industry. So while it is not the end-all be-all of helping Black communities, it definitely does help and it definitely is the right thing to do.


Not a black thing, not sure why thats being so talked up.

My first cigarette back at 15 or so was a menthol. Newports I believe.

Whenever I see the word "Newports." I can't help it, he's always there...
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Postby Dakini » Tue May 04, 2021 5:35 pm

New Jacobland wrote:To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.

So fuck people who rent I guess?


I mean, I don't smoke and I don't think that people should be allowed to smoke indoors, but banning people from smoking anywhere outside their home basically means that people who rent are forced to quit since a lot of rental property is smoke-free and does not include any outdoor space.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue May 04, 2021 6:35 pm

At risk of sounding like a conservative, this is moronic nanny-stateism that will disproportionately impact African-Americans.

I don't smoke anymore, but menthols? Not bad at all.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue May 04, 2021 7:16 pm

New Jacobland wrote:To be honest I want a ban on all cigarettes outside of your home. Do what you want at home, but not in a busy place outside. Passive smoking regularly ends up with the same effect of smoking cigarettes.


What about drinking outside the home or pot smoking?
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Postby Deacarsia » Tue May 04, 2021 7:20 pm

While I strongly oppose the usage of tobacco products, I must oppose this sort of a ban.

It seems overly intrusive, and I fail to see what it actually will accomplish.
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