TYT's own audience lashes out at them for disputing the DSM

[Shofercia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IimF3esREac

The story started about half an hour ago, so I'd suggest rewinding about half an hour. Basically a CIA recruitment video brought up an employee's anxiety disorder and Ana mentioned that this sort of thing comes across as an excuse for whining and is why millennials aren't taken seriously by other generations. Her own audience flew off the handle at her, more than I've ever seen in all my years of watching TYT, for daring to doubt the social sciences.

You know, the same social sciences that gave us "surveys". The same surveys respondents famously lied to in 2016.

Their next story was on on big pharma withhholding vacciness from the rest of the world now, so whether she ties this into big pharma's perverse incentive to play up "mental illnesses" to push pills on people or not remains to be seen. I'm guessing she won't.

Any of you can catch up if you play the video on 1.25x. (Or 1.5x, if you're feeling bold.) Something tells me this is going to be an interesting night.

The Young Turks doing something incredibly idiotic, whoa there, no one saw this coming. At least Cenk didn't get himself involved with an actual horse this time, so that's progress...

[Cannot think of a name]

Show your work.

Define "showing your work."

Well, if I asked a mental health professional why they think a disorder is present and a real thing, they would walk me through the research, show me the studies and methodology, explain their conclusions, and then talk about how treatments have worked and what precautions and expectations I can have. It's how they build confidence in their conclusions.

So far, all you've said is 'nuh uh.' When someone pressed you on it you said you did your due diligence that lead you to your conclusion.

Lets see that due diligence. All you've done so far is implied that something might not be right, not that it's wrong. "This could have happened, they could be doing this..."

Well...are they? Show your work. If you got here just by doubting...sit down. You haven't said anything interesting and there's no reason to listen to anything you say. But, you just said you really dove in...so let's see it. Show your work.

[Major-Tom]

It's TYT, I just expect quackery. Who cares, let them dig themselves deeper.

[Nilokeras]

It's TYT, I just expect quackery. Who cares, let them dig themselves deeper.

Don't worry, we've moved on from TYT to the OP dropping a spicy 'scientists must be wrong because both the left and right hate them' take

[Major-Tom]

It's TYT, I just expect quackery. Who cares, let them dig themselves deeper.

Don't worry, we've moved on from TYT to the OP dropping a spicy 'scientists must be wrong because both the left and right hate them' take

Oof, didn't read that far. Serves me right.

[Shofercia]

I mean, after Cenk basically endorsed child rape on air, I thought we all knew there was no bottom.

Cenk could always strip Ana of her clothes on Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day. I wouldn't put anything past TYT at this point.

Yeah. It is.

What a pro child rape asshole.

TYT is only right about healthcare and political corruption, nothing else.

Same goes for just about every other news network. Political corruption's everywhere, and US Healthcare is a running joke in Europe.

Randomly found this forum.

What the hell is going on here?

You know how bears shit in the woods? Well, every time TYT does something stupid, NSG shits on TYT.

[Genivaria]

Deserved.

Anxiety disorders can ruin people's lives. It isn't a fake excuse.

But is it the "disorder" itself that does so, or the sense of victimhood perpetuated by medicalizing it?

No it's a fucking disorder.

[Genivaria]

Randomly found this forum.

What the hell is going on here?

OP thinks that mental illness is a thing and is defending child rape, I'm sure he'll have a long history here.

[Tsaivao]

It's TYT, I just expect quackery. Who cares, let them dig themselves deeper.

Don't worry, we've moved on from TYT to the OP dropping a spicy 'scientists must be wrong because both the left and right hate them' take

Literally the BBC of anti-empiricism.

There's a difference between constructive scrutiny and empirical analysis, and just being a contrarian conspiracy theorist to try and sound smart. Have you maybe possibly considered why the "mainstream social sciences" say that anxiety disorders are real is because they already went through the process of scrutinizing each other?

Yes. Yes I have. I've also come to the conclusion that being scrutinized by each other is not enough, because while they might criticize methodology or whatever else, you never know what blind spots they might close ranks on if they don't have to compete on debating these matters with the rest of us.

So... to you it's not valid unless the scientists, who have researched and been trained in their field for years on end, go talk to laypeople who have no idea what they're talking about and take their baseless conjectures into account?

Because sometimes people do that. It's called a study! Ya know, that thing you said you hated?

You are one of the most scientifically illiterate people I've seen on this forum. Please don't act like you know better than everyone else because you have unfounded and unproven opinions on why you think the system is bad; especially if it concerns a topic like the very mental wellbeing of human beings who do suffer from these things you callously pretend don't exist.

[The Two Jerseys]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IimF3esREac

The story started about half an hour ago, so I'd suggest rewinding about half an hour. Basically a CIA recruitment video brought up an employee's anxiety disorder and Ana mentioned that this sort of thing comes across as an excuse for whining and is why millennials aren't taken seriously by other generations. Her own audience flew off the handle at her, more than I've ever seen in all my years of watching TYT, for daring to doubt the social sciences.

You know, the same social sciences that gave us "surveys". The same surveys respondents famously lied to in 2016.

Their next story was on on big pharma withhholding vacciness from the rest of the world now, so whether she ties this into big pharma's perverse incentive to play up "mental illnesses" to push pills on people or not remains to be seen. I'm guessing she won't.

Any of you can catch up if you play the video on 1.25x. (Or 1.5x, if you're feeling bold.) Something tells me this is going to be an interesting night.

The Young Turks doing something incredibly idiotic, whoa there, no one saw this coming. At least Cenk didn't get himself involved with an actual horse this time, so that's progress...

At this point I'm 100% convinced that "Come on, it's not the worst thing we've ever done!" really is TYT's defense for when they do stupid shit...

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Well, if I asked a mental health professional why they think a disorder is present and a real thing, they would walk me through the research, show me the studies and methodology, explain their conclusions, and then talk about how treatments have worked and what precautions and expectations I can have. It's how they build confidence in their conclusions.

So far, all you've said is 'nuh uh.' When someone pressed you on it you said you did your due diligence that lead you to your conclusion.

I never claimed certainty. On the contrary, I was specifically claiming doubt.

Lets see that due diligence. All you've done so far is implied that something might not be right, not that it's wrong. "This could have happened, they could be doing this..."

Well...are they?

We don't know. That's the point. I already outlined a couple scenarios and plausible incentives for the possibilities I mentioned.

You haven't said anything interesting and there's no reason to listen to anything you say.

That's your opinion. To each their own. But that could go either way. One could argue there's no reason to listen to the social sciences after the polling failure of 2016 demonstrated either incentives for respondents lying the social sciences didn't anticipate, or incentives they were reluctant to bring up until it would've been too late to make a difference.

But I'm not treating scientific ideas as worthless, I'm treating them as less than absolute, and ideas that should be fair game for being doubted by those outside the echo chamber.

[Neutraligon]

*Neither Cenk nor pedophilia are the topics of this thread.*

[GuessTheAltAccount]

It's TYT, I just expect quackery. Who cares, let them dig themselves deeper.

Don't worry, we've moved on from TYT to the OP dropping a spicy 'scientists must be wrong because both the left and right hate them' take

Don't go twisting my words.

The point is that the left thinks the right are hypocrites for doubting scientists on climate change and giving the left shit for doubting scientists on GMOs. But the left are doing the same thing in reverse. We all doubt the scientists on one issue or another, and yet the ones who claim to "otherwise trust the scientists" (always with a different exception) are always people who seem to either not notice the pattern or pretend not to. If they don't notice the pattern, what else might they be failing to notice? If they pretend not to, what else might they be pretending? Either way, it reflects poorly on their judgment.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

*Neither Cenk nor pedophilia are the topics of this thread.*

...should I create a separate one for Cenk's take on pedophilia then or no?

[Neutraligon]

*Neither Cenk nor pedophilia are the topics of this thread.*

...should I create a separate one for Cenk's take on pedophilia then or no?

No. viewtopic.php?p=16394962#p16394962

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, if I asked a mental health professional why they think a disorder is present and a real thing, they would walk me through the research, show me the studies and methodology, explain their conclusions, and then talk about how treatments have worked and what precautions and expectations I can have. It's how they build confidence in their conclusions.

So far, all you've said is 'nuh uh.' When someone pressed you on it you said you did your due diligence that lead you to your conclusion.

I never claimed certainty. On the contrary, I was specifically claiming doubt.

Lets see that due diligence. All you've done so far is implied that something might not be right, not that it's wrong. "This could have happened, they could be doing this..."

Well...are they?

We don't know. That's the point. I already outlined a couple scenarios and plausible incentives for the possibilities I mentioned.

You haven't said anything interesting and there's no reason to listen to anything you say.

That's your opinion. To each their own. But that could go either way. One could argue there's no reason to listen to the social sciences after the polling failure of 2016 demonstrated either incentives for respondents lying the social sciences didn't anticipate, or incentives they were reluctant to bring up until it would've been too late to make a difference.

But I'm not treating scientific ideas as worthless, I'm treating them as less than absolute, and ideas that should be fair game for being doubted by those outside the echo chamber.

"I have doubts for the sake of having doubts" is not a worthwhile pursuit. This is not healthy skepticism, this is hipster skepticism and is dismissed as such. The 'concerns' you raised have no value and now by your own admission have not been investigated by you in the slightest. Sorry, I'll go with the people who can show me their work.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

My feelings about TYT have always been mixed. On one hand they are politically left wing so I agree with alot of their views, but then they go out of their way to be snobs half the time and then they distort the facts on certain issues, like when they denied that there was a riot in DC on inauguration day 2017. And then there was the time Cenk Uyghur denied the Armenian genocide. This is one of their bad moments.

[Major-Tom]

My feelings about TYT have always been mixed. On one hand they are politically left wing so I agree with alot of their views, but then they go out of their way to be snobs half the time and then they distort the facts on certain issues, like when they denied that there was a riot in DC on inauguration day 2017. And then there was the time Cenk Uyghur denied the Armenian genocide.

I've found that it is usually good to have the ability to be aghast at people who might ideologically be similar to you, provided they're bad people/outlets. I probably agree with, say, Bill Maher on 90% of the issues, but I still think he is an insufferable shit, for instance.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

My feelings about TYT have always been mixed. On one hand they are politically left wing so I agree with alot of their views, but then they go out of their way to be snobs half the time and then they distort the facts on certain issues, like when they denied that there was a riot in DC on inauguration day 2017. And then there was the time Cenk Uyghur denied the Armenian genocide.

I've found that it is usually good to have the ability to be aghast at people who might ideologically be similar to you, provided they're bad people/outlets. I probably agree with, say, Bill Maher on 90% of the issues, but I still think he is an insufferable shit, for instance.

There's more than a few people in the libleft who I'm not cool at all with.

[Major-Tom]

I've found that it is usually good to have the ability to be aghast at people who might ideologically be similar to you, provided they're bad people/outlets. I probably agree with, say, Bill Maher on 90% of the issues, but I still think he is an insufferable shit, for instance.

There's more than a few people in the libleft who I'm not cool at all with.

That's good, keeps you honest.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

My feelings about TYT have always been mixed. On one hand they are politically left wing so I agree with alot of their views, but then they go out of their way to be snobs half the time and then they distort the facts on certain issues, like when they denied that there was a riot in DC on inauguration day 2017. And then there was the time Cenk Uyghur denied the Armenian genocide.

I've found that it is usually good to have the ability to be aghast at people who might ideologically be similar to you, provided they're bad people/outlets. I probably agree with, say, Bill Maher on 90% of the issues, but I still think he is an insufferable shit, for instance.

Bill Maher, as well, I find refreshing for going against the grain. I find I trust Bill Maher's judgment more on Islam and TYT's more on money in politics. Main benefit is they think outside the box, above all else. I don't want an echo chamber. I want dissent. But I definitely do sometimes feel uncomfortable with his personality even in the context of having my beliefs challenged.

EDIT: So apparently they've scheduled the rebroadcast now. In about a half an hour's time. Time will tell whether they keep the comments from the original broadcast or start fresh. :/

[Deacarsia]

This is hilarious.

The revolution always eats is own.

[Nilokeras]

The point is that the left thinks the right are hypocrites for doubting scientists on climate change and giving the left shit for doubting scientists on GMOs. But the left are doing the same thing in reverse. We all doubt the scientists on one issue or another, and yet the ones who claim to "otherwise trust the scientists" (always with a different exception) are always people who seem to either not notice the pattern or pretend not to.

you're doing that fun thing where you run a steamroller over the entirety of a lot of different political traditions and pretend its a major insight again

If they don't notice the pattern, what else might they be failing to notice? If they pretend not to, what else might they be pretending? Either way, it reflects poorly on their judgment.

they're all hiding the hollow Earth obviously

[Alcala-Cordel]

I've never liked TYT to be honest, they might say some things that I partly agree with but they keep doing stuff like this and using bad talking points.

[Coicantrost Terbi]

TYT? Don't they also deny the Armenian genocide? Or am I thinking of someone else?