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by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:42 am
Gongsi wrote:Insaanistan wrote:Insaanistan wrote:Just FYI to everyone who says “Jews were there first! Palestinians are Muzlim invaders!”
When the Jews came to Palestine to establish Judea, led by Moses/Musa and Aaron/Harun (Peace be upon them), there were already people there: the Philistines, the Canaanites, etc etc.
Blah blah, war. Blah blah blah, Israelites keep disobeying Moses and Aaron (pbut) (details differ depending on which Abrahamic faith you ascribe to after that.)
Boom. Jewish kingdoms. Short lived Jewish kingdoms that eventually get gobbled up by the Romans.
Romans oppress the Jews so hard that some of the Jews form history’s first terrorist group. Yes, I’m serious.
Brown skinned guy with curly hair is born from the virtuous Virgin Mary (May God be pleased with her). His name’s Yeshua. You’ll know him as Jesus/Isa (peace be upon him). Bible states some miracles he does, Qur’ân names way more miracles he reportedly does.
Anyway, he gets popular. So popular that they try to kill him. Christians say they killed him but he came back and he’ll come back when the world’s gonna end. Muslims say that they tried to kill him but either got made Judas (or whatever Muslim equivalent there is, as the Qur’ân doesn’t actually name who betrayed Jesus pbuh) look like Judas and he got killed while God raised Jesus pbuh to save him, or that a guy kept on volunteering to go in Jesus pbuh’s place and Jesus pbuh’s kept saying “No, you’re too young,” but the guy wouldn’t give up so eventually he said “Okay,” and so God made him look like Jesus pbuh and he got killed instead. Altogether Muslims also believe he’ll return one day near the end of the world. Unless you’re Ahmadiyya Muslim, in which case you think he returned already, and died.
Either way, eventually, Christianity becomes a thing and was unpopular with the Jews but eventually very popular with the Romans who go from “There is more than one God!” to “Jesus loves you!” in a full 180.
Romans eventually breaks apart into East and West. East is pretty Greekish and those guys, who call themselves the Byzantines, and they still oppress the Jews.
Then according to Muslims, the Angel Gabriel descends to Mount Hira where a man known by everyone in town as “the Honest One” is praying. This man is 40 years old and illiterate, and is neither Christian, pagan nor Jewish. He and a few others are kinda their own thing called the hanifs: followers of a small faith that claimed to be the religion of Abraham. In a very painful experience, the first words of what would be known as the Qur’ân are revealed to him. Once the Angel leaves, this man, known as Muhammad pbuh, runs down from the mountain terrified, alarming the few people out that night who saw the guy sprinting back home. He eventually accepts his fate as prophet and preaches an egalitarian, pro-women’s rights anti-slavery religion that encourages charity, which poor people liked and rich people did not. Eventually, people kept trying to kill him and his followers so he left, fought some wars, and took control of the Arabian Peninsula. Then he died and three seconds later his friends took over the Byzantines and Persians because why not.
One of these friends is named Ūmar. He once almost tried to kill Muhammad pbuh, but became a Muslim and a good friend of his. He’s also reportedly scary if you make him mad. He leads the desert people to conquer the other desert place: the one where the Jews live. Is this the first time Arabs are in the Holy Land?
No.
Arabs have been there for a long while know, and are partially descended from the Canaanites, Phoenicians and Philistines. They’re just all Christian because Romans. That soon changes. Ūmar’s in charge and the Arabs quickly become Muslim. The Jews are frankly surprised they’re being ruled by someone who doesn’t feel like killing them all, so they don’t leave and many of them convert to his religion, and marry into these Arab families.
Several Crusades, Central Asian invasions, and colonizations later, the British are in trouble, and they tell the Arabs if they fight against the Turks they and all their buddies will get their own country. So the Arabs do it and the British are like “Sike!..s and Picot.” And so now the Arabs are mad. The British apparently also promised Europe’s Jews they could have it and a lot begin moving in.
One Arab who’s mad is Mufti of Jerusalem. He hates the British. He hates Jews. Guess who else hates both those groups? Hitler. They become friends, and when the war breaks out, Palestinians came either put their grudge against the betrayal aside and fight for the British or they can revolt again.
They choose the former (mostly), either out of opposition to anti-Semitism or monetary investments. They fight alongside Jewish settlers. And they win!
“Hurrah,” they all say. “We’re the best of friends!”
And then they immediately began fighting each other.
These Arabs are called “Palestinians.” They are not invaders, and have been there waaay longer. The blood of Jews, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Arabs run through their veins. They’re a fun and proud and kind people, whose homeland is war torn and suffering.
The olive branch is carried by a white dove. A dove flying over and landing in the Holy Land. How the children of Palestine wish they were doves. How they wish they could fly, fly above the discrimination in Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon. Fly above the bombs and rockets of Hamas, the IDF and Hezbollah. Fly and land and see their towns, their villages, their cities, their mosques, their churches, and for some their synagogues. See their cousins who they cannot find and the brother they lost and the children they watched crumple to the sandy ground and the daughters they saw locked away and the fathers they saw taken from them. Even just for a moment, I know how much they wish they could.
But the bombs and rockets still fire. Their brothers in neighboring lands spit on them. Their land is stain with the blood of one million souls, and the children of the land’s innocence taken from them too early.
Those who proclaim their blood is Palestinian, their blood dyes the red on the flag they hoist high. High above anyone’s doubt of their honesty of their oppression, high above anyone’s doubt to their claim of the land.
A few corrections, though none that weaken your point (as far as I am aware), just some detail fixes:
A) Christianity wasn't entirely unpopular with the Jews. In fact the was a fair number of them, often called Judaizers, that adopted Christianity while also attempting to hold onto Jewish tradition.
B) The Byzantines never called themselves the Byzantines, this is a retronym coined by Hieronymus Wolf in 1557. They mainly just saw themselves as the Roman Empire.
C) As far as I know, prior to Islam there were still plenty of Pagan Arabs remaining, as well as those who subscribed to the then current main rival of Christianity: Manichaeism. In fact, Manichaeism was so popular and widespread that it had grown a large following in Roman Gaul.
by Gongsi » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:49 am
Insaanistan wrote:Gongsi wrote:
A few corrections, though none that weaken your point (as far as I am aware), just some detail fixes:
A) Christianity wasn't entirely unpopular with the Jews. In fact the was a fair number of them, often called Judaizers, that adopted Christianity while also attempting to hold onto Jewish tradition.
B) The Byzantines never called themselves the Byzantines, this is a retronym coined by Hieronymus Wolf in 1557. They mainly just saw themselves as the Roman Empire.
C) As far as I know, prior to Islam there were still plenty of Pagan Arabs remaining, as well as those who subscribed to the then current main rival of Christianity: Manichaeism. In fact, Manichaeism was so popular and widespread that it had grown a large following in Roman Gaul.
A) Yes, that was frankly me generalizing and over simplifying. I was surprised when I first read early Christians still considered themselves Jews
B) That I didn’t know, but while typing this that was a possibility that occurred to me but I didn’t think to look it up
C) Oh no, the majority of Arabs at the time were pagan, but the ones in the Levant were almost all Christian.
Thank you for taking the effort to read my post!
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by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:00 pm
-Astoria- wrote:Well, took 'em long enough.
Didn't they have an investigation done on them by the ICC recently?
by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:01 pm
Gongsi wrote:Insaanistan wrote:
A) Yes, that was frankly me generalizing and over simplifying. I was surprised when I first read early Christians still considered themselves Jews
B) That I didn’t know, but while typing this that was a possibility that occurred to me but I didn’t think to look it up
C) Oh no, the majority of Arabs at the time were pagan, but the ones in the Levant were almost all Christian.
Thank you for taking the effort to read my post!
No problem! I've learned a lot from you, so I thought I'd offer what little knowledge I could to the mix.
Cheers!
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:34 pm
by Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:36 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Just FYI to everyone who says “Jews were there first! Palestinians are Muzlim invaders!”
When the Jews came to Palestine to establish Judea, led by Moses/Musa and Aaron/Harun (Peace be upon them), there were already people there: the Philistines, the Canaanites, etc etc.
Blah blah, war. Blah blah blah, Israelites keep disobeying Moses and Aaron (pbut) (details differ depending on which Abrahamic faith you ascribe to after that.)
Boom. Jewish kingdoms. Short lived Jewish kingdoms that eventually get gobbled up by the Romans.
Romans oppress the Jews so hard that some of the Jews form history’s first terrorist group. Yes, I’m serious.
Brown skinned guy with curly hair is born from the virtuous Virgin Mary (May God be pleased with her). His name’s Yeshua. You’ll know him as Jesus/Isa (peace be upon him). Bible states some miracles he does, Qur’ân names way more miracles he reportedly does.
Anyway, he gets popular. So popular that they try to kill him. Christians say they killed him but he came back and he’ll come back when the world’s gonna end. Muslims say that they tried to kill him but either got made Judas (or whatever Muslim equivalent there is, as the Qur’ân doesn’t actually name who betrayed Jesus pbuh) look like Judas and he got killed while God raised Jesus pbuh to save him, or that a guy kept on volunteering to go in Jesus pbuh’s place and Jesus pbuh’s kept saying “No, you’re too young,” but the guy wouldn’t give up so eventually he said “Okay,” and so God made him look like Jesus pbuh and he got killed instead. Altogether Muslims also believe he’ll return one day near the end of the world. Unless you’re Ahmadiyya Muslim, in which case you think he returned already, and died.
Either way, eventually, Christianity becomes a thing and was unpopular with the Jews but eventually very popular with the Romans who go from “There is more than one God!” to “Jesus loves you!” in a full 180.
Romans eventually breaks apart into East and West. East is pretty Greekish and those guys, who call themselves the Byzantines, and they still oppress the Jews.
Then according to Muslims, the Angel Gabriel descends to Mount Hira where a man known by everyone in town as “the Honest One” is praying. This man is 40 years old and illiterate, and is neither Christian, pagan nor Jewish. He and a few others are kinda their own thing called the hanifs: followers of a small faith that claimed to be the religion of Abraham. In a very painful experience, the first words of what would be known as the Qur’ân are revealed to him. Once the Angel leaves, this man, known as Muhammad pbuh, runs down from the mountain terrified, alarming the few people out that night who saw the guy sprinting back home. He eventually accepts his fate as prophet and preaches an egalitarian, pro-women’s rights anti-slavery religion that encourages charity, which poor people liked and rich people did not. Eventually, people kept trying to kill him and his followers so he left, fought some wars, and took control of the Arabian Peninsula. Then he died and three seconds later his friends took over the Byzantines and Persians because why not.
One of these friends is named Ūmar. He once almost tried to kill Muhammad pbuh, but became a Muslim and a good friend of his. He’s also reportedly scary if you make him mad. He leads the desert people to conquer the other desert place: the one where the Jews live. Is this the first time Arabs are in the Holy Land?
No.
Arabs have been there for a long while know, and are partially descended from the Canaanites, Phoenicians and Philistines. They’re just all Christian because Romans. That soon changes. Ūmar’s in charge and the Arabs quickly become Muslim. The Jews are frankly surprised they’re being ruled by someone who doesn’t feel like killing them all, so they don’t leave and many of them convert to his religion, and marry into these Arab families.
Several Crusades, Central Asian invasions, and colonizations later, the British are in trouble, and they tell the Arabs if they fight against the Turks they and all their buddies will get their own country. So the Arabs do it and the British are like “Sike!..s and Picot.” And so now the Arabs are mad. The British apparently also promised Europe’s Jews they could have it and a lot begin moving in.
One Arab who’s mad is Mufti of Jerusalem. He hates the British. He hates Jews. Guess who else hates both those groups? Hitler. They become friends, and when the war breaks out, Palestinians came either put their grudge against the betrayal aside and fight for the British or they can revolt again.
They choose the former (mostly), either out of opposition to anti-Semitism or monetary investments. They fight alongside Jewish settlers. And they win!
“Hurrah,” they all say. “We’re the best of friends!”
And then they immediately began fighting each other.
These Arabs are called “Palestinians.” They are not invaders, and have been there waaay longer. The blood of Jews, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Arabs run through their veins. They’re a fun and proud and kind people, whose homeland is war torn and suffering.
The olive branch is carried by a white dove. A dove flying over and landing in the Holy Land. How the children of Palestine wish they were doves. How they wish they could fly, fly above the discrimination in Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon. Fly above the bombs and rockets of Hamas, the IDF and Hezbollah. Fly and land and see their towns, their villages, their cities, their mosques, their churches, and for some their synagogues. See their cousins who they cannot find and the brother they lost and the children they watched crumple to the sandy ground and the daughters they saw locked away and the fathers they saw taken from them. Even just for a moment, I know how much they wish they could.
But the bombs and rockets still fire. Their brothers in neighboring lands spit on them. Their land is stain with the blood of one million souls, and the children of the land’s innocence taken from them too early.
Those who proclaim their blood is Palestinian, their blood dyes the red on the flag they hoist high. High above anyone’s doubt of their honesty of their oppression, high above anyone’s doubt to their claim of the land.
Insaanistan wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:
You could say the same about minorities in western countries, yet it's not colonialism.
I’m sorry, did Japanese people take over the US, force everyone into Connecticut and Southern California, then become the majority ethnic group and I just didn’t hear about it?
Insaanistan wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:
Who are the "natives"? The ME isn't some mono-cultured island.
I closer comparison would be if Native Americans created their own 'tent embassy' which then expanded reservations to the point of other ethnic groups being moved to 25 states.
That’s funny, because Palestinian Jews are a thing, and again, have been for centuries, and they’re not the same culturally as Israelis.
by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:39 pm
by Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:48 pm
Insaanistan wrote:GHK is talking about “Jews bowing down to Muslims” as if the British imposed jizya and the Ottomans at the empire’s end weren’t Turk-supremacist.
by Muzehnaya » Tue Apr 27, 2021 12:53 pm
Ibn Taymiyyah - Majmu al-Fatawa 4/186 wrote:Insulting, slandering, and being aggressive during a discussion are tricks of those who are weak
and a commodity of those who are bankrupt (in knowledge). Verily, refutations based upon insults
and intimidation, everyone has the capability of doing that.
by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:07 pm
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Insaanistan wrote:GHK is talking about “Jews bowing down to Muslims” as if the British imposed jizya and the Ottomans at the empire’s end weren’t Turk-supremacist.
The British threw the Yishuv a lifeline only to renege on their commitment. And the Ottoman Turks were Muslims, were they not?
Never Again will the Jews of Israel be ruled, blackmailed, or gaslit by Muslims and their woke leftist sympathizers.
by Gongsi » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:12 pm
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Jews are descended from Canaanites. This pretty much invalidates this entire, incoherent wall of wishful thinking. If you want to play the "we were here first" game, you will find that the Jews win this game every single time.
"Jesus was a Palestinian."
Jesus was a Jew. Therefore, the Jews are the real "Palestinians".
In direct response to attempts by Arabs to ethnically cleanse them in 1948 and 1967. It's not colonialism. It's immigration, repatriation, and reclamation. Jews are indigenous to Eretz Israel. The Arabs who tried to exterminate them lost any right to reside in any part of Eretz Israel when they lost their wars of attempted genocide and waged multiple campaigns of terror and mass murder called Intifadas against the Israeli people. I'm surprised Israel still hasn't cleared them all out yet. Had they forcibly driven out ALL the Arabs and Muslims in 1948, this entirely manufactured conflict wouldn't even be happening. The Israelis have demonstrated an unbelievable degree of restraint and I sympathize with and respect them deeply for the kind of terroristic violence and international witch hunt and smear campaign they have been forced to endure.
"Palestinian" Jews are still Jews and I can bet you 99% of them would rather be Israeli than Arab, and I'm pretty sure most of them already are for obvious reasons. They don't want to be murdered by their intolerant Arab Muslim neighbors.
Muslims flooding into Europe = good
Jews flooding into Israel = bad
It was the Arab Muslims who started this whole conflict because they couldn't accept the fact that they no longer enjoyed the kind of racial and religious supremacy they once did over the Jews who were already there. Never Again will a Jew ever have to bow before a Muslim and pay "protection" money to the state or risk becoming fair game for the Arab Muslim mob. Muslims do not just get to tell everyone else how to behave and where they can and can't live. Uppity Jews deciding their own destiny triggers them so badly, and now Arabs and Muslims have incorporated European- and Christian-style blood libel and antisemitic canards into their ideology of antisemitic hate.
It's almost as if Ashkenazi Jews are not allowed to return to their homeland after centuries spent in exile and living in fear of what the Christian majority may do to them, which if you look back in history, is some pretty horrifying stuff. Not to mention that a large percentage of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, Arabic-speaking Jews from other Arab countries who were driven out in numbers even larger than the number of Arabs who were said to have been expelled from Mandatory Palestine.
Jews in general are "part-Arab" anyway, including European Ashkenazi Jews who, for some reason, have no right to be there simply because they look white, never mind that Europe has been the site of countless pogroms and a full-blown Holocaust. Genetic studies prove their lineage.
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by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:23 pm
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Insaanistan wrote:Just FYI to everyone who says “Jews were there first! Palestinians are Muzlim invaders!”
When the Jews came to Palestine to establish Judea, led by Moses/Musa and Aaron/Harun (Peace be upon them), there were already people there: the Philistines, the Canaanites, etc etc.
Blah blah, war. Blah blah blah, Israelites keep disobeying Moses and Aaron (pbut) (details differ depending on which Abrahamic faith you ascribe to after that.)
Boom. Jewish kingdoms. Short lived Jewish kingdoms that eventually get gobbled up by the Romans.
Romans oppress the Jews so hard that some of the Jews form history’s first terrorist group. Yes, I’m serious.
Brown skinned guy with curly hair is born from the virtuous Virgin Mary (May God be pleased with her). His name’s Yeshua. You’ll know him as Jesus/Isa (peace be upon him). Bible states some miracles he does, Qur’ân names way more miracles he reportedly does.
Anyway, he gets popular. So popular that they try to kill him. Christians say they killed him but he came back and he’ll come back when the world’s gonna end. Muslims say that they tried to kill him but either got made Judas (or whatever Muslim equivalent there is, as the Qur’ân doesn’t actually name who betrayed Jesus pbuh) look like Judas and he got killed while God raised Jesus pbuh to save him, or that a guy kept on volunteering to go in Jesus pbuh’s place and Jesus pbuh’s kept saying “No, you’re too young,” but the guy wouldn’t give up so eventually he said “Okay,” and so God made him look like Jesus pbuh and he got killed instead. Altogether Muslims also believe he’ll return one day near the end of the world. Unless you’re Ahmadiyya Muslim, in which case you think he returned already, and died.
Either way, eventually, Christianity becomes a thing and was unpopular with the Jews but eventually very popular with the Romans who go from “There is more than one God!” to “Jesus loves you!” in a full 180.
Romans eventually breaks apart into East and West. East is pretty Greekish and those guys, who call themselves the Byzantines, and they still oppress the Jews.
Then according to Muslims, the Angel Gabriel descends to Mount Hira where a man known by everyone in town as “the Honest One” is praying. This man is 40 years old and illiterate, and is neither Christian, pagan nor Jewish. He and a few others are kinda their own thing called the hanifs: followers of a small faith that claimed to be the religion of Abraham. In a very painful experience, the first words of what would be known as the Qur’ân are revealed to him. Once the Angel leaves, this man, known as Muhammad pbuh, runs down from the mountain terrified, alarming the few people out that night who saw the guy sprinting back home. He eventually accepts his fate as prophet and preaches an egalitarian, pro-women’s rights anti-slavery religion that encourages charity, which poor people liked and rich people did not. Eventually, people kept trying to kill him and his followers so he left, fought some wars, and took control of the Arabian Peninsula. Then he died and three seconds later his friends took over the Byzantines and Persians because why not.
One of these friends is named Ūmar. He once almost tried to kill Muhammad pbuh, but became a Muslim and a good friend of his. He’s also reportedly scary if you make him mad. He leads the desert people to conquer the other desert place: the one where the Jews live. Is this the first time Arabs are in the Holy Land?
No.
Arabs have been there for a long while know, and are partially descended from the Canaanites, Phoenicians and Philistines. They’re just all Christian because Romans. That soon changes. Ūmar’s in charge and the Arabs quickly become Muslim. The Jews are frankly surprised they’re being ruled by someone who doesn’t feel like killing them all, so they don’t leave and many of them convert to his religion, and marry into these Arab families.
Several Crusades, Central Asian invasions, and colonizations later, the British are in trouble, and they tell the Arabs if they fight against the Turks they and all their buddies will get their own country. So the Arabs do it and the British are like “Sike!..s and Picot.” And so now the Arabs are mad. The British apparently also promised Europe’s Jews they could have it and a lot begin moving in.
One Arab who’s mad is Mufti of Jerusalem. He hates the British. He hates Jews. Guess who else hates both those groups? Hitler. They become friends, and when the war breaks out, Palestinians came either put their grudge against the betrayal aside and fight for the British or they can revolt again.
They choose the former (mostly), either out of opposition to anti-Semitism or monetary investments. They fight alongside Jewish settlers. And they win!
“Hurrah,” they all say. “We’re the best of friends!”
And then they immediately began fighting each other.
These Arabs are called “Palestinians.” They are not invaders, and have been there waaay longer. The blood of Jews, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Arabs run through their veins. They’re a fun and proud and kind people, whose homeland is war torn and suffering.
The olive branch is carried by a white dove. A dove flying over and landing in the Holy Land. How the children of Palestine wish they were doves. How they wish they could fly, fly above the discrimination in Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon. Fly above the bombs and rockets of Hamas, the IDF and Hezbollah. Fly and land and see their towns, their villages, their cities, their mosques, their churches, and for some their synagogues. See their cousins who they cannot find and the brother they lost and the children they watched crumple to the sandy ground and the daughters they saw locked away and the fathers they saw taken from them. Even just for a moment, I know how much they wish they could.
But the bombs and rockets still fire. Their brothers in neighboring lands spit on them. Their land is stain with the blood of one million souls, and the children of the land’s innocence taken from them too early.
Those who proclaim their blood is Palestinian, their blood dyes the red on the flag they hoist high. High above anyone’s doubt of their honesty of their oppression, high above anyone’s doubt to their claim of the land.
Jews are descended from Canaanites. This pretty much invalidates this entire, incoherent wall of wishful thinking. If you want to play the "we were here first" game, you will find that the Jews win this game every single time.
"Jesus was a Palestinian."
Jesus was a Jew. Therefore, the Jews are the real "Palestinians".Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because they're not violently displacing natives. Jews did, their own leaders in the 1940's even openly said ethnic cleansing was their goal.
In direct response to attempts by Arabs to ethnically cleanse them in 1948 and 1967. It's not colonialism. It's immigration, repatriation, and reclamation. Jews are indigenous to Eretz Israel. The Arabs who tried to exterminate them lost any right to reside in any part of Eretz Israel when they lost their wars of attempted genocide and waged multiple campaigns of terror and mass murder called Intifadas against the Israeli people. I'm surprised Israel still hasn't cleared them all out yet. Had they forcibly driven out ALL the Arabs and Muslims in 1948, this entirely manufactured conflict wouldn't even be happening. The Israelis have demonstrated an unbelievable degree of restraint and I sympathize with and respect them deeply for the kind of terroristic violence and international witch hunt and smear campaign they have been forced to endure.Insaanistan wrote:I’m sorry, did Japanese people take over the US, force everyone into Connecticut and Southern California, then become the majority ethnic group and I just didn’t hear about it?
Japanese people are not indigenous to America and they have never been the victims of innumerable pogroms and a genocide that took place last century. They already have a viable ethnostate in which they are the majority.Insaanistan wrote:
That’s funny, because Palestinian Jews are a thing, and again, have been for centuries, and they’re not the same culturally as Israelis.
"Palestinian" Jews are still Jews and I can bet you 99% of them would rather be Israeli than Arab, and I'm pretty sure most of them already are for obvious reasons. They don't want to be murdered by their intolerant Arab Muslim neighbors.Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The people who had lived there for many thousands of years, and not the mass amount of European Jews that flooded in and started shooting the place up?
Muslims flooding into Europe = good
Jews flooding into Israel = bad
It was the Arab Muslims who started this whole conflict because they couldn't accept the fact that they no longer enjoyed the kind of racial and religious supremacy they once did over the Jews who were already there. Never Again will a Jew ever have to bow before a Muslim and pay "protection" money to the state or risk becoming fair game for the Arab Muslim mob. Muslims do not just get to tell everyone else how to behave and where they can and can't live. Uppity Jews deciding their own destiny triggers them so badly, and now Arabs and Muslims have incorporated European- and Christian-style blood libel and antisemitic canards into their ideology of antisemitic hate.
It's almost as if Ashkenazi Jews are not allowed to return to their homeland after centuries spent in exile and living in fear of what the Christian majority may do to them, which if you look back in history, is some pretty horrifying stuff. Not to mention that a large percentage of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, Arabic-speaking Jews from other Arab countries who were driven out in numbers even larger than the number of Arabs who were said to have been expelled from Mandatory Palestine.Insaanistan wrote:
Dude, I’m proving MY argument, not yours. Palestinians in general are part Jewish anyway, lol.
Jews in general are "part-Arab" anyway, including European Ashkenazi Jews who, for some reason, have no right to be there simply because they look white, never mind that Europe has been the site of countless pogroms and a full-blown Holocaust. Genetic studies prove their lineage.
by Nakena » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:24 pm
Insaanistan wrote:“Muslims Flooding Europe”.
Oh, I’m sorry? Did Moroccans take over Spain and Southern France and then expel all the white people? No, didn’t think so.
.
by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:30 pm
by Nakena » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:30 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Nakena wrote:
Well they took over some places in France. Much like the french took over some places in Algeria before.
I meant in the modern era and expelling white people in the process; and using that previous rule over the region as justification to kick all the white people off that land.
by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:32 pm
by Fahran » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:32 pm
Velem wrote:I think that this is a necessary development on the matter of human rights breaches committed by Israel against part of its populace.
by Fahran » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:34 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Moroccans... took over parts of France? When and how?
by Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:36 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
The British threw the Yishuv a lifeline only to renege on their commitment. And the Ottoman Turks were Muslims, were they not?
Never Again will the Jews of Israel be ruled, blackmailed, or gaslit by Muslims and their woke leftist sympathizers.
Oh, my God, would you stop saying that! Seriously, could you study history for once.
You’re whole world view is twisted because you see Malaysian extremists try to justify their actions with Islam and subsequently decided Islam and every Muslim is to blame for that.
Are you responsible for the Secular terrorists in Sri Lanka and the Maldives? Or perhaps the acts of China in East Turkestan, or of atheist terrorists globally?
Jeez, mate. You’re repeated assertions that Islamic history with Jewish people is just repression and genocide is so ignorant it baffles me. When Maimonides fled Muslim Spain because the dynasty at the time was anti-Semitic, he fled to EGYPT, not Europe. The Jewish Golden Age coincided with the Islamic one because the vast majority of empires tolerated Jews. Yeah, Jews had to pay jizya: a tax generally lower than the one the Muslims paid, and a one Jews didn’t pay if they were poor, unemployed, old a child, a woman etc etc. Suddenly, taxes are oppression? You know there was a Jewish Rabbi martyred at the Battle of Uhud? Search him up. His name was Mukhayriq.
Who let the Jews remain in Jerusalem? The Muslims under Ūmar. Who let the Jews back into Jerusalem after the Crusaders kicked them out? The Muslims under Salahuddin.
Am I going to sit her and pretend the likes of Timur-i-Leng and Shah Ismail tolerated Jews? No! Because it’s not true. They hated Jews! But stop treating Islamic history as if until the Europeans came and “civilized” the land it was one 1400 year old backwards empire that oppressed everyone. It’s annoying and painfully historically inaccurate.
You’re assertions on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are the same arguments used by supporters of a state you hate, China, to support their genocidal actions, but so long as the oppressor isn’t China but the oppressed are Muslims, it’s justifiable.
Mahathir Muhammad and terrorists in Palestine don’t speak for 1.9-2.25 billion people in nearly every country earth, and you do not get to decide who among those people is devout or not.
I dare you GHK, to go to Western Jerusalem and party and attend those Jewish Supremacist Lehava parties for a month.
Then I dare you to go live in the West Bank for a week as if you’re one of the Palestinians. I dare you to live in the makeshift homes with the people that can trace their ancestors who lived on this land to before the Muslims even arrived. I dare you to ask them who do you hate more: Yahud or Sahyun? I dare you to listen to how they couldn’t get water that day because settlers armed with guns chased them away from the wells, I dare you to watch as their child are shot or imprisoned because they threw rocks at the tank that just ran over their home.
I dare you to spend a week in Gaza, and see how little electricity they receive, how often innocent people are bombed, how their peaceful protests that their land be given back to them and that it no longer be an open air prison are turned violent by Israeli troops firing on them, deliberately targeting medics and journalists and children.
I dare you to spend a week in East Jerusalem, and see how the father comes home with his children disheartened because they were blocked from entering al-Aqsa. I dare you to listen to the mother complain at work she was called a dirty Arab. I dare you to watch as their neighborhood becomes the next one to be ethnically cleansed.
I dare you GHK, to show even the slightest bit of sympathy or care for these lives. To ignore that these people are mostly Muslims just for a second.
Perhaps the only way for you to see what life is like for one who says “I am Palestinian”, is for you to see first hand how they suffer.
Insaanistan wrote:Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Jews are descended from Canaanites. This pretty much invalidates this entire, incoherent wall of wishful thinking. If you want to play the "we were here first" game, you will find that the Jews win this game every single time.
"Jesus was a Palestinian."
Jesus was a Jew. Therefore, the Jews are the real "Palestinians".
In direct response to attempts by Arabs to ethnically cleanse them in 1948 and 1967. It's not colonialism. It's immigration, repatriation, and reclamation. Jews are indigenous to Eretz Israel. The Arabs who tried to exterminate them lost any right to reside in any part of Eretz Israel when they lost their wars of attempted genocide and waged multiple campaigns of terror and mass murder called Intifadas against the Israeli people. I'm surprised Israel still hasn't cleared them all out yet. Had they forcibly driven out ALL the Arabs and Muslims in 1948, this entirely manufactured conflict wouldn't even be happening. The Israelis have demonstrated an unbelievable degree of restraint and I sympathize with and respect them deeply for the kind of terroristic violence and international witch hunt and smear campaign they have been forced to endure.
Japanese people are not indigenous to America and they have never been the victims of innumerable pogroms and a genocide that took place last century. They already have a viable ethnostate in which they are the majority.
"Palestinian" Jews are still Jews and I can bet you 99% of them would rather be Israeli than Arab, and I'm pretty sure most of them already are for obvious reasons. They don't want to be murdered by their intolerant Arab Muslim neighbors.
Muslims flooding into Europe = good
Jews flooding into Israel = bad
It was the Arab Muslims who started this whole conflict because they couldn't accept the fact that they no longer enjoyed the kind of racial and religious supremacy they once did over the Jews who were already there. Never Again will a Jew ever have to bow before a Muslim and pay "protection" money to the state or risk becoming fair game for the Arab Muslim mob. Muslims do not just get to tell everyone else how to behave and where they can and can't live. Uppity Jews deciding their own destiny triggers them so badly, and now Arabs and Muslims have incorporated European- and Christian-style blood libel and antisemitic canards into their ideology of antisemitic hate.
It's almost as if Ashkenazi Jews are not allowed to return to their homeland after centuries spent in exile and living in fear of what the Christian majority may do to them, which if you look back in history, is some pretty horrifying stuff. Not to mention that a large percentage of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, Arabic-speaking Jews from other Arab countries who were driven out in numbers even larger than the number of Arabs who were said to have been expelled from Mandatory Palestine.
Jews in general are "part-Arab" anyway, including European Ashkenazi Jews who, for some reason, have no right to be there simply because they look white, never mind that Europe has been the site of countless pogroms and a full-blown Holocaust. Genetic studies prove their lineage.
Uuuuuuuuggggggghhhhh.
Yes, Jews are descendants of the Canaanites. SO ARE PALESTINIANS!
I never said “Jesus is a Palestinian,” and made it clear he ethnically was Jewish.
“99% of them would rather be Israeli than Arab,”
As someone who knows a few: no. No, they do not. Additionally, Hamas themselves asserts that Palestinians Jews are Palestinians as well, a refutation of the idea in your head Arabs are born hating Jews.
“Muslims Flooding Europe”.
Oh, I’m sorry? Did Moroccans take over Spain and Southern France and then expel all the white people? No, didn’t think so.
Arab opposition to Israel is isn’t about superiority, it’s about NOT WANTING YOUR LAND TAKEN FROM YOU by someone because their one million time great grandfather lived there.
by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:37 pm
by Insaanistan » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:43 pm
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Insaanistan wrote:Oh, my God, would you stop saying that! Seriously, could you study history for once.
You’re whole world view is twisted because you see Malaysian extremists try to justify their actions with Islam and subsequently decided Islam and every Muslim is to blame for that.
Are you responsible for the Secular terrorists in Sri Lanka and the Maldives? Or perhaps the acts of China in East Turkestan, or of atheist terrorists globally?
Jeez, mate. You’re repeated assertions that Islamic history with Jewish people is just repression and genocide is so ignorant it baffles me. When Maimonides fled Muslim Spain because the dynasty at the time was anti-Semitic, he fled to EGYPT, not Europe. The Jewish Golden Age coincided with the Islamic one because the vast majority of empires tolerated Jews. Yeah, Jews had to pay jizya: a tax generally lower than the one the Muslims paid, and a one Jews didn’t pay if they were poor, unemployed, old a child, a woman etc etc. Suddenly, taxes are oppression? You know there was a Jewish Rabbi martyred at the Battle of Uhud? Search him up. His name was Mukhayriq.
Who let the Jews remain in Jerusalem? The Muslims under Ūmar. Who let the Jews back into Jerusalem after the Crusaders kicked them out? The Muslims under Salahuddin.
Am I going to sit her and pretend the likes of Timur-i-Leng and Shah Ismail tolerated Jews? No! Because it’s not true. They hated Jews! But stop treating Islamic history as if until the Europeans came and “civilized” the land it was one 1400 year old backwards empire that oppressed everyone. It’s annoying and painfully historically inaccurate.
You’re assertions on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are the same arguments used by supporters of a state you hate, China, to support their genocidal actions, but so long as the oppressor isn’t China but the oppressed are Muslims, it’s justifiable.
Mahathir Muhammad and terrorists in Palestine don’t speak for 1.9-2.25 billion people in nearly every country earth, and you do not get to decide who among those people is devout or not.
I dare you GHK, to go to Western Jerusalem and party and attend those Jewish Supremacist Lehava parties for a month.
Then I dare you to go live in the West Bank for a week as if you’re one of the Palestinians. I dare you to live in the makeshift homes with the people that can trace their ancestors who lived on this land to before the Muslims even arrived. I dare you to ask them who do you hate more: Yahud or Sahyun? I dare you to listen to how they couldn’t get water that day because settlers armed with guns chased them away from the wells, I dare you to watch as their child are shot or imprisoned because they threw rocks at the tank that just ran over their home.
I dare you to spend a week in Gaza, and see how little electricity they receive, how often innocent people are bombed, how their peaceful protests that their land be given back to them and that it no longer be an open air prison are turned violent by Israeli troops firing on them, deliberately targeting medics and journalists and children.
I dare you to spend a week in East Jerusalem, and see how the father comes home with his children disheartened because they were blocked from entering al-Aqsa. I dare you to listen to the mother complain at work she was called a dirty Arab. I dare you to watch as their neighborhood becomes the next one to be ethnically cleansed.
I dare you GHK, to show even the slightest bit of sympathy or care for these lives. To ignore that these people are mostly Muslims just for a second.
Perhaps the only way for you to see what life is like for one who says “I am Palestinian”, is for you to see first hand how they suffer.
"Tolerated". "At least we didn't just exterminate them. Not all the time, at least. We just made them pay protection money. Aren't we generous?" Maimonides only fled to Egypt because Europe was even more antisemitic in his time. Had he lived today, he would be fleeing to Israel or the United States, or maybe Spanish-speaking Latin America. Not the Arab or Muslim world. Not a chance in hell.
I used to sympathize with the Palestinians, and like you, I sincerely believed that Israel had no right to exist. Then I realized my mistake. I will not be lied to, gaslit, or manipulated again. I can see right through their attempts at historical revionism, plain as day. ZERO SYMPATHY.
I dare you to visit Israel and speak with ordinary Israeli Jews who are fed up of this witch hunt against them and the terror attacks against them. I dare you to visit Sderot, a southern border town next to Gaza that has endured far more rocket attacks than other cities farther afield. I dare you to speak to the families and the Israeli children who have been traumatized by these attacks. I dare you to speak to the family of a thirteen-year-old girl who was stabbed to death in her sleep by a Palestinian terrorist, or the three Jewish boys who were murdered at the outset of the 2014 Israel-Gaza War, or the victims of countless suicide bombings aimed at killing as many civilians as possible during the Second Intifada. I dare you to speak to the families of the victims of the Munich Massacre, or the plane hijackings that were perpetrated by Marxist-Leninist, communist PFLP terrorists such as Leila Khaled whose names are inscribed into streets and buildings across Ramallah and other PA-controlled towns and cities.
Maybe once you get to know their stories, you will learn to dispense with the lie of so-called Palestinian "oppression".
Never Again will the Jews of Israel be ruled, blackmailed, or gaslit by Muslims. Never Again.
ZERO SYMPATHY.Insaanistan wrote:Uuuuuuuuggggggghhhhh.
Yes, Jews are descendants of the Canaanites. SO ARE PALESTINIANS!
I never said “Jesus is a Palestinian,” and made it clear he ethnically was Jewish.
“99% of them would rather be Israeli than Arab,”
As someone who knows a few: no. No, they do not. Additionally, Hamas themselves asserts that Palestinians Jews are Palestinians as well, a refutation of the idea in your head Arabs are born hating Jews.
“Muslims Flooding Europe”.
Oh, I’m sorry? Did Moroccans take over Spain and Southern France and then expel all the white people? No, didn’t think so.
Arab opposition to Israel is isn’t about superiority, it’s about NOT WANTING YOUR LAND TAKEN FROM YOU by someone because their one million time great grandfather lived there.
Hamas' assertion is just a smokescreen to show how they're "not really antisemitic". Nobody's falling for it. Personal anecdotes don't prove a thing.
Remember that no-go zone in England I mentioned elsewhere?
"You're in a Muslim area. Show some respect. Cover yourself up you loose English whore."
To which the appropriate response would be "this is ENGLAND".
by Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:47 pm
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