Isaiah Brown, 32, Shot by Sheriff's Deputy After Calling 911

[Countesia]

The full call and video makes it a more understandable I think. Still very confusing though and I'm left with lots of questions.

I think there was definitely a heated argument between him and his brother, but honestly that doesn't equate to domestic abuse.

Me and my sister regularly threaten to murder eachother. Siblings have a knack for awakening unfathomable levels of rage.

[Kowani]

911 call first

Isaiah calls the police, and tells them that his brother is preventing them from getting into his mother's room, which is where the keys to his car are. The dispatcher is confused, since his car was broken down and towed. Isaiah than threatens to kill his brother, dispatcher says "don't do that", asks why he would say that. Later, dispatcher asks Isaiah if he has a gun, he says “yup.” The dispatcher then asks, “you have a gun on you?” and Isaiah replies, “nope.” The dispatcher asks a third time if he has any weapons on him and Isaiah says, “nope.”
This is about when the officer arrives.
He's walking down the street with the phone. Still on the phone with the dispatcher.
Dispatcher tells him to raise his hands. Officer yells "hands up", "show me your hands", "drop the gun" (multiple times)
Isaiah, who doesn't have a gun, doesn't drop it.
In the video, the deputy says “he’s got a gun to his head. Drop the gun now and stop walking towards me.”
tells him to stop walking again before firing 6-7 times
starts rendering medical aid


it appears he...mistook the phone for a gun
(why you would shoot someone with a gun to their head several times is beyond me)

[Borderlands of Rojava]

911 call first

Isaiah calls the police, and tells them that his brother is preventing them from getting into his mother's room, which is where the keys to his car are. The dispatcher is confused, since his car was broken down and towed. Isaiah than threatens to kill his brother, dispatcher says "don't do that", asks why he would say that. Later, dispatcher asks Isaiah if he has a gun, he says “yup.” The dispatcher then asks, “you have a gun on you?” and Isaiah replies, “nope.” The dispatcher asks a third time if he has any weapons on him and Isaiah says, “nope.”
This is about when the officer arrives.
He's walking down the street with the phone. Still on the phone with the dispatcher.
Dispatcher tells him to raise his hands. Officer yells "hands up", "show me your hands", "drop the gun" (multiple times)
Isaiah, who doesn't have a gun, doesn't drop it.
In the video, the deputy says “he’s got a gun to his head. Drop the gun now and stop walking towards me.”
tells him to stop walking again before firing 6-7 times
starts rendering medical aid


it appears he...mistook the phone for a gun
(why you would shoot someone with a gun to their head several times is beyond me)

Don't kill yourself or I'll open fire. What logic is this?

[Andsed]

Okay so basically shit was going down between Isaiah and his brother, police arrive misinterprets a phone for a gun and thinking Isiah has a gun to his head, shoots him, several times. I cannot even begin to understand what the officers logic here was. I am no expert but I think there is a pretty distinct difference between a phone and a gun. And then shooting him because he thinks he has a gun to his own head? Where is the logic in that?!

[Christian Confederation]

Idk what anyone expects from this thread. It's an open shut case of police brutality no question about it.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Idk what anyone expects from this thread. It's an open shut case of police brutality no question about it.

It's a police officer fucking up, but it's going to be used to promote an anti-police agenda.

[Austreylia]

Idk what anyone expects from this thread. It's an open shut case of police brutality no question about it.

Like another person said, it's just gonna be used to whip people up into an anti-police frenzy.

The shooting sounds indefensible, but we'll have to wait for it to be investigated before drawing any conclusions.

Either way, it'll be used to justify the next round of riots that America sees.

[-SARS-]

Idk what anyone expects from this thread. It's an open shut case of police brutality no question about it.

It's a police officer fucking up, but it's going to be used to promote an anti-police agenda.

Even if you don't believe the average police officer is a racist thug, incidents like this still offer clues on where you can improve training.

In this case, it seems that the officer thought he was dealing a mentally unstable person that had threatened his family and was now turning the gun on himself. You can't do much to prevent people from misinterpreting a situation -- human perception is fallible -- but you can train people on how to respond to different types of situations, and the best response to a potential suicide is not shooting the guy. It's trying to talk them down. The local PD should probably beef up their deescalation training.

[The Two Jerseys]

Now that we have the 911 call and bodycam footage available...

The guy calls 911 and says that he's going to kill his brother, then starts walking down the road holding the phone up to his ear. The deputy, having reason to believe that the man is armed based on his statements to the dispatcher and believing that the phone is a gun that he's holding to his head, orders the man to stop and put his hands up. The man ignores the deputy's repeated orders and continues walking toward the deputy, whereupon the deputy opens fire. We can't see if the man made any movements that the deputy could interpret as pointing a gun at him due to the angle that the bodycam was facing at the time.

I honestly have to give the deputy the benefit of the doubt here, he was put in a difficult situation because this guy and his brother were being a couple of dickheads, and based on the available evidence it sounds like the deputy had reason to believe that his life was in danger.

[Major-Tom]

You know, cops are making it very hard to believe "it's just bad cops" and "abolish the police" was too radical of a suggestion. Even I'm starting to have doubts any single scrap of the system can be saved.

It gets to me too. I think the folks who say;
"We ought to abolish the police and move to a community-based system of policing where social services are emphasized"
vs
"We ought to reform the police to make sure it is a highly-trained, selective job only for those who complete rigorous 1 or 2 year long trainings and for those who have a degree."

In other words, both have the end goal of rethinking what policing looks like in this country. Police abolition obviously carries the connotation that there will be a force out there to deal with a shooting, to deal with domestic violence calls, bulgaries etc, just with a different name? Which seems daft to me. Call it whatever you want, so long as we can really fundamentally remodel our police. I'd love to see a force that isn't comprised of 60-70% meatheaded, raging insecure white guys with buzz cuts. But that might go beyond policy and get into the diseased culture of the US itself.

[The Novakian Empire]

What in the fuck?

[Countesia]

Now that we have the 911 call and bodycam footage available...

The guy calls 911 and says that he's going to kill his brother, then starts walking down the road holding the phone up to his ear. The deputy, having reason to believe that the man is armed based on his statements to the dispatcher and believing that the phone is a gun that he's holding to his head, orders the man to stop and put his hands up. The man ignores the deputy's repeated orders and continues walking toward the deputy, whereupon the deputy opens fire. We can't see if the man made any movements that the deputy could interpret as pointing a gun at him due to the angle that the bodycam was facing at the time.

I honestly have to give the deputy the benefit of the doubt here, he was put in a difficult situation because this guy and his brother were being a couple of dickheads, and based on the available evidence it sounds like the deputy had reason to believe that his life was in danger.

The victim confirmed twice that he didn't have a gun, and whilst he did say he was going to kill his brother that was more of an expression of anger that his brother was withholding his car keys from hin, than it was an actual threat. The phone call made it clear he needed assistance. Not to mentioned he also stepped outside to meet the police officer whilst still on the phone with the dispatcher. That doesn't sound like an armed and dangerous person to me.

A family dispute shouldn't end in someone getting shot in the face

[Mercatus]

What.
The.
Fuck.

This is why the Police get a bad rep. Fuckheads like these go and do shit like this. I don’t subscribe to the belief that the Police are evil and exist to kill people, but how do people like this get on the force? I just don’t understand it.

[The Two Jerseys]

Now that we have the 911 call and bodycam footage available...

The guy calls 911 and says that he's going to kill his brother, then starts walking down the road holding the phone up to his ear. The deputy, having reason to believe that the man is armed based on his statements to the dispatcher and believing that the phone is a gun that he's holding to his head, orders the man to stop and put his hands up. The man ignores the deputy's repeated orders and continues walking toward the deputy, whereupon the deputy opens fire. We can't see if the man made any movements that the deputy could interpret as pointing a gun at him due to the angle that the bodycam was facing at the time.

I honestly have to give the deputy the benefit of the doubt here, he was put in a difficult situation because this guy and his brother were being a couple of dickheads, and based on the available evidence it sounds like the deputy had reason to believe that his life was in danger.

The victim confirmed twice that he didn't have a gun, and whilst he did say he was going to kill his brother that was more of an expression of anger that his brother was withholding his car keys from hin, than it was an actual threat. The phone call made it clear he needed assistance. Not to mentioned he also stepped outside to meet the police officer whilst still on the phone with the dispatcher. That doesn't sound like an armed and dangerous person to me.

A family dispute shouldn't end in someone getting shot in the face

It doesn't matter if it's only an "expression of anger", if you say on a 911 call that you're going to kill your brother, the police have to assume that it's a legitimate threat and act accordingly, and that includes not taking your statement that you're unarmed at face value.

[Andsed]

Now that we have the 911 call and bodycam footage available...

The guy calls 911 and says that he's going to kill his brother, then starts walking down the road holding the phone up to his ear. The deputy, having reason to believe that the man is armed based on his statements to the dispatcher and believing that the phone is a gun that he's holding to his head, orders the man to stop and put his hands up. The man ignores the deputy's repeated orders and continues walking toward the deputy, whereupon the deputy opens fire. We can't see if the man made any movements that the deputy could interpret as pointing a gun at him due to the angle that the bodycam was facing at the time.

I honestly have to give the deputy the benefit of the doubt here, he was put in a difficult situation because this guy and his brother were being a couple of dickheads, and based on the available evidence it sounds like the deputy had reason to believe that his life was in danger.

The deputy directly said the “”gun”” was not being pointed at him. Why would his life be in danger by a guy pointing a “”gun”” at his own head? How does a deputy shooting an unarmed man who never pointed any kind of weapon at him deserve the benefit of the doubt here?

[Countesia]

The victim confirmed twice that he didn't have a gun, and whilst he did say he was going to kill his brother that was more of an expression of anger that his brother was withholding his car keys from hin, than it was an actual threat. The phone call made it clear he needed assistance. Not to mentioned he also stepped outside to meet the police officer whilst still on the phone with the dispatcher. That doesn't sound like an armed and dangerous person to me.

A family dispute shouldn't end in someone getting shot in the face

It doesn't matter if it's only an "expression of anger", if you say on a 911 call that you're going to kill your brother, the police have to assume that it's a legitimate threat and act accordingly, and that includes not taking your statement that you're unarmed at face value.

Ok fair, I won't sit here and state that saying your going to kill someone to a 911 dispatcher is in any way a good idea. But I honestly think that police de-escalation can be much better than shooting someone in the face.

[Major-Tom]

What.
The.
Fuck.

This is why the Police get a bad rep. Fuckheads like these go and do shit like this. I don’t subscribe to the belief that the Police are evil and exist to kill people, but how do people like this get on the force? I just don’t understand it.

The biggest problem is loose job requirements and qualifications. It attracts a lot of jackasses with a power complex. They would be less inclined to join were they required to spend a few years in training and get a college degree.

[The Two Jerseys]

Now that we have the 911 call and bodycam footage available...

The guy calls 911 and says that he's going to kill his brother, then starts walking down the road holding the phone up to his ear. The deputy, having reason to believe that the man is armed based on his statements to the dispatcher and believing that the phone is a gun that he's holding to his head, orders the man to stop and put his hands up. The man ignores the deputy's repeated orders and continues walking toward the deputy, whereupon the deputy opens fire. We can't see if the man made any movements that the deputy could interpret as pointing a gun at him due to the angle that the bodycam was facing at the time.

I honestly have to give the deputy the benefit of the doubt here, he was put in a difficult situation because this guy and his brother were being a couple of dickheads, and based on the available evidence it sounds like the deputy had reason to believe that his life was in danger.

The deputy directly said the “”gun”” was not being pointed at him. Why would his life be in danger by a guy pointing a “”gun”” at his own head? How does a deputy shooting an unarmed man who never pointed any kind of weapon at him deserve the benefit of the doubt here?

Got a source for that?

[Alcala-Cordel]

The victim confirmed twice that he didn't have a gun, and whilst he did say he was going to kill his brother that was more of an expression of anger that his brother was withholding his car keys from hin, than it was an actual threat. The phone call made it clear he needed assistance. Not to mentioned he also stepped outside to meet the police officer whilst still on the phone with the dispatcher. That doesn't sound like an armed and dangerous person to me.

A family dispute shouldn't end in someone getting shot in the face

It doesn't matter if it's only an "expression of anger", if you say on a 911 call that you're going to kill your brother, the police have to assume that it's a legitimate threat and act accordingly, and that includes not taking your statement that you're unarmed at face value.

That's not a valid excuse for murdering someone(, especially someone who's unarmed).

[The Two Jerseys]

It doesn't matter if it's only an "expression of anger", if you say on a 911 call that you're going to kill your brother, the police have to assume that it's a legitimate threat and act accordingly, and that includes not taking your statement that you're unarmed at face value.

That's not a valid excuse for murdering someone who confirmed they're unarmed.

And we're going to believe a person who just threatened to kill someone when he says he doesn't have a gun because why, exactly?

[Alcala-Cordel]

That's not a valid excuse for murdering someone who confirmed they're unarmed.

And we're going to believe a person who just threatened to kill someone when he says he doesn't have a gun because why, exactly?

Maybe because they were clearly teasing about that? Even taken seriously, cops aren't supposed to shoot people immediately. I'd tell you that's what their tasers are for, but cops seem to have a hard time telling the difference between the two when they have an opportunity to murder someone.

Why are you so desperate to defend murderers just because they have badges?

[Godular]

Seems a bit odd expecting the police to ferry you about like a cab service.

I did exactly that when I had a massive brainfart and miscalculated how much gas I had in my tank and ran out 10 miles outside of the nearest town. Cop came over, brought me to the closest gas station, let me run inside to grab a gas can, fill it up, and brought me back to my car.

Thank goodness I didn't have to call a second time, I guess.

[The Two Jerseys]

And we're going to believe a person who just threatened to kill someone when he says he doesn't have a gun because why, exactly?

Maybe because they were clearly teasing about that? Even taken seriously, cops aren't supposed to shoot people immediately. I'd tell you that's what their tasers are for, but cops seem to have a hard time telling the difference between the two when they have an opportunity to murder someone.

Why are you so desperate to defend murderers just because they have badges?

The deputy yelled several times for the man to put the gun down and stop walking toward him before he opened fire, so now you're just flat-out lying.

Why are you so desperate to slander innocent people just because they have badges?

[Alcala-Cordel]

Maybe because they were clearly teasing about that? Even taken seriously, cops aren't supposed to shoot people immediately. I'd tell you that's what their tasers are for, but cops seem to have a hard time telling the difference between the two when they have an opportunity to murder someone.

Why are you so desperate to defend murderers just because they have badges?

The deputy yelled several times for the man to put the gun down and stop walking toward him before he opened fire, so now you're just flat-out lying.

There was no gun, and cops aren't supposed to shoot people who don't comply fast enough.

Why are you so desperate to slander innocent people just because they have badges?

Maybe I don't consider murderers who shoot people in the face 10 times after they ask for help to be innocent.

[Kowani]

Maybe because they were clearly teasing about that? Even taken seriously, cops aren't supposed to shoot people immediately. I'd tell you that's what their tasers are for, but cops seem to have a hard time telling the difference between the two when they have an opportunity to murder someone.

Why are you so desperate to defend murderers just because they have badges?

The deputy yelled several times for the man to put the gun down and stop walking toward him before he opened fire, so now you're just flat-out lying.

Why are you so desperate to slander innocent people just because they have badges?

how do you drop a gun you don't have