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Acted accordingly
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Used excessive force
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Postby -SARS- » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:44 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Seems a bit odd expecting the police to ferry you about like a cab service.


True, but it still doesn't explain shooting a guy 10 times.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:44 am

I can understand the deputy losing his cool when dispatch radios in to say what basically amounts to "you just gave a guy a ride home so he could commit domestic abuse", the part that makes no sense to me is why dispatch logged the call as a domestic abuse report in the first place.
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Postby Countesia » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:48 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:I can understand the deputy losing his cool when dispatch radios in to say what basically amounts to "you just gave a guy a ride home so he could commit domestic abuse", the part that makes no sense to me is why dispatch logged the call as a domestic abuse report in the first place.


He was still on the phone with the dispatcher when he was shot.

Now, I'm not an armed criminal or domestic abuser, but I sure as hell wouldn't remain on call with the dispatcher if i knew I had committed a crime, or was in the process of committing a crime.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:49 am

-SARS- wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Seems a bit odd expecting the police to ferry you about like a cab service.


True, but it still doesn't explain shooting a guy 10 times.


No it doesn't. I look forward to Austreylia's mental gymnastic display attempting to justifying it.
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Postby -SARS- » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:53 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
True, but it still doesn't explain shooting a guy 10 times.


No it doesn't. I look forward to Austreylia's mental gymnastic display attempting to justifying it.


Oh, man, that guy's mental gymnastics in the Chauvin thread were so cringe.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:54 am

-SARS- wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Seems a bit odd expecting the police to ferry you about like a cab service.


True, but it still doesn't explain shooting a guy 10 times.

Did the cop have a personal vendetta against this dude?

No, seriously.
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Postby Deblar » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:56 am

Wow, this is beyond messed up

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Postby Countesia » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:57 am

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
-SARS- wrote:
True, but it still doesn't explain shooting a guy 10 times.

Did the cop have a personal vendetta against this dude?

No, seriously.


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Postby Diarcesia » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:00 pm

Bruh

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Postby Deblar » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:02 pm

Diarcesia wrote:Bruh

Couldn’t have said it better myself

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Postby Omniabstracta » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:03 pm

This sounds like a fever dream, what the actual fuck.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:08 pm

What the heck. I wonder what went down in the body cam footage.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:11 pm

I'm going to hold off on the poll until I see the body cam footage, but wow it sure sounds like they "used excessive force."

I mean... what the hell? Are there paint fumes in the dispatch office? Are law enforcement not getting enough sleep?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Apr 24, 2021 12:13 pm

How the fuck does this even happen? Like at this point I may as well expect a police officer to walk up to me and be like "hey, guess what?" And when I say what, he shoots me and says "shot ya in the nuts."
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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Seems a bit odd expecting the police to ferry you about like a cab service.


It's actually fairly normal in a lot of places if you have a breakdown or something, if a cop comes by they'll usually offer to help. I've even had that happen before, only difference is they usually don't come back and shoot you.

Also fairly normal if like you are stuck in a bad part of town or just feel unsafe in-general.

I've been trying to make sense of this story for several minutes and it just is utterly baffling. Need to release the camera footage and 911 call so we can have any idea what even the timeline of events was.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:12 pm

note: for everyone saying "they should release the bodycam footage", the cops are refusing to do so


State police confirmed that they have body camera footage of the shooting but said they will not release it publicly. They said they could not immediately comment on “any motive or circumstances” related to the shooting. Investigative findings will be turned over to a special prosecutor for review.
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:13 pm

You know, cops are making it very hard to believe "it's just bad cops" and "abolish the police" was too radical of a suggestion. Even I'm starting to have doubts any single scrap of the system can be saved.
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Postby -SARS- » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:14 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Are law enforcement not getting enough sleep?


They probably aren't. Sleep deprivation is a big problem in many areas of society, and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of cops are too macho to admit when they're burnt out.

Of course, that still doesn't make it OK to shoot a guy that wasn't committing a crime.
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Postby Miidel feinger » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:17 pm

This is the sort of things that need to be talked about more, this is an unjust police brutality but currently, I don’t know if this person did anything in the past to warrant this. Currently however, I think this man/ woman deserves to be fired from there job. Absolutely appalling.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:18 pm

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Your thoughts, NS?


We require additional information and the bodycam footage to really come to informed conclusions.

Probably haven't gotten the whole story yet, so it's pointless to jump to conclusions over the motivations of the officer or Brown yet.

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Postby Kowani » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:19 pm

Kowani wrote:note: for everyone saying "they should release the bodycam footage", the cops are refusing to do so


State police confirmed that they have body camera footage of the shooting but said they will not release it publicly. They said they could not immediately comment on “any motive or circumstances” related to the shooting. Investigative findings will be turned over to a special prosecutor for review.

UPDATE: 911 call, footage released


no, i haven't seen it yet
summary in a bit
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:25 pm

The full call and video makes it a more understandable I think. Still very confusing though and I'm left with lots of questions.
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Postby -SARS- » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:27 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kowani wrote:note: for everyone saying "they should release the bodycam footage", the cops are refusing to do so


State police confirmed that they have body camera footage of the shooting but said they will not release it publicly. They said they could not immediately comment on “any motive or circumstances” related to the shooting. Investigative findings will be turned over to a special prosecutor for review.

UPDATE: 911 call, footage released


no, i haven't seen it yet
summary in a bit


That adds some relevant context that was notably absent from the original account, but if they think he's holding a gun to his own head (mistook the phone for a gun), it still doesn't justify shooting him. You don't stop a potential suicide by shooting the person and helping them along.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:28 pm

-SARS- wrote:
Kowani wrote:UPDATE: 911 call, footage released


no, i haven't seen it yet
summary in a bit


That adds some relevant context that was notably absent from the original account, but if they think he's holding a gun to his own head (mistook the phone for a gun), it still doesn't justify shooting him. You don't stop a potential suicide by shooting the person and helping them along.


This is probably my biggest takeaway yeah. I've never understood police shooting someone who has a knife or gun to themselves.
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