Isaiah Brown, 32, Shot by Sheriff's Deputy After Calling 911

[-Astoria-]

Hopefully this won’t set off BLM again

Called it.

[Austreylia]

Hopefully this won’t set off BLM again

You're kidding, right?

They riot over literally anything.

[Picairn]

Hopefully this won’t set off BLM again

The whole reason BLM existed in the first place is because of BS like this.

[Jarvikan]

Hopefully this won’t set off BLM again

Well if stopping a woman from stabbing another woman causes riots in Ohio then this will 100% cause riots

Or shooting a man trying to ram his car into police

[Seangoli]

The deputy yelled several times for the man to put the gun down and stop walking toward him before he opened fire, so now you're just flat-out lying.

There was no gun, and cops aren't supposed to shoot people who don't comply fast enough.

Why are you so desperate to slander innocent people just because they have badges?

Maybe I don't consider murderers who shoot people in the face 10 times after they ask for help to be innocent.

In this case, it wasn't merely that Mr. brown didn't comply immediately. The officer ordered him numerous times to drop what he presumed to be a weapon, which given the totality of what he was told and what Mr. Brown explicitly stated in the 911 call was a gun. He then ordered Brown to stop walking towards him, numerous times mind you, before shooting.

In this case, I can't fault the officer. Brown stated flat out, rather calmly, to the 911 operator that he was going to kill his brother, and gave am affirmative answer that he had a gun. He then refused to comply with multiple orders to drop the item, and further refused plain orders to stop moving towards the officer. He also received pretty direct directives from the 911 operator to free his hands and put them in the air, specifically so the officer would know he wasn't a threat.

This isn't a case where the officer gave garbled commands to an unknown person and then immediately escalated to shooting him. The totality of the situation, given the information Brown provided to the 911 operator and then relayed to the officer, coupled with the fact he continued to approach the officer after beyond told explicitly not to at the time, and the fact he made statements which indicated he was armed and potentially dangerous all led to the situation at hand.

After listening to the 911 call and watching the body cam footage, this is hardly how you described it. And I'm generally not one to defend the use of force vehemently as others would, mind you. Rather, this is hardly a case where an individual was shot because of baseless assumptions and over reaction. It was a case where the individual flat out said they had a gun and flat out said they intended to infict grievous harm on another, then flat out refused to comply with several orders to not approach the officer after the officer was informed of these explicit statements.

[Swayh Prijan]

They should lock those deputies up and throw away the key.

[Seangoli]

They should lock those deputies up and throw away the key.

I.urge you to both listen to the 911 call Brown made and the statements he made in the call and then watch the now released body cam footage. This one's a bit more complicated, as Brown explicitly stated he intended to kill his brother and immediately following this explicitly affirmed he had a gun on him. The officer and operator didn't assume he was armed and potentially dangerous for some unknown reason or because of base assumptions; Brown explicitly stated as much in his call, then refused numerous directives and orders to not approach the officer.

It's not even a case of victim blaming someone with a checkered criminal background; This is a case where the individual themselves gave direct and explicit information to emergency services that any reasonable person would deduce as him posing a major and immediate threat.

If you tell law enforcement you intend to kill someone, then tell them you have a gun when you don't, then approach an officer after they give multiple clear orders to not approach them, then bad things will happen and it's frankly not the officers fault for believing your own direct and explicit statements.

[Austreylia]

Someone actually did that in front of me with CBSA (Canadian Border Services) agents. Nothing happened.

Wow. That's crazy.

Somebody did the same in front of me and got a stern yelling at in a private room. Anecdotal evidence means nothing.

[Deblar]

Hopefully this won’t set off BLM again

You're kidding, right?

They riot over literally anything.

For the love of Pete..

What’s your definition of “riot”, anyway?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hopefully this won’t set off BLM again

You're kidding, right?

They riot over literally anything.

Clearly this isn't true because statistics show the overwhelmingly vast majority of protests in 2020 did not devolve into riots.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

You're kidding, right?

They riot over literally anything.

Clearly this isn't true because statistics show the overwhelmingly vast majority of protests in 2020 did not devolve into riots.

I do believe this was the case. 'Twas the extreme people who got the media coverage, leading to generalizations. They were committing violent crimes, which attracts a lot of atten--

Holy crap. Is THAT why the extreme rioters rioted?

[Laka Strolistandiler]

“Full support” for the deputy. Poor soul’s life is going to get ruined due to biased media coverage. And, of course, the name of the policeman who killed veteran during Capitol won’t be revealed... Gotta love US.

[-Astoria-]

“Full support” for the deputy. Poor soul’s life is going to get ruined due to biased media coverage. And, of course, the name of the policeman who killed veteran during Capitol won’t be revealed... Gotta love US.

Ah yes, because there's a plan to have the officer in the Babbitt case's name hidden... of course.

[Countesia]

“Full support” for the deputy. Poor soul’s life is going to get ruined due to biased media coverage. And, of course, the name of the policeman who killed veteran during Capitol won’t be revealed... Gotta love US.

Yeah i feel like the circumstances were sus but did that warrant a full blown john wick moment?

[Esalia]

Hopefully this won’t set off BLM again

Of course it will, whether for the more charitable "literally the entire reason BLM exists is because of incidents of (perceived) unjust shootings" or the less charitable "people want a reason to riot".

[Seangoli]

“Full support” for the deputy. Poor soul’s life is going to get ruined due to biased media coverage. And, of course, the name of the policeman who killed veteran during Capitol won’t be revealed... Gotta love US.

Yeah i feel like the circumstances were sus but did that warrant a full blown john wick moment?

They released both the body cam and 911 call. Brown stated he had a gun and stated he intended to kill his brother (and it didn't sound like he sounded sarcastic, or being hyperbolic), the officer gave him numerous warnings and commands to stop approaching him, and he continued to approach the officer. Note, again, he explicitly stated his intent to kill his brother *and* affirmed he had a gun, in a pretty calm and serious manner.

There have been a lot of bad incidents over the years, but what can one reasonably expect an officer's reaction to be when they are told this information, and the person who explicitly gave this information is refusing basic orders and is acting in a manner that could reasonably be deduced as threatening after that person gave that information?

It's not a case where the officer made an assumption for some reason or another that Brown had a gun; Brown explicitly affirms he has one when talking to 911, and he explicitly stated rather calmly that he intended to kill someone. At that point, the officer has both a right and a duty to treat the situation as extremely dangerous and the individual is both armed and willing to use the weapon, because Brown himself stated as much. He may not have meant it, but there is no reasonable reason why the operator or the officer could or would know this.

[Postauthoritarian America]

A half-dozen people were shot by cops within 24 hours of the Chauvin verdict. Burning down precinct houses and throwing killer cops in jail apparently isn't getting the message across. Minneapolis recently settled two cop murder cases for $20 million and $27 million respectively. Local media report Brooklyn Center's annual take from property taxes is $20 million so a similar settlement would effectively bankrupt the city and/or force it to double taxation. Maybe that is what has to happen: cities that cannot or will not reform their police forces need to be driven into bankruptcy.

Make no mistake, if young unarmed white men were being cut down in the streets by police with the same frequency as young unarmed Black men we would all be talking about abolishing the police today, and people like Tucker Carlson would be leading the charge.

[Alcala-Cordel]

Why does the US police operate so much like a very incompetent criminal gang?

Is it incompetence if it's deliberate? They're very good at hiding exactly what they did, unless people get outraged.

[Uzbekstaland]

If they will shoot dead a criminal for trying to get back into his car who is to say they wont shoot an innocent person for having their phone

[Seangoli]

If they will shoot dead a criminal for trying to get back into his car who is to say they wont shoot an innocent person for having their phone

That's not what happened. Brown called 911, told them he was going to kill his brother, said he had a gun, then continued to approach the officer after repeated warnings and orders not to.

[Ors Might]

If they will shoot dead a criminal for trying to get back into his car who is to say they wont shoot an innocent person for having their phone

That's not what happened. Brown called 911, told them he was going to kill his brother, said he had a gun, then continued to approach the officer after repeated warnings and orders not to.

Okay but the deputy shot him believing that Brown was holding a gun to his own head, about to kill himself. I think faulty training is mostly to blame but you have to acknowledge the pants on headedness of pointing a gun at someone that you are ostensibly trying to talk down from shooting themselves.

[Seangoli]

That's not what happened. Brown called 911, told them he was going to kill his brother, said he had a gun, then continued to approach the officer after repeated warnings and orders not to.

Okay but the deputy shot him believing that Brown was holding a gun to his own head, about to kill himself. I think faulty training is mostly to blame but you have to acknowledge the pants on headedness of pointing a gun at someone that you are ostensibly trying to talk down from shooting themselves.

It takes very little time for a person to move a gun from one position to another. He didn't necessarily think Brown was trying to shoot himself, and even if that thought was going through his head it is not unreasonable to assume he was dangerous given the totality of the situation.

I will be frank, I don't fault the officer in this one. It was almost pitch black out, Brown said he was going to kill someone, said he had a gun, the officer was given this information, Brown refused to comply with basic orders to not approach the officer.

Sometimes shit adds up to these situations. In this case, had Brown not made explicit statements indicating he posted a threat then there would be no reason for the officer to assume as much. Rather, the officer had every reason to believe the situation was dangerous given Brown's statements, and didn't need to assume much of anything. He formed his conclusions on the nature of the situation based on the direct statements Brown made to the 911 operator.

If you tell the police you intend to kill someone and have a gun, and then refuse to comply with orders to not approach the officer and drop what they perceive to be a gun, in this case specifically because you told them you had a gun, then there really isn't.much more that can be done. Police aren't mind readers, and in this case the officer was acting on the information provided by Brown himself as well as the situation at hand where he was being noncompliant after stating information that any reasonable person would deem as a realistic threat.

The moral of this story is don't tell the police you have a gun and intend to kill someone then not only refuse to follow their orders when they arive, but actually do the exact opposite of what they are telling you to do. That's just a recipe for disaster.

There are plenty of instances where the officers actions are unwarranted, or bad training was involved. This one occurred because Brown, for reasons I don't fully comprehend, decided it was a good idea to tell a 911 operator he was going to kill his brother *and* he had a gun, and following this decided it would be prudent to not only ignore the directions of the 911 operator to put his hands on the air when the officer arrived to indicate he isn't a threat, but also found it prudent to ignore multiple clear warnings and directives by the officer to not approach him. The only reason why these directives and orders were necessary, mind you, was because Brown made statements that he posed an immediate and direct threat to human life.

No training in the world will help you if somebody does that. This wasn't a case of confusion, it wasn't a case of officers assuming he was dangerous for no particular reason, and it wasn't a case of them assuming he had a weapon. He told them all of that, so it is perfectly reasonable and expected for officers to respond to the situation believing that.

[Rusozak]

“Full support” for the deputy. Poor soul’s life is going to get ruined due to biased media coverage. And, of course, the name of the policeman who killed veteran during Capitol won’t be revealed... Gotta love US.

You mean the trespassing insurrectionist?

Also, define "full support" because I wouldn't put you above supporting shooting someone who's black because they're black.

[The Black Forrest]

how do you drop a gun you don't have

Maybe tell the cop you don't have a gun?

The cop was still wrong to open fire, though. If you think someone is going to shoot themselves, opening fire so they can get shot by your gun instead of theirs is not the thing to do.

Was he?

911 would have passed on information of him having a gun and threatening to kill his brother. They expected a gun. He wasn’t responding to their orders and pointing a gun at your head doesn’t mean you can’t in one quick motion point it as the police.

This is another unfortunate incident.

Listening to the tape; I did have an impression he might have been drunk....it could also simply be the way he talked. The tox report will probably answer that one.

[Seangoli]

Maybe tell the cop you don't have a gun?

The cop was still wrong to open fire, though. If you think someone is going to shoot themselves, opening fire so they can get shot by your gun instead of theirs is not the thing to do.

Was he?

911 would have passed on information of him having a gun and threatening to kill his brother. They expected a gun. He wasn’t responding to their orders and pointing a gun at your head doesn’t mean you can’t in one quick motion point it as the police.

This is another unfortunate incident.

Listening to the tape; I did have an impression he might have been drunk....it could also simply be the way he talked. The tox report will probably answer that one.

Brown is currently in intensive care, and hopefully survives.