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The proposals to end the BBC licence fee agreement are:

An excellent idea; the socialists at the BBC have leeched off the British public for far too long.
48
18%
An idea I'm open to discussing, though I have reservations about the timing and the specifics.
15
6%
A bad idea as framed; I'm open to reform of BBC funding, but not like this, and not now.
28
11%
A terrible idea that the government is using to advance a cynical culture war agenda to save Johnson's skin.
80
30%
I have an altar to Sir David Attenborough in my living room and have watched every episode of Dr Who.
25
9%
Wait... you Brits actually have to pay for a TV licence?
68
26%
 
Total votes : 264

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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri May 07, 2021 10:27 am

Just read this, all I can say is ouch.

More criticism of the Labour party has come in from one of its own MPs - and he doesn't hold back.

Khalid Mahmood - who was until a few weeks ago a shadow defence minister - says: "A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party.

"They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

"The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world.

"A bit of superficial flag-waving – reinforced by urgent memos from party HQ – isn’t going to fix that.

"We fix that by supporting jobs in these so-called left behind areas – with changes to public procurement, for example, that bring jobs back to the UK and support manufacturing jobs, including those in high tech, advanced manufacturing."

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 10:28 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Just read this, all I can say is ouch.

More criticism of the Labour party has come in from one of its own MPs - and he doesn't hold back.

Khalid Mahmood - who was until a few weeks ago a shadow defence minister - says: "A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party.

"They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

"The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world.

"A bit of superficial flag-waving – reinforced by urgent memos from party HQ – isn’t going to fix that.

"We fix that by supporting jobs in these so-called left behind areas – with changes to public procurement, for example, that bring jobs back to the UK and support manufacturing jobs, including those in high tech, advanced manufacturing."

Grim. Absolutely Grim.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 07, 2021 10:28 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Just read this, all I can say is ouch.

More criticism of the Labour party has come in from one of its own MPs - and he doesn't hold back.

Khalid Mahmood - who was until a few weeks ago a shadow defence minister - says: "A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party.

"They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

"The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world.

"A bit of superficial flag-waving – reinforced by urgent memos from party HQ – isn’t going to fix that.

"We fix that by supporting jobs in these so-called left behind areas – with changes to public procurement, for example, that bring jobs back to the UK and support manufacturing jobs, including those in high tech, advanced manufacturing."



Glad to see people saying it.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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The Notorious Mad Jack
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 am

Someone ask Khalid Mahmood if he was helping pull people up by jumping the vaccine queue.
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 10:30 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Someone ask Khalid Mahmood if he was helping pull people up by jumping the vaccine queue.

Grim.

Apparently he also discriminated against an assistant because she was jewish based on what im just starting to read online about the man. Dont know if thats true though.
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 10:31 am

SNP hold Moray
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Fri May 07, 2021 10:35 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Someone ask Khalid Mahmood if he was helping pull people up by jumping the vaccine queue.

Grim.

Apparently he also discriminated against an assistant because she was jewish based on what im just starting to read online about the man. Dont know if thats true though.

That would be his former partner of 17 years, Elena Cohen, who he used expenses to take to a 5 star hotel for what tabloids at the time described as a 'sex romp'. His legal costs at the employment tribunal Cohen brought against him in 2018 were also claimed on expenses.
Totally not MadJack, though I hear he's incredibly smart and handsome.

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Dresderstan
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 10:41 am

CON HOLD Dumfriesshire 3.3% swing to Con

SNP HOLD Inverness & Nairn 4.2% swing to Con
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23 year old, PA male. Love sports like baseball, hockey and American football, enjoy video games and TV. Music chart nerd, can't live without it. I'm gay. Fuck neo-liberalism

Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 07, 2021 10:43 am

The bbc live stream seems to be no longer working for me.

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Dresderstan
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 10:48 am

San Lumen wrote:The bbc live stream seems to be no longer working for me.

Still working for me.
23 year old, PA male. Love sports like baseball, hockey and American football, enjoy video games and TV. Music chart nerd, can't live without it. I'm gay. Fuck neo-liberalism

Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri May 07, 2021 10:50 am

I wonder if anyone is going to HOLD Starmer. I think he needs it.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 07, 2021 10:52 am

Clench your butts for the bridgend constituency. Sarah Murphy is a good egg and pro mens issues.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 07, 2021 10:53 am

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The bbc live stream seems to be no longer working for me.

Still working for me.

It isn’t for me. I tap it on my phone and it doesn’t play

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 07, 2021 10:54 am

12,000 for Sarah. Woop woop. Labour hold Bridgend.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 10:55 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I wonder if anyone is going to HOLD Starmer. I think he needs it.

It would be fascinating but probably depressing to see what goes on in the head of a party leader when they suffer big losses.

Like i dread to imagine what was going through Corbyns mind in 2019.
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Dresderstan
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 10:55 am

Labour HOLD Bridgend
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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Dresderstan
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 10:57 am

SNP GAIN Edinburgh Central
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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 07, 2021 10:58 am

Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Dresderstan
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 11:20 am

Labour HOLD Edinburgh Southern 3% to Labour
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23 year old, PA male. Love sports like baseball, hockey and American football, enjoy video games and TV. Music chart nerd, can't live without it. I'm gay. Fuck neo-liberalism

Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
Remake the Free World, wipe the slate clean, a nation born and baptized in blood and fire shall be reborn again.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 11:22 am

Dresderstan wrote:Labour HOLD Edinburgh Southern 3% to Labour

Very good that.
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An Alan Smithee Nation
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri May 07, 2021 11:31 am

England, Scotland, and Wales all seem on very different political trajectories. Doesn't bode well for the future of the union.
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Postby Immortan Khan » Fri May 07, 2021 11:31 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:Someone ask Khalid Mahmood if he was helping pull people up by jumping the vaccine queue.

Doesn't mean his criticisms aren't valid.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 11:32 am

Plaid Lads win Ceredigion with an increase of 14.4%. The Lib Dem vote share imploded and lost 22.1%

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:England, Scotland, and Wales all seem on very different political trajectories. Doesn't bode well for the future of the union.

Not very United like is it.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 11:35 am

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