UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[Vassenor]

so boris
what is this supposed to do that the paras and the SF's cant
or are we simply aping the US Army again

What's it to you?

How does it effect you?

I wasn't aware we needed to be personally affected by issues we discuss in this thread.

[-Astoria-]

What's it to you?

How does it effect you?

I wasn't aware we needed to be personally affected by issues we discuss in this thread.

It's also a bit hypocritical as well.

[Kerwa]

so boris
what is this supposed to do that the paras and the SF's cant
or are we simply aping the US Army again

It’s artillery and armor and the Paras and SF aren’t?

[Fartsniffage]

so boris
what is this supposed to do that the paras and the SF's cant
or are we simply aping the US Army again

It’s artillery and armor and the Paras and SF aren’t?

Where are the artillery and armour? It's all infantry battalions.

[Kerwa]

It’s artillery and armor and the Paras and SF aren’t?

Where are the artillery and armour? It's all infantry battalions.

My bad. I was confusing it with something else. Ignore what I typed.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It’s artillery and armor and the Paras and SF aren’t?

Where are the artillery and armour? It's all infantry battalions.

Dont even have the numbers of working m270's they'll need for this "brigade" lol.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Labour extend their lead to 8pts over the Tories in the latest YouGov/Times Westminster voting intention (fieldwork 9-10 Dec)

CON: 32% (-1 from 8-9 Dec)
LAB: 40% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
RFM: 7% (+1)
GRN: 7% (=)
SNP: 4% (-1)

EDIT: Westminster Voting Intention Via @focaldataHQ, 9-10 Dec.

LAB: 41%
CON: 33%
LDM: 7%
GRN: 6%
SNP: 5%

Two polls showing an 8 point labour lead

POG?

[Dystopian Florida]

Labour extend their lead to 8pts over the Tories in the latest YouGov/Times Westminster voting intention (fieldwork 9-10 Dec)

CON: 32% (-1 from 8-9 Dec)
LAB: 40% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
RFM: 7% (+1)
GRN: 7% (=)
SNP: 4% (-1)

POG?

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Labour won't fix the issues of the working class, since they have abandoned said working class.

[Vassenor]

Labour extend their lead to 8pts over the Tories in the latest YouGov/Times Westminster voting intention (fieldwork 9-10 Dec)

CON: 32% (-1 from 8-9 Dec)
LAB: 40% (+3)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
RFM: 7% (+1)
GRN: 7% (=)
SNP: 4% (-1)

POG?

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Labour won't fix the issues of the working class, since they have abandoned said working class.

Abandoned it how?

[Dystopian Florida]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Labour won't fix the issues of the working class, since they have abandoned said working class.

Abandoned it how?

Embracing Blairite neoliberal centrism and taking Great Britain into the Iraq War. Rejecting Brexit. Tossing Corbyn overboard.

[Vassenor]

Abandoned it how?

Embracing Blairite neoliberal centrism and taking Great Britain into the Iraq War. Rejecting Brexit. Tossing Corbyn overboard.

And how has Brexit helped the working classes?

[Dystopian Florida]

Embracing Blairite neoliberal centrism and taking Great Britain into the Iraq War. Rejecting Brexit. Tossing Corbyn overboard.

And how has Brexit helped the working classes?

You'd have to ask them, but their support for it suggests to me that they know the issue better than either of us.

[Vassenor]

And how has Brexit helped the working classes?

You'd have to ask them, but their support for it suggests to me that they know the issue better than either of us.

So you can't explain why it's good for the working classes or what is making them support it?

[Dystopian Florida]

You'd have to ask them, but their support for it suggests to me that they know the issue better than either of us.

So you can't explain why it's good for the working classes or what is making them support it?

I trust them to know their own self-interest better than I do, but then I'm not British and am not directly affected by it. The Iraq War and failure to re-nationalize key industries that Thatcher privatized were telling. How did Blairite centrism [i]help[/i] the working class, if you know it so well?

[Vassenor]

So you can't explain why it's good for the working classes or what is making them support it?

I trust them to know their own self-interest better than I do, but then I'm not British and am not directly affected by it. The Iraq War and failure to re-nationalize key industries that Thatcher privatized were telling. How did Blairite centrism [i]help[/i] the working class, if you know it so well?

Almost like the Conservative government -gasp- lied to everyone about Brexit.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

the Communist Party of Great Britain - Marxist-Leninist

if these guys weren't Putinist lackeys I'd honestly prefer them over Labour lmfao

[The Huskar Social Union]

There are plenty of working class people opposed to Brexit, such as myself and most of the people where i live in West Belfast. Namely because its been a complete and utter shit show that threatened to destabilise our home and we knew this from day one of the referendum.

edit: For anyone curious West Belfast had the second highest proportion vote in support of staying in the EU in Northern Ireland at 74.1% behind Foyle which had 78.3%

[Dystopian Florida]

I trust them to know their own self-interest better than I do, but then I'm not British and am not directly affected by it. The Iraq War and failure to re-nationalize key industries that Thatcher privatized were telling. How did Blairite centrism [i]help[/i] the working class, if you know it so well?

Almost like the Conservative government -gasp- lied to everyone about Brexit.

Okay, politicians lie. It's part of the job description in most countries, if not all. But you haven't answered how Blairite centrist neoliberalism helped the British working class, especially when they not only kept most of Thatcherism intact, but also took the UK into a bloody and pointless war?

[Dystopian Florida]

the Communist Party of Great Britain - Marxist-Leninist

if these guys weren't Putinist lackeys I'd honestly prefer them over Labour lmfao

Putin isn't a Communist, though. Why would British Reds be sympathetic to a neo-Tsarist like Putin?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

if these guys weren't Putinist lackeys I'd honestly prefer them over Labour lmfao

Putin isn't a Communist, though. Why would British Reds be sympathetic to a neo-Tsarist like Putin?

because in the modern extreme leftist world Putin literally shits rainbows and unicorns.

[Vassenor]

Almost like the Conservative government -gasp- lied to everyone about Brexit.

Okay, politicians lie. It's part of the job description in most countries, if not all. But you haven't answered how Blairite centrist neoliberalism helped the British working class, especially when they not only kept most of Thatcherism intact, but also took the UK into a bloody and pointless war?

You're arguing that Labour abandoned the Working Classes by not supporting Brexit, but can't explain how it was good for the working classes for it to happen. And how did the Iraq War harm the working classes?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Putin isn't a Communist, though. Why would British Reds be sympathetic to a neo-Tsarist like Putin?

because in the modern extreme leftist world Putin literally shits rainbows and unicorns.

Always makes me laugh when i see some far leftwing types go on about American and British Imperialism then bend over backwards to suck putins dick and defend everything Russia does to its neighbours.

[Dystopian Florida]

Putin isn't a Communist, though. Why would British Reds be sympathetic to a neo-Tsarist like Putin?

because in the modern extreme leftist world Putin literally shits rainbows and unicorns.

I'm fairly left-wing on economics, more moderate on cultural ones, but I don't see Putin as a god or as a devil. He's just an uncrowned Tsar.

[Dystopian Florida]

Okay, politicians lie. It's part of the job description in most countries, if not all. But you haven't answered how Blairite centrist neoliberalism helped the British working class, especially when they not only kept most of Thatcherism intact, but also took the UK into a bloody and pointless war?

You're arguing that Labour abandoned the Working Classes by not supporting Brexit, but can't explain how it was good for the working classes for it to happen. And how did the Iraq War harm the working classes?

Who do you think does most of the fighting? Rich men's kids?

[Vassenor]

You're arguing that Labour abandoned the Working Classes by not supporting Brexit, but can't explain how it was good for the working classes for it to happen. And how did the Iraq War harm the working classes?

Who do you think does most of the fighting? Rich men's kids?

Did we move from an all-volunteer army back to conscription while I wasn't looking? And why is it only Iraq that's harmful to the working classes? Why not Afghanistan? Or Kosovo?