UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[Vystercia-Nasucrea]

meanwhile in other news
27 year old unvaccinated drops dead from... *drumroll* COVID19
Patel thinks the French will help her with flammenwerfering the xenos
and the africans are being blamed for the latest variant

Of course.

Market socialism sounds nice on paper, but give me social democracy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This; but get ready to have about five million complaints that because of that, you want to exploit the global south.

You can't please anyone these days, am I right?

[HISPIDA]

I wonder when the anti-feminists will learn that they actually do have some valid points, but that coating everything in a thick layer of 'they want to RULE us! Bad Femoids!!11!!!' just makes the whole goddamn thing a laughingstock.

i mean, are you surprised? hatred tends to stick out; qanon, feminazis, incels.

i personally think that male rights shouldn't be ignored -- higher incarceration rates, higher rates of male suicide, a lack of male mental health discussion, unpunished admission to female-on-male rape (see: cardi b), toxic masculinity, attacks on and discrimination against effeminate men, etc. -- but that doesn't give people a right to completely ignore anti-female bias in society, especially bias directed towards trans women. if society as a whole wants true equality (not benefits for one sex or gender over another) then both sides should be equally addressed and seen as valid points. just like how feminists should take into account the issues with male rights i mentioned earlier, male rights activists (meninists?) should take into account the gender wage gap, body image issues, reproductive rights, female genital mutilation, the perpetuation of female stereotypes (toxic femininity?), and social inequality, as well as the multitude of other issues that women have to deal with.

alas, not the thread.

[Vystercia-Nasucrea]

I wonder when the anti-feminists will learn that they actually do have some valid points, but that coating everything in a thick layer of 'they want to RULE us! Bad Femoids!!11!!!' just makes the whole goddamn thing a laughingstock.

i mean, are you surprised? hatred tends to stick out; qanon, feminazis, incels.

i personally think that male rights shouldn't be ignored -- higher incarceration rates, higher rates of male suicide, a lack of male mental health discussion, unpunished admission to female-on-male rape (see: cardi b), toxic masculinity, attacks on and discrimination against effeminate men, etc. -- but that doesn't give people a right to completely ignore anti-female bias in society, especially bias directed towards trans women. if society as a whole wants true equality (not benefits for one sex or gender over another) then both sides should be equally addressed and seen as valid points. just like how feminists should take into account the issues with male rights i mentioned earlier, male rights activists (meninists?) should take into account the gender wage gap, body image issues, reproductive rights, female genital mutilation, the perpetuation of female stereotypes (toxic femininity?), and social inequality, as well as the multitude of other issues that women have to deal with.

alas, not the thread.

Ah, common sense. We don't do that here in America.

[HISPIDA]

i mean, are you surprised? hatred tends to stick out; qanon, feminazis, incels.

i personally think that male rights shouldn't be ignored -- higher incarceration rates, higher rates of male suicide, a lack of male mental health discussion, unpunished admission to female-on-male rape (see: cardi b), toxic masculinity, attacks on and discrimination against effeminate men, etc. -- but that doesn't give people a right to completely ignore anti-female bias in society, especially bias directed towards trans women. if society as a whole wants true equality (not benefits for one sex or gender over another) then both sides should be equally addressed and seen as valid points. just like how feminists should take into account the issues with male rights i mentioned earlier, male rights activists (meninists?) should take into account the gender wage gap, body image issues, reproductive rights, female genital mutilation, the perpetuation of female stereotypes (toxic femininity?), and social inequality, as well as the multitude of other issues that women have to deal with.

alas, not the thread.

Ah, common sense. We don't do that here in America.

trust me, i know all too well. lived here for all 17 years of my life

[The Blaatschapen]

i mean, are you surprised? hatred tends to stick out; qanon, feminazis, incels.

i personally think that male rights shouldn't be ignored -- higher incarceration rates, higher rates of male suicide, a lack of male mental health discussion, unpunished admission to female-on-male rape (see: cardi b), toxic masculinity, attacks on and discrimination against effeminate men, etc. -- but that doesn't give people a right to completely ignore anti-female bias in society, especially bias directed towards trans women. if society as a whole wants true equality (not benefits for one sex or gender over another) then both sides should be equally addressed and seen as valid points. just like how feminists should take into account the issues with male rights i mentioned earlier, male rights activists (meninists?) should take into account the gender wage gap, body image issues, reproductive rights, female genital mutilation, the perpetuation of female stereotypes (toxic femininity?), and social inequality, as well as the multitude of other issues that women have to deal with.

alas, not the thread.

Ah, common sense. We don't do that here in America.

This is the UK politics thread.


*looks*

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Carry on.

[Diahon]

Ah, common sense. We don't do that here in America.

This is the UK politics thread.


*looks*

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Carry on.

as you know, dutchling, crosspond relations can get real awkward at times

[Celritannia]

Brexit chief Lord Frost said leaving EU single market would cost Brits £1,500 each

[The Nihilistic view]

Brexit chief Lord Frost said leaving EU single market would cost Brits £1,500 each

This is what I love about the strange world of brexit, you have left wingers lining up to take up the word of a lobbyist for the alcohol industry. Because lobbyists never lie whilst lobbying and it definitely isn't an industry that causes negative externalities to society they need to cover up with lobbying.

Or maybe he is just somebody that can actually do the job he gets paid to do irrespective of his personal views, something that less and less people seem to be able to do these days.

Either way it's quite funny.

[Vassenor]

Brexit chief Lord Frost said leaving EU single market would cost Brits £1,500 each

This is what I love about the strange world of brexit, you have left wingers lining up to take up the word of a lobbyist for the alcohol industry. Because lobbyists never lie whilst lobbying and it definitely isn't an industry that causes negative externalities to society they need to cover up with lobbying.

Or maybe he is just somebody that can actually do the job he gets paid to do irrespective of his personal views, something that less and less people seem to be able to do these days.

Either way it's quite funny.

Whereas you have right wingers saying actual subject matter experts must be wrong because what they're saying might suggest Brexit is a bad thing.

"So called experts and their lies".

[Celritannia]

Brexit chief Lord Frost said leaving EU single market would cost Brits £1,500 each

This is what I love about the strange world of brexit, you have left wingers lining up to take up the word of a lobbyist for the alcohol industry. Because lobbyists never lie whilst lobbying and it definitely isn't an industry that causes negative externalities to society they need to cover up with lobbying.

Or maybe he is just somebody that can actually do the job he gets paid to do irrespective of his personal views, something that less and less people seem to be able to do these days.

Either way it's quite funny.

Or people are just pragmatic about the situation and know Brexit is a failure.

How many people in the UK do you think can afford an extra £1,500?

[Philjia]

Apparently the 1922 committee have "been to see" Boris Johnson. No word on what's been said, I'd hazard it's along the lines of "if we lose any of these fucking by elections we're going to have your head on a pike outside Conservative Campaign Headquarters".

[Ifreann]

Apparently the 1922 committee have "been to see" Boris Johnson. No word on what's been said, I'd hazard it's along the lines of "if we lose any of these fucking by elections we're going to have your head on a pike outside Conservative Campaign Headquarters".

They all want to know if Peppa Pig world is really that good.

[Imperial States of Duotona]

Apparently the 1922 committee have "been to see" Boris Johnson. No word on what's been said, I'd hazard it's along the lines of "if we lose any of these fucking by elections we're going to have your head on a pike outside Conservative Campaign Headquarters".

They all want to know if Peppa Pig world is really that good.

No, they have a few Israelites trapped on an oil rig in the North Sea and they need Boris 'Moses' Johnson to rescue them.

Brexit chief Lord Frost said leaving EU single market would cost Brits £1,500 each

"What if we do a stimulus package like the US, but in REVERSE?"

[The Nihilistic view]

This is what I love about the strange world of brexit, you have left wingers lining up to take up the word of a lobbyist for the alcohol industry. Because lobbyists never lie whilst lobbying and it definitely isn't an industry that causes negative externalities to society they need to cover up with lobbying.

Or maybe he is just somebody that can actually do the job he gets paid to do irrespective of his personal views, something that less and less people seem to be able to do these days.

Either way it's quite funny.

Whereas you have right wingers saying actual subject matter experts must be wrong because what they're saying might suggest Brexit is a bad thing.

"So called experts and their lies".

Good you think David Frost is an expert.

[The Nihilistic view]

This is what I love about the strange world of brexit, you have left wingers lining up to take up the word of a lobbyist for the alcohol industry. Because lobbyists never lie whilst lobbying and it definitely isn't an industry that causes negative externalities to society they need to cover up with lobbying.

Or maybe he is just somebody that can actually do the job he gets paid to do irrespective of his personal views, something that less and less people seem to be able to do these days.

Either way it's quite funny.

Or people are just pragmatic about the situation and know Brexit is a failure.

How many people in the UK do you think can afford an extra £1,500?

Nobody has to because that's not actually what even Frost was saying.

[Hukhalia]

the hysteria over brexit here is making the thread's token tory seem (comparatively) reasonable and this is actually making me concerned regarding the actual state of the british left

[The Huskar Social Union]

the hysteria over brexit here is making the thread's token tory seem (comparatively) reasonable and this is actually making me concerned regarding the actual state of the british left

I dont get involved with it that much any more because everyone knows i despise it with a passion for NI specific reasons that have been covered to death lol

[Hukhalia]

the hysteria over brexit here is making the thread's token tory seem (comparatively) reasonable and this is actually making me concerned regarding the actual state of the british left

I dont get involved with it that much any more because everyone knows i despise it with a passion for NI specific reasons that have been covered to death lol

tbf i don't blame people from NI for hating brexit as it happened, you lot got totally fucked over by it.

[Hukhalia]

Brexit chief Lord Frost said leaving EU single market would cost Brits £1,500 each

this entire prediction is contingent upon the idea that GDP is fairly evenly distributed which obviously isn't true. this is a meme argument.

[The Nihilistic view]

Or that it works out as £32 of added value per year of membership per person. If you just divided our net EU contributions in the years before we left and gave it directly to the people in equal shares each year each person would get £215 per year. You give me £215 per year for the next 47 years I've got a lot more than £1500 stashed up. The problem with the return for EU contributions in GDP terms is 20% return is normally quite good on face value except its not 20% because what you have actually done is traded £215 of real money for £32 of added GDP. You haven't still got the capital so it's really an 80% loss.

So following that investment principle you'd be best off taking the money and putting it in a investment fund that acted like a private state pension and paid out extra pension to each retired person to top up the current state pension. You've created far more equity for more people that way and in a small way partly soved one problem of an aging population. And on top of that if you give said fund certain rules around where it can invest you can use it to support UK buisness and new startups. Essentially its state venture capitalism where society reaps the early equity profits from a company that a private venture capitalist or investment bank would normally pocket. And this would also create jobs, grow the UK's GDP, distribute money to UK people and preserve the original capital introduced.

But it's probably too revolutionary for any party and far too much like state sponsored capitalism for everybody in this thread.

[Vassenor]

the hysteria over brexit here is making the thread's token tory seem (comparatively) reasonable and this is actually making me concerned regarding the actual state of the british left

So how are we defining “hysteria” anyway?

[The Nihilistic view]

the hysteria over brexit here is making the thread's token tory seem (comparatively) reasonable and this is actually making me concerned regarding the actual state of the british left

So how are we defining “hysteria” anyway?

Same way as we define the patriarchy I imagine.

[Hukhalia]

the hysteria over brexit here is making the thread's token tory seem (comparatively) reasonable and this is actually making me concerned regarding the actual state of the british left

So how are we defining “hysteria” anyway?

it's a purely rhetorical statement and the term has nothing to do with the general point i was making. your post is literally air.

[Vassenor]

So how are we defining “hysteria” anyway?

it's a purely rhetorical statement and the term has nothing to do with the general point i was making. your post is literally air.

I mean you’re accusing us of hysteria over brexit. I’m asking what you’re defining as hysteria in order to make that accusation.

[Hukhalia]

it's a purely rhetorical statement and the term has nothing to do with the general point i was making. your post is literally air.

I mean you’re accusing us of hysteria over brexit. I’m asking what you’re defining as hysteria in order to make that accusation.

i define hysteria in that instance as things which i consider to be annoying -- i really don't know what else you expect as a response to this blatantly bad-faith posting