Hukhalia wrote:the current means by which variable capital in the form of migrant labour is exported around the world for easier exploitation is actually advantageous to the present ruling authorities, i'm not really a fan of immigration as it presently occurs -- however blind xenophobia towards peoples on the basis of negative actions by certain elements of their culture is not really the way to properly address this.
I'm fine with reforming the economy to be socialist.
Ostroeuropa wrote:Hukhalia wrote:Cooperation with cultures that normalize rape gangs? Or is this just you trying to change the discussion.
the idea that you immediately think "rape gang" when you hear "pakistani culture" is honestly disgusting[/quote]
There's the performative outrage at reality being noticed that I expected.
-- of course the handling of said rape gangs was appalling and unjustifiable, but it is entirely possible to reconcile the greater pakistani culture -
Not really. Islam is a sexist and segregationist religion and the particular cultural tensions of Pakistan bring its worst elements to the forefront. (Male muslims can marry outside Islam, Female muslims can only marry Muslims. It is not shocking this produces a particular viewpoint about non-muslim women.). Rape gangs are an inevitable consequence of Pakistani culture in the same way that Epstein Island was an inevitable outcome of Capitalism.
Systems produce outcomes. Cultures are systems.
which really has nothing to do with rape gangs - and have it operate within a secular context. millions of pakistanis are productive and functioning citizens of this country; you, as i presume a british patriot, should respect them for that.
The issue is that the overall culture produces these extremes in large numbers.
A room filled with water up to 6 foot 6 will drown anyone beneath it. Those taller than that are fine.
But we wouldn't pretend "But that's similar to the other room where the water is up to 5 foot 6.", because it just straightforwardly isn't in terms of impact.
There is far more racism, tribalism, misogyny, and justification for rape in terms of memetic contagion in pakistani and islamic culture. The waterline is simply worse and clearly past a tipping point.
So they have disproportionate numbers of organized rape gangs, disproportionate numbers of rapists, disproportionate numbers of wife beaters, and casual misogynists, and so on.
And you can turn to me and say "But, not every Pakistani is awful" and I can tell you "Sure. Not every Pakistani is shorter than 6 foot 6. What exactly do you think you're contributing here?".
We can fairly conclusively say the problem is Pakistani culture. Pakistani's trying to have their own "Communities" ensures this continues unabated. Especially since we let them have religious schools and so on.
You tell me that there's a bunch of them living and working here. I can accept that. I can also accept the reality that they are, generally speaking, not "6 foot 6" and will be below the waterline.
The dregs of British society are comparable to the Average Pakistani. While exceptional Pakistani's may be our equals, that is hardly worth consideration. And the numbers bare this out.
I'm tired of pretending they don't. A culture that had ritualistic huffing of paint being expected to produce citizens of equal quality to the rest of us would be fairly straightforward to see the problem with.
Well. My friend.
Culture is a hell of a drug.
We have attitudes surveys to tell us as much. The number who think gay people are acceptable was so low that it was within the margin of error. Half of them think they should go to prison.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... sharia-lawAnd the progressive response is to ramble about how homophobes also exist among Britons. But remember the waterline, and remember this;
The dregs of British society are comparable to the Average Pakistani. While exceptional Pakistani's may be our equals, that is hardly worth consideration. And the numbers bare this out.