UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[The Nihilistic view]

Boris is a front man. His role is to win elections whilst the serious buisness of reshaping the country and an electoral coalition for a generation is conducted out of your sight.

Just returning to this old post for a second, because I want to take a moment to congratulate the Conservative Party on their success in reshaping the country, as demonstrated by recent events; kudos on your party's success. My scepticism about your post was clearly misplaced.

It's important here that those of us who vote for other parties acknowledge that you never claimed that the 'serious business of reshaping the country' would involve making the country better. It's also true that we might have raised an eyebrow if you'd told us at the time that the plan was to reshape the country by returning us to a slightly shit version of the 1970s, only with worse music, but there you go. The country is certainly being reshaped.

And might I add that, as someone who's a similar age to several Cabinet ministers, I can certainly understand why many of them might have some level of nostalgia for their formative decade. It merely puzzles me that they'd want to return us to the days of Jim Callaghan; I had always thought that Margaret Thatcher was considered more of a role model to the Conservative Party. Still, who am I to argue?

Still, kudos again; that project to reshape the country has certainly come to fruition in recent weeks.


And if anyone's curious, I recently started a new job (in the UK), so that's taken much of my recent focus.

I'm just curious how long you might have spent queuing for fuel this weekend. I would have expected somebody like you to reel off a list of past UK Fuel crisis such as the one in 2000 rather than fall into omg it's the 70s.

[Vassenor]

Also related to the earlier discussion - the UK is now comparable to Poland, Hungary and Russia in its treatment of the LGBT community.

[Kowani]

An estimated 50-85% of UK petrol stations outside of the motorway network have run out of fuel

[The New California Republic]

An estimated 50-85% of UK petrol stations outside of the motorway network have run out of fuel

"But the UK has plenty of fuel!" - UK Gov.

[The Huskar Social Union]

An estimated 50-85% of UK petrol stations outside of the motorway network have run out of fuel

Fickle me

Edit: fuck*

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

An estimated 50-85% of UK petrol stations outside of the motorway network have run out of fuel

"But the UK has plenty of fuel!" - UK Gov.

It does, there's just no one to deliver it, allowing the government to claim that there isn't a fuel shortage.

[The New California Republic]

"But the UK has plenty of fuel!" - UK Gov.

It does, there's just no one to deliver it, allowing the government to claim that there isn't a fuel shortage.

Yes, I was pointing out the sophistry that the gov is trying to pull.

[Heloin]

An estimated 50-85% of UK petrol stations outside of the motorway network have run out of fuel

Fickle me

Edit: fuck*

Embrace the fickle.

[Philjia]

Labour conference has voted in favour of increasing the proportion of MPs needed for a leadership nomination from 10% to 20%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58699946

[Ifreann]

Labour conference has voted in favour of increasing the proportion of MPs needed for a leadership nomination from 10% to 20%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58699946

They could have just changed the rule to "Only Starmer may be leader", would have been simpler.

[San Lumen]

Labour conference has voted in favour of increasing the proportion of MPs needed for a leadership nomination from 10% to 20%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58699946

They could have just changed the rule to "Only Starmer may be leader", would have been simpler.

Maybe after they lose enough times they will finally pick a leader who can win and develop a coherent message.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

I mean if it would've stopped Corbyn, sounds like a rule that's needed.

[Ifreann]

I mean if it would've stopped Corbyn, sounds like a rule that's needed.

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, there wouldn't have been a leadership contest, just a coronation of Starmer.

[The Archregimancy]

Just returning to this old post for a second, because I want to take a moment to congratulate the Conservative Party on their success in reshaping the country, as demonstrated by recent events; kudos on your party's success. My scepticism about your post was clearly misplaced.

It's important here that those of us who vote for other parties acknowledge that you never claimed that the 'serious business of reshaping the country' would involve making the country better. It's also true that we might have raised an eyebrow if you'd told us at the time that the plan was to reshape the country by returning us to a slightly shit version of the 1970s, only with worse music, but there you go. The country is certainly being reshaped.

And might I add that, as someone who's a similar age to several Cabinet ministers, I can certainly understand why many of them might have some level of nostalgia for their formative decade. It merely puzzles me that they'd want to return us to the days of Jim Callaghan; I had always thought that Margaret Thatcher was considered more of a role model to the Conservative Party. Still, who am I to argue?

Still, kudos again; that project to reshape the country has certainly come to fruition in recent weeks.


And if anyone's curious, I recently started a new job (in the UK), so that's taken much of my recent focus.

I'm just curious how long you might have spent queuing for fuel this weekend. I would have expected somebody like you to reel off a list of past UK Fuel crisis such as the one in 2000 rather than fall into omg it's the 70s.

My post made no mention of fuel, nor was I intending to single out fuel; that you apparently assumed it was primarily about fuel says rather more, I think, about your current focus points than mine.

But, for the record, I've spent absolutely no time at all queuing for fuel this weekend - largely because I drive an electric car, and recharge at home; at this point I'm undecided as to whether I'm relieved or smug. Let's wait and see what the impact of the rise in gas and electricity prices has on my recharging before I start gloating.

Otherwise, I hope most posters will forgive me my moment of schadenfreude; and I wish you all the best with this ongoing and no doubt spectacularly successful project of reshaping the country.

[San Lumen]

I mean if it would've stopped Corbyn, sounds like a rule that's needed.

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, there wouldn't have been a leadership contest, just a coronation of Starmer.

I don't think Labor would have done any better in the previous election with Starmer if this years local elections are anything to go by.

[Hirota]

I mean if it would've stopped Corbyn, sounds like a rule that's needed.

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, there wouldn't have been a leadership contest, just a coronation of Starmer.

In theory, if the 2020 leadership election was to happen under these rules, only Sir Keir would receive enough nominations from MP's. In practice, more MP's would have most likely nominated other candidates like Long-Bailey and Nandy, if only to further the democratic process - once a candidate has enough endorsements, there is little need for them to go looking for more endorsements.

Still, it also stops the 3 quid members from voting, which again is (again) probably there to stop another fringe (aka Corbyn) winner.

But it's a pyrrhic victory at best. He stirred up a big noisy fight between the various Labour camps, had to concede and backtrack from the proposed electoral college system, and still only just managed to scrape it through. That's probably not the outcome a leader seeking to win would want.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

I mean if it would've stopped Corbyn, sounds like a rule that's needed.

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, there wouldn't have been a leadership contest, just a coronation of Starmer.

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, those looking to take part would've likely tried harder to gain the required amount of nominations.

[The New California Republic]

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Otherwise, I hope most posters will forgive me my moment of schadenfreude; and I wish you all the best with this ongoing and no doubt spectacularly successful project of reshaping the country.

Regarding fuel, I'm currently restoring my vintage motor, so it's on bricks, and thus perfect timing for this to happen, as it isn't going anywhere anyway.

As for the rest of the shit that is happening, unfortunately I can't put myself on bricks to opt out of it...

[Ifreann]

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, there wouldn't have been a leadership contest, just a coronation of Starmer.

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, those looking to take part would've likely tried harder to gain the required amount of nominations.

So then this rule change is pointless.

[Hirota]

I don't believe this was reported whilst I was away, but it's a contributing factor towards this energy crisis we seem to find ourselves in. Nothing to do with Brexit or Lorry Drivers I'm afraid, just a fire.

[Vassenor]

If this rule had been in place for the last leadership contest, those looking to take part would've likely tried harder to gain the required amount of nominations.

So then this rule change is pointless.

It keeps the left wing party from actually being left wing though. That's all that matters.

[The Nihilistic view]

I'm just curious how long you might have spent queuing for fuel this weekend. I would have expected somebody like you to reel off a list of past UK Fuel crisis such as the one in 2000 rather than fall into omg it's the 70s.

My post made no mention of fuel, nor was I intending to single out fuel; that you apparently assumed it was primarily about fuel says rather more, I think, about your current focus points than mine.

But, for the record, I've spent absolutely no time at all queuing for fuel this weekend - largely because I drive an electric car, and recharge at home; at this point I'm undecided as to whether I'm relieved or smug. Let's wait and see what the impact of the rise in gas and electricity prices has on my recharging before I start gloating.

Otherwise, I hope most posters will forgive me my moment of schadenfreude; and I wish you all the best with this ongoing and no doubt spectacularly successful project of reshaping the country.

Makes post about the 70s in the middle of a fuel crisis, expects people not to think about the fuel crisis.


Anyway it's more the risk of winter blackouts over the next few years you probably need to worry about, the price of charging a car at home isn't going to become more expensive than petrol anytime soon. And if it does its because everybody has an electric car and the government slap duty on electricity to recover the £30bn they just lost on fuel duty.

[San Lumen]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-58697307

Labour conference: Angela Rayner stands by calling Boris Johnson 'scum'

[Vassenor]

EU lorry drivers union says on Today “we will not go back to England to help them get out of the shit they created themselves”.

So we're pretty much at this situation because of this government's ineptitude.

[Diahon]

I'm just curious how long you might have spent queuing for fuel this weekend. I would have expected somebody like you to reel off a list of past UK Fuel crisis such as the one in 2000 rather than fall into omg it's the 70s.

My post made no mention of fuel, nor was I intending to single out fuel; that you apparently assumed it was primarily about fuel says rather more, I think, about your current focus points than mine.

But, for the record, I've spent absolutely no time at all queuing for fuel this weekend - largely because I drive an electric car, and recharge at home; at this point I'm undecided as to whether I'm relieved or smug. Let's wait and see what the impact of the rise in gas and electricity prices has on my recharging before I start gloating.

Otherwise, I hope most posters will forgive me my moment of schadenfreude; and I wish you all the best with this ongoing and no doubt spectacularly successful project of reshaping the country.

torture

ultimately from torquere, to twist

fancy pretzel you got yourselves in, ya brits