UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well... this is a hot take.

It's so obvious what's been going on for many, many years though. If labour truly wanted to, they could put this closer to the centre of their manifesto and point out everything that's happening that works towards this. They either don't do it because they're stupid or they don't do it because they're part of the same political club that is aware of two important things: that things are coming down in Britain and that they're in a great position to take advantage of what happens when they do. The biggest con that both of these parties play is convincing sections of society that they have their best interests at heart.

Yeah but as we have seen the EU is more important than the conditions of UK workers. When the answer to the question is get back cheap EU Labour not reform of an industry to pay a decent wage for the work then you have to wonder what the point of Labour is anymore.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh yeah Alba has two MP's


Forgot about that.

[Dakini]

Oh yeah Alba has two MP's


Forgot about that.

Oh gross, people defected to them. Though I guess it looks like at least one was a transphobe. I'm actually somewhat surprised more of the TERFs haven't jumped ship.

[Philjia]

Oh yeah Alba has two MP's


Forgot about that.

Probably not after the next election though.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh yeah Alba has two MP's


Forgot about that.

Probably not after the next election though.

They will share the fate of the ChUK

[The Huskar Social Union]

Braniel Primary: First Irish pre-school in east Belfast to relocate

A Belfast primary school has said that an "ongoing social media hate campaign" means that an Irish language nursery will now not open at the school.

Naíscoil na Seolta is the first Irish language pre-school in east Belfast and was due to open at Braniel Primary School in September.

It is a separate school from Braniel, but was to be housed in a classroom on the site of the 400-pupil primary.

However, Naíscoil na Seolta has now decided to relocate elsewhere.

In a letter to parents Braniel's principal, staff and governors said the school was proud to be "a shared space for all".

"Due to an ongoing social media hate campaign against some individuals and the Integrated Naíscoil na Seolta, it is with great sadness that it is choosing to relocate to an alternative location," they said.

"A social media campaign was started and fuelled by those who are not connected to the school, nor are parents of our school and who are clearly were not interested in facts and truth."

The letter said that comments had been posted on social media "that were littered with unfounded erroneous allegations about certain individuals and the Naíscoil".

It continued: "Braniel Nursery and Primary School is not and should never be thought of as a contested space.

"We are proud to be a shared space for all."

=CONTINUES=

Bunch of backwards twats. That fucking terrified of their children learning or hearing a bit of Irish so they kick up a hate campaign and now the preschool is moving elsewhere.

edit: In fact i wonder how many of these dickheads are even from the area to begin with or if they even had kids here. Either way they should be a fucking shamed of themselves.

[Dakini]

Oh yeah Alba has two MP's


Forgot about that.

Probably not after the next election though.

Probably why the rest of the SNP TERFs didn't defect.

[Chan Island]

You know what a major problem is they all highlight? Pay and conditions. It's like I've been talking about this........

They are also all from the time where instead of working out a new buisness model they have been moaning about a need for cheap labour whilst not offering a wage that the job justifies. It's clear the industry is still more like 19th century than the 21st. And investment in equipment along with pay and working practices that fit the 21st century is needed if they want to stay in buisness and attract workers.

The immigration debate isn't actually about helping people 'find a better life' etc, from either side. The left wants people to come and work in terrible conditions in this country, the right just wants to export the problem to another.

And people give me funny looks when I say I cannot give a damn about the issue of immigration. Few other debates are so obviously in bad faith by all sides. The first cause I find that genuinely champions the living conditions and afforded human decency of immigrants, without getting into the stupid weeds about numbers or illegality or quoting the statue of liberty or what have you will gain my undying endorsement.

[The Nihilistic view]

You know what a major problem is they all highlight? Pay and conditions. It's like I've been talking about this........

They are also all from the time where instead of working out a new buisness model they have been moaning about a need for cheap labour whilst not offering a wage that the job justifies. It's clear the industry is still more like 19th century than the 21st. And investment in equipment along with pay and working practices that fit the 21st century is needed if they want to stay in buisness and attract workers.

The immigration debate isn't actually about helping people 'find a better life' etc, from either side. The left wants people to come and work in terrible conditions in this country, the right just wants to export the problem to another.

I think there is a small crowd on both sides that like the idea of things like this improves overtime. Obviously people like me believe that resetting the market by ending free movement is the way to go and the people on the left that see it as an opportunity of brexit would have their own more interventionist polices to try and do the same thing. I accept on both sides though we seem to be a fairly small minority that sees this as an opportunity to genuinely improve pay and conditions in the longer term and therfore help the low paid or those stuck in the benefits trap. Like perhaps those on benefits could keep half their benefits if they take such a job due to it's seasonal nature. There will be plenty of ways through both the market and public policy to improve the attractiveness off the sectors that previously relied on artificially cheap labour.

[Chan Island]

The immigration debate isn't actually about helping people 'find a better life' etc, from either side. The left wants people to come and work in terrible conditions in this country, the right just wants to export the problem to another.

I think there is a small crowd on both sides that like the idea of things like this improves overtime. Obviously people like me believe that resetting the market by ending free movement is the way to go and the people on the left that see it as an opportunity of brexit would have their own more interventionist polices to try and do the same thing. I accept on both sides though we seem to be a fairly small minority that sees this as an opportunity to genuinely improve pay and conditions in the longer term and therfore help the low paid or those stuck in the benefits trap. Like perhaps those on benefits could keep half their benefits if they take such a job due to it's seasonal nature. There will be plenty of ways through both the market and public policy to improve the attractiveness off the sectors that previously relied on artificially cheap labour.

Not sure there are many palatable market solutions to this. Farming already is heavily subsidised and overwhelmingly controlled by big business- with immense profits for those at the top. The cheap seasonal labour is just one of the cherries on the top. Meanwhile, life's tough for the publicly imaged 'small' farmer (not that there are many of those around, the market's been brutal on small farmers for literal centuries). If there is a solution, it would most certainly have to be a public policy one.

[Celritannia]

It's so obvious what's been going on for many, many years though. If labour truly wanted to, they could put this closer to the centre of their manifesto and point out everything that's happening that works towards this. They either don't do it because they're stupid or they don't do it because they're part of the same political club that is aware of two important things: that things are coming down in Britain and that they're in a great position to take advantage of what happens when they do. The biggest con that both of these parties play is convincing sections of society that they have their best interests at heart.

Yeah but as we have seen the EU is more important than the conditions of UK workers. When the answer to the question is get back cheap EU Labour not reform of an industry to pay a decent wage for the work then you have to wonder what the point of Labour is anymore.

How about both?

[The Nihilistic view]

Yeah but as we have seen the EU is more important than the conditions of UK workers. When the answer to the question is get back cheap EU Labour not reform of an industry to pay a decent wage for the work then you have to wonder what the point of Labour is anymore.

How about both?

So you're going to set the minimum wage by industry?

[The Blaatschapen]

The immigration debate isn't actually about helping people 'find a better life' etc, from either side. The left wants people to come and work in terrible conditions in this country, the right just wants to export the problem to another.

I think there is a small crowd on both sides that like the idea of things like this improves overtime. Obviously people like me believe that resetting the market by ending free movement is the way to go and the people on the left that see it as an opportunity of brexit would have their own more interventionist polices to try and do the same thing. I accept on both sides though we seem to be a fairly small minority that sees this as an opportunity to genuinely improve pay and conditions in the longer term and therfore help the low paid or those stuck in the benefits trap. Like perhaps those on benefits could keep half their benefits if they take such a job due to it's seasonal nature. There will be plenty of ways through both the market and public policy to improve the attractiveness off the sectors that previously relied on artificially cheap labour.

In Germany, people can have a "mini job" that pays 450 euro at most per month without it cutting into their benefits.

I believe, I've heard of it, didn't experience it myself.

Now, that would be a part time job probably (both here and in UK), but perfect for seasonal work. Work two, three mornings a week in the harvest, etc.

Would such a thing be a solution? Obviously adapted to UK standards, but the concept in general?

[Celritannia]

How about both?

So you're going to set the minimum wage by industry?

The minimum wage would be set to £10 an hour, tax reductions for small businesses to allow them to pay their workers this wage.
Benefits would not be instantly taken away once a job is secured but will be a gradual reduction each month to ensure the person has got the job after the probation period.

You know, like Germany.

And perhaps nationalise the farming industry.

[The Nihilistic view]

So you're going to set the minimum wage by industry?

The minimum wage would be set to £10 an hour, tax reductions for small businesses to allow them to pay their workers this wage.
Benefits would not be instantly taken away once a job is secured but will be a gradual reduction each month to ensure the person has got the job after the probation period.

You know, like Germany.

And perhaps nationalise the farming industry.

£10 isn't enough but one minimum wage across the whole economy is the problem that makes good wages incompatible with economic migration between countries of different weather levels. That's why I ask if you are going to donit industry by industry because doesn't matter what the wage level is because for the same wage those sorts of jobs are always going to be the last choice of most people.

Also lmao at nationalised farms.

[The Nihilistic view]

I think there is a small crowd on both sides that like the idea of things like this improves overtime. Obviously people like me believe that resetting the market by ending free movement is the way to go and the people on the left that see it as an opportunity of brexit would have their own more interventionist polices to try and do the same thing. I accept on both sides though we seem to be a fairly small minority that sees this as an opportunity to genuinely improve pay and conditions in the longer term and therfore help the low paid or those stuck in the benefits trap. Like perhaps those on benefits could keep half their benefits if they take such a job due to it's seasonal nature. There will be plenty of ways through both the market and public policy to improve the attractiveness off the sectors that previously relied on artificially cheap labour.

In Germany, people can have a "mini job" that pays 450 euro at most per month without it cutting into their benefits.

I believe, I've heard of it, didn't experience it myself.

Now, that would be a part time job probably (both here and in UK), but perfect for seasonal work. Work two, three mornings a week in the harvest, etc.

Would such a thing be a solution? Obviously adapted to UK standards, but the concept in general?

Not sure if that perhaps enough, it's maybe better to have a threshold of earnings at which you withdraw benifits at a certain % of each extra pound. Then you don't have a cliff edge where it's sometimes better not to work.

[The Huskar Social Union]

BREAKING: New emails reveal Government used taxpayers’ money to conduct political polling

Good Law Project had a court hearing last week in connection with our challenge to the award of a lucrative public contract to associates of Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings at Hanbury without competition.

Documents we can now disclose show that Hanbury, under the instruction of the Cabinet Office, were given taxpayers’ money to conduct ‘political polling’ on key opposition figures, including Keir Starmer and Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan.

The decision to spend public money polling on opposition politicians left civil servants deeply, and rightly, uncomfortable. One said on email: ‘hanbury measure attitude towards political figures, which they shouldn’t do using government money, but they have been asked to and it’s a battle that i think is hard to fight’.

Documents unearthed in the course of our hearing also include this March 2020 email from Dominic Cummings to civil servants demanding approval is given ‘immediately’ for Hanbury to commence polling work, adding: ‘Anybody in CABOFF whines tell them i ordered it from PM’.

News of Hanbury’s involvement was not well received. One civil servant wrote: ‘this all makes me really uncomfortable. ben warner wants us to spend £110k of public money per month with the agency who were behind vote leave who have no mainstream polling experience.’

The evidence also shows Dominic Cumming’s close ally and former No.10 advisor Ben Warner (another Vote Leave veteran) was directing civil servants to his private WhatsApp rather than his official email address. In one email to civil servants, he claims: ‘often its easier to catch me over WhatsApp than email.’ Needless to say, Government hasn’t disclosed any of Mr Warner’s WhatsApp messages.

This money doesn’t belong to the Tories. They shouldn’t be spending it working out how to win elections. It’s public money – from taxes we all work hard to pay. And it’s a kind of theft for them to misuse it for the purposes of the Conservative Party.

[Ifreann]

BREAKING: New emails reveal Government used taxpayers’ money to conduct political polling

Good Law Project had a court hearing last week in connection with our challenge to the award of a lucrative public contract to associates of Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings at Hanbury without competition.

Documents we can now disclose show that Hanbury, under the instruction of the Cabinet Office, were given taxpayers’ money to conduct ‘political polling’ on key opposition figures, including Keir Starmer and Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan.

The decision to spend public money polling on opposition politicians left civil servants deeply, and rightly, uncomfortable. One said on email: ‘hanbury measure attitude towards political figures, which they shouldn’t do using government money, but they have been asked to and it’s a battle that i think is hard to fight’.

Documents unearthed in the course of our hearing also include this March 2020 email from Dominic Cummings to civil servants demanding approval is given ‘immediately’ for Hanbury to commence polling work, adding: ‘Anybody in CABOFF whines tell them i ordered it from PM’.

News of Hanbury’s involvement was not well received. One civil servant wrote: ‘this all makes me really uncomfortable. ben warner wants us to spend £110k of public money per month with the agency who were behind vote leave who have no mainstream polling experience.’

The evidence also shows Dominic Cumming’s close ally and former No.10 advisor Ben Warner (another Vote Leave veteran) was directing civil servants to his private WhatsApp rather than his official email address. In one email to civil servants, he claims: ‘often its easier to catch me over WhatsApp than email.’ Needless to say, Government hasn’t disclosed any of Mr Warner’s WhatsApp messages.

This money doesn’t belong to the Tories. They shouldn’t be spending it working out how to win elections. It’s public money – from taxes we all work hard to pay. And it’s a kind of theft for them to misuse it for the purposes of the Conservative Party.

CON +9

[Keira]

BREAKING: New emails reveal Government used taxpayers’ money to conduct political polling

-snip-

I thought they already did that? Like, on YouGov?

[Vassenor]

BREAKING: New emails reveal Government used taxpayers’ money to conduct political polling

I thought they already did that? Like, on YouGov?

YouGov receives public funding?

[The Nihilistic view]

BREAKING: New emails reveal Government used taxpayers’ money to conduct political polling

Good Law Project had a court hearing last week in connection with our challenge to the award of a lucrative public contract to associates of Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings at Hanbury without competition.

Documents we can now disclose show that Hanbury, under the instruction of the Cabinet Office, were given taxpayers’ money to conduct ‘political polling’ on key opposition figures, including Keir Starmer and Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan.

The decision to spend public money polling on opposition politicians left civil servants deeply, and rightly, uncomfortable. One said on email: ‘hanbury measure attitude towards political figures, which they shouldn’t do using government money, but they have been asked to and it’s a battle that i think is hard to fight’.

Documents unearthed in the course of our hearing also include this March 2020 email from Dominic Cummings to civil servants demanding approval is given ‘immediately’ for Hanbury to commence polling work, adding: ‘Anybody in CABOFF whines tell them i ordered it from PM’.

News of Hanbury’s involvement was not well received. One civil servant wrote: ‘this all makes me really uncomfortable. ben warner wants us to spend £110k of public money per month with the agency who were behind vote leave who have no mainstream polling experience.’

The evidence also shows Dominic Cumming’s close ally and former No.10 advisor Ben Warner (another Vote Leave veteran) was directing civil servants to his private WhatsApp rather than his official email address. In one email to civil servants, he claims: ‘often its easier to catch me over WhatsApp than email.’ Needless to say, Government hasn’t disclosed any of Mr Warner’s WhatsApp messages.

This money doesn’t belong to the Tories. They shouldn’t be spending it working out how to win elections. It’s public money – from taxes we all work hard to pay. And it’s a kind of theft for them to misuse it for the purposes of the Conservative Party.

So when are the good law project going to moan about £9m of taxpayers money being spent on remainer leaflets?

[Celritannia]

The minimum wage would be set to £10 an hour, tax reductions for small businesses to allow them to pay their workers this wage.
Benefits would not be instantly taken away once a job is secured but will be a gradual reduction each month to ensure the person has got the job after the probation period.

You know, like Germany.

And perhaps nationalise the farming industry.

£10 isn't enough but one minimum wage across the whole economy is the problem that makes good wages incompatible with economic migration between countries of different weather levels. That's why I ask if you are going to donit industry by industry because doesn't matter what the wage level is because for the same wage those sorts of jobs are always going to be the last choice of most people.

Also lmao at nationalised farms.

There needs to be one overall minimum wage, and then allow industries to increase it above that if they can (or are forced to) do it.
But farmers won't be able to afford those wages unless farms are nationalised.

The Government have done it with Sheffield steel.

[Keira]

I thought they already did that? Like, on YouGov?

YouGov receives public funding?

I always assumed it did, but it probably doesn't. I dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I always got strange, conservative vibes from them. They even stopped sending me survey invites after I told them I wasn't a British citizen a couple times. Apparently they don't poll non-Brits? Weird, but OK.

[The Huskar Social Union]

YouGov receives public funding?

I always assumed it did, but it probably doesn't. I dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I always got strange, conservative vibes from them. They even stopped sending me survey invites after I told them I wasn't a British citizen a couple times. Apparently they don't poll non-Brits? Weird, but OK.

I dont think it does, and from what i remember it was established by someone who ended up becoming a conservative MP.

edit: Yeah one of the co-founders was Nadhim Zahawi.

BREAKING: New emails reveal Government used taxpayers’ money to conduct political polling

So when are the good law project going to moan about £9m of taxpayers money being spent on remainer leaflets?

Dont know you could shoot them an email to ask.

[Celritannia]

BREAKING: New emails reveal Government used taxpayers’ money to conduct political polling

So when are the good law project going to moan about £9m of taxpayers money being spent on remainer leaflets?

Do you mean those Tory government-funded remain leaflets by David Cameron? Would the current Tory Party really bring David Cameron's Tory Party to court? I wonder.