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What do we think of the Prime Minister's speech?

It was fantastic
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:24 am

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If by blue voters you mean UK conservative voters where the fuck are you getting your figures from? Rishi Sunak is far more popular.


It is just a guess from what I see online from Conservative voters.

You need to be careful with that kind of thing and whether or not its actually reflective. A lot of Labour voters in 2019 online were convinced that Corbyn was gona brick Johnson in the face with some jam jars and waltz into 10 downing street.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
It is just a guess from what I see online from Conservative voters.

You need to be careful with that kind of thing and whether or not its actually reflective. A lot of Labour voters in 2019 online were convinced that Corbyn was gona brick Johnson in the face with some jam jars and waltz into 10 downing street.


Point taken. The hard left in America thought the same thing about Bernie Sanders.



Anyway, back to the poll question, are Northerns really thinking about succession, and if they do succeed, will Northern England be part of the UK, or a completely independent nation?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:39 am

North Washington Republic wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:You need to be careful with that kind of thing and whether or not its actually reflective. A lot of Labour voters in 2019 online were convinced that Corbyn was gona brick Johnson in the face with some jam jars and waltz into 10 downing street.


Point taken. The hard left in America thought the same thing about Bernie Sanders.



Anyway, back to the poll question, are Northerns really thinking about succession, and if they do succeed, will Northern England be part of the UK, or a completely independent nation?


No they aren't. And I am immensely pissed with the OP for creating that poll.
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Good to see that the new thread has launched alright.
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*Except for that poll of course. Ew.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:00 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Point taken. The hard left in America thought the same thing about Bernie Sanders.



Anyway, back to the poll question, are Northerns really thinking about succession, and if they do succeed, will Northern England be part of the UK, or a completely independent nation?


No they aren't. And I am immensely pissed with the OP for creating that poll.


Well, a better one will come soon enough. Maybe something for the council/London/Wales/Scotland/Hartlepool vote in a couple of weeks.
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North Washington Republic wrote:
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If by blue voters you mean UK conservative voters where the fuck are you getting your figures from? Rishi Sunak is far more popular.


It is just a guess from what I see online from Conservative voters.


Popular, or are they just agreeing with her because she keeps going on about brown people being bad?
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I deplore the widespread ignorance of the centrality of the Northumbrian question.

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
It is just a guess from what I see online from Conservative voters.

You need to be careful with that kind of thing and whether or not its actually reflective. A lot of Labour voters in 2019 online were convinced that Corbyn was gona brick Johnson in the face with some jam jars and waltz into 10 downing street.


Instead Boris waltzed into a fridge.........
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Postby Celritannia » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:08 am

The poll exists just to show Northumbrian independence is stupid.
An actual sensible poll will exist Monday

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Next conservative leader is a pointless prediction at the moment, it's likely a number of years until a contest is imminent so it's probably going to be somebody nobody has thought of at the moment.
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Fenwick Foundation wrote:Poll suggestion: Northern independence.


I hope you're happy. Look at how people dislike the idea.

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The Nihilistic view wrote:Next conservative leader is a pointless prediction at the moment, it's likely a number of years until a contest is imminent so it's probably going to be somebody nobody has thought of at the moment.


That's how I see it. With the Tories poised to win Hartlepool in a couple of weeks, there's no one going against Johnson for a while.
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North Washington Republic wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:You need to be careful with that kind of thing and whether or not its actually reflective. A lot of Labour voters in 2019 online were convinced that Corbyn was gona brick Johnson in the face with some jam jars and waltz into 10 downing street.


Point taken. The hard left in America thought the same thing about Bernie Sanders.



Anyway, back to the poll question, are Northerns really thinking about succession, and if they do succeed, will Northern England be part of the UK, or a completely independent nation?


A devolved Yorkshire Parliament is far more likely than an independent United North. Its absolutely stupid.

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Celritannia wrote:
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Point taken. The hard left in America thought the same thing about Bernie Sanders.



Anyway, back to the poll question, are Northerns really thinking about succession, and if they do succeed, will Northern England be part of the UK, or a completely independent nation?


A devolved Yorkshire Parliament is far more likely than an independent United North. Its absolutely stupid.

I mean, if the idea was for the various counties to have their own devolved parliaments (but to remain part of the UK), with control over finances, for instance, (a devolved Cumbria, a devolved Northumberland, a devolved Yorkshire, a devolved Lancashire and devolved Lincolnshire)... that might be something that people would actually consider a realistic proposition.
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Celritannia wrote:
A devolved Yorkshire Parliament is far more likely than an independent United North. Its absolutely stupid.

I mean, if the idea was for the various counties to have their own devolved parliaments, with control over finances, for instance, (a devolved Cumbria, a devolved Northumberland, a devolved Yorkshire, a devolved Lancashire and devolved Lincolnshire)... that might be something that people would actually be in favour of.


The regions more than the counties, kind of like the failed Northeastern Parliament idea.
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A devolved Yorkshire Parliament is far more likely than an independent United North. Its absolutely stupid.

I mean, if the idea was for the various counties to have their own devolved parliaments (but to remain part of the UK), with control over finances, for instance, (a devolved Cumbria, a devolved Northumberland, a devolved Yorkshire, a devolved Lancashire and devolved Lincolnshire)... that might be something that people would actually consider a realistic proposition.


I think the break up of the UK would happen before any English devolution. If English devolution was on the agenda I would expect the old government office region system to be used rather than counties - North West, North East, Yorkshire and the Humber, West Midlands, East Midlands, East of England, South West, South East, and London.
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North Washington Republic wrote:So, who do you think is going to be Tory leader after BoJo? My money is on Priti Patel

I'd guess Rishi Sunak. I hear he's a superhero of some kind.
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This is why I support a devolved Yorkshire Parliament, and remove this nonsense.


How does that stop people canvassing for the Greens........

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The Free Joy State wrote:I mean, if the idea was for the various counties to have their own devolved parliaments, with control over finances, for instance, (a devolved Cumbria, a devolved Northumberland, a devolved Yorkshire, a devolved Lancashire and devolved Lincolnshire)... that might be something that people would actually be in favour of.


The regions more than the counties, kind of like the failed Northeastern Parliament idea.


Agreed. Although Cornwall may want their own assembly, which I can understand.
North West may want to split between Lancashire and Cumbria.

But this is why I support a federal UK nonetheless.

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The Free Joy State wrote:I mean, if the idea was for the various counties to have their own devolved parliaments (but to remain part of the UK), with control over finances, for instance, (a devolved Cumbria, a devolved Northumberland, a devolved Yorkshire, a devolved Lancashire and devolved Lincolnshire)... that might be something that people would actually consider a realistic proposition.


I think the break up of the UK would happen before any English devolution. If English devolution was on the agenda I would expect the old government office region system to be used rather than counties - North West, North East, Yorkshire and the Humber, West Midlands, East Midlands, East of England, South West, South East, and London.

Agreed. Though, I think, if something as seismic as Scotland leaving the UK were to happen, that might make English devolution less likely, rather than more. I think -- if there were any strong moves towards independence from Scotland, we would see (at least with Boris Johnson) moves towards more centralisation rather than less.
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I'm wondering if some of the £2.6 million for the Downing Street media briefing room, that they suddenly abandoned before using it, actually got used to decorate Boris's flat instead. Though he couldn't be that blatant surely?
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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm wondering if some of the £2.6 million for the Downing Street media briefing room, that they suddenly abandoned before using it, actually got used to decorate Boris's flat instead. Though he couldn't be that blatant surely?

Oh, please... according to Cummings' revelations, all Boris needs is a black balaclava and a bag marked "Swag".
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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm wondering if some of the £2.6 million for the Downing Street media briefing room, that they suddenly abandoned before using it, actually got used to decorate Boris's flat instead. Though he couldn't be that blatant surely?

Oh, please... according to Cummings' revelations, all Boris needs is a black balaclava and a bag marked "Swag".


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