UK Politics Thread IX: Try turning the UK off and on again.

[Aymes]

What is the point in this?

Irish language is spoken by tiny amounts of people in Northern Ireland. Am I wrong?

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

I mean, that’s kind of what I thought of it.

The article even mentions demonstrators being transported to Belfast by bus from the Republic of Ireland.

[The Alma Mater]

What is the point in this?

Irish language is spoken by tiny amounts of people in Northern Ireland. Am I wrong?

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

And why does almost nobody speak Irish in Ireland?

[Heloin]

What is the point in this?

Irish language is spoken by tiny amounts of people in Northern Ireland. Am I wrong?

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

Pop into this thread again to see Munk insulting and dismissing the Cornish people so I see his tact and care about the non-English people of Britain is just as graceful as ever.

As I think as I've already said, please don't get me wrong, I have great respect for the indigenous peoples of this island.

Really proved me wrong, didn't ya?

[Celritannia]

Offshore accounts need to be heavily taxed. Just because they are allowed does not mean they are right.

Big businesses and the mega rich should not be able to get away with paying little tax. It fucks up the economy and puts the burden more on the regular people

But tories don't care if the people suffer, as long as they horde their wealth.

Did you even read his post?

Yes. And again, it is wrong.

[The Nihilistic view]

I don't believe there are any offshore accounts. But nice ad hominem.

Offshore accounts need to be heavily taxed. Just because they are allowed does not mean they are right.

Big businesses and the mega rich should not be able to get away with paying little tax. It fucks up the economy and puts the burden more on the regular people

But tories don't care if the people suffer, as long as they horde their wealth.

You're completely missing the whole point, you can't tax them fundamentally because the people who control the accounts are not resident in the UK. So your idea is basically go around taking money out of accounts of people that don't live in the UK. Secondly how do you do that when the account isn't even in your regulatory area?

You are inhabiting some odd fantasy land over this. There is reality and then there is whatever is in your head and it appears you think just because you say it that makes it possible and or true.

[The Nihilistic view]

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

And why does almost nobody speak Irish in Ireland?

Cos the northumbrians beat it out of them.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

And why does almost nobody speak Irish in Ireland?

They have no excuse. We don't speak French.

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

As I think as I've already said, please don't get me wrong, I have great respect for the indigenous peoples of this island.

Really proved me wrong, didn't ya?

I combine my respect with telling the truth.

[Celritannia]

Offshore accounts need to be heavily taxed. Just because they are allowed does not mean they are right.

Big businesses and the mega rich should not be able to get away with paying little tax. It fucks up the economy and puts the burden more on the regular people

But tories don't care if the people suffer, as long as they horde their wealth.

You're completely missing the whole point, you can't tax them fundamentally because the people who control the accounts are not resident in the UK. So your idea is basically go around taking money out of accounts of people that don't live in the UK. Secondly how do you do that when the account isn't even in your regulatory area?

You are inhabiting some odd fantasy land over this. There is reality and then there is whatever is in your head and it appears you think just because you say it that makes it possible and or true.

You can tax UK branches though.
The UK branches of mega corporations still find ways not to pay UK taxes, which is what I am referring to.

Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.

But thw UK Amazon branch pays very little to no UK tax

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/ ... s-21631536

Why should these mega corporations UK branches be able to get away with this?

[Heloin]

And why does almost nobody speak Irish in Ireland?

They have no excuse. We don't speak French.

You’re not too familiar with Irish history I take it.

[Celritannia]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-06-02/dig ... ax-in-2019

“It’s outrageous that large multinational giants are moving billions of pounds out of our country and into tax havens or low tax jurisdictions,” said George Turner, the Executive Director of TaxWatch.

“It costs the tax payer and the Treasury a huge amount of money. For the eight companies we looked at, it costs £1.5 billion pounds a year. According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, that’s enough to fund 40,000 full time nurses for the NHS.”

Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, eBay, Adobe and Cisco all say they pay the correct amount of tax in the countries in which they do business. They point out, entirely fairly, that they play by the rules and don’t make them.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

They have no excuse. We don't speak French.

You’re not too familiar with Irish history I take it.

Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.

[Vassenor]

What is the point in this?

Irish language is spoken by tiny amounts of people in Northern Ireland. Am I wrong?

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

38% of the Irish population is apparently "almost nobody".

[Celritannia]

You’re not too familiar with Irish history I take it.

Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.

This is a simplistic view of the English language.

A lot of words that we use are French, have a French origin, or Frankish mixed with old English, Latin, Brittonic, etc.

So no, we do not speak anglo-saxon English, but the English language, through the conquest of the Norman's, allowed words to be added which we use daily.

So yes, outside influences and powers do alter the ways in which a conquered people speak.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Virtue signalling. Almost nobody speaks Irish even in Ireland.

38% of the Irish population is apparently "almost nobody".

They don't actually speak Irish though.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.

This is a simplistic view of the English language.

A lot of words that we uses are French, or Frankish mixed with old English, Latin, Brittonic, etc.

So no, we do not speak anglo-saxon English, but the English language, through the conquest of the Norman's, allowed words to be added which we use daily.

So yes, outside influences and powers do alter the ways in which a conquered people speak.

Let me boil it down for you.

England: speaks English
Ireland: does not speak Irish (outside of some very rural areas)

[Aymes]

I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.

If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.

Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.

[Celritannia]

This is a simplistic view of the English language.

A lot of words that we uses are French, or Frankish mixed with old English, Latin, Brittonic, etc.

So no, we do not speak anglo-saxon English, but the English language, through the conquest of the Norman's, allowed words to be added which we use daily.

So yes, outside influences and powers do alter the ways in which a conquered people speak.

Let me boil it down for you.

England: speaks English
Ireland: does not speak Irish (outside of some very rural areas)

Wales did not speak Welsh fully until a major revival in the 1960s and 70s.

Ireland has every right to have an Irish revival.

[The Nihilistic view]

You're completely missing the whole point, you can't tax them fundamentally because the people who control the accounts are not resident in the UK. So your idea is basically go around taking money out of accounts of people that don't live in the UK. Secondly how do you do that when the account isn't even in your regulatory area?

You are inhabiting some odd fantasy land over this. There is reality and then there is whatever is in your head and it appears you think just because you say it that makes it possible and or true.

You can tax UK branches though.
The UK branches of mega corporations still find ways not to pay UK taxes, which is what I am referring to.

Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.

But thw UK Amazon branch pays very little to no UK tax

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/ ... s-21631536

Why should these mega corporations UK branches be able to get away with this?

Works with corperations too, hence why I made reference a few days ago to the global corporation tax agreement that has been made. You'll never get anything based on inderviduals when illegal evasion hasn't occurred, for companies you need global agreements. It works both ways, BP for example make money all around the world, Labour want to make a windfall tax (which you presumably support) on that worldwide profit just for the UK. So if you do change the current situation you also have to be aware that profits on UK based companies won't be exclusively yours to tax anymore either.

Amazon specifically I wouldn't expect them to be paying massive amounts of CT at the moment in the UK because they are in the middle of a massive investment/expansion programme in the UK so a lot of the spend will come under capital allowance and deferred tax reducing the CT bill as well as just naturally reducing profits through the expense.

For what it's worth https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... sales-rise

[Nationalist Northumbria]

I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.

If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.

Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.

The "law promoting the English language" equivalent is Ulster Scots, which most Irish republicans dismiss as "not a real language" (which is what some English commentators say about the Scots language (it hasn't even been two years since the Scots Wikipedia debacle)) and ridicule. For those not in the know, the two groups don't get on because when the ancestors of the Protestants were (in many cases forcibly) resettled in Northern Ireland the Irish tried to murder them and ally with the people who had sent them there in the first place. This is usually dressed up with talk of "800 years" or "English colonialism" but this is what it actually comes down to when you look at it objectively.

[The Nihilistic view]

You’re not too familiar with Irish history I take it.

Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.

1/3rd of English is French.

[Celritannia]

You can tax UK branches though.
The UK branches of mega corporations still find ways not to pay UK taxes, which is what I am referring to.

Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.

But thw UK Amazon branch pays very little to no UK tax

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/ ... s-21631536

Why should these mega corporations UK branches be able to get away with this?

Works with corperations too, hence why I made reference a few days ago to the global corporation tax agreement that has been made. You'll never get anything based on inderviduals when illegal evasion hasn't occurred, for companies you need global agreements. It works both ways, BP for example make money all around the world, Labour want to make a windfall tax (which you presumably support) on that worldwide profit just for the UK. So if you do change the current situation you also have to be aware that profits on UK based companies won't be exclusively yours to tax anymore either.

Amazon specifically I wouldn't expect them to be paying massive amounts of CT at the moment in the UK because they are in the middle of a massive investment/expansion programme in the UK so a lot of the spend will come under capital allowance and deferred tax reducing the CT bill as well as just naturally reducing profits through the expense.

For what it's worth https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... sales-rise

Yes, which is whybthe tories and the rich friends supported Brexit, to avoid new Tax evasion laws for the whole of the EU.

And I linked an article to show the audacity and harm megacorrporations not paying taxes does to the UK economy.

Yes, I read that article, and they should be paying their tax.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.

1/3rd of English is French.

As I alluded to in my post. You're like a right-wing Celritannia.

[Vassenor]

I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.

If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.

Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.

So you are now the sole arbiter of whether a law should pass?

Why don't you start by explaining how recognising the Irish language is inherently harmful.

[Heloin]

I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.

If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.

There is no need to promote the English language, it’s the most spoken language on earth and 3rd most spoken as a first language.

Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.

You’re not very familiar with Irish history either I take it.

[Celritannia]

I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.

If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.

Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.

The "law promoting the English language" equivalent is Ulster Scots, which most Irish republicans dismiss as "not a real language" (which is what some English commentators say about the Scots language (it hasn't even been two years since the Scots Wikipedia debacle)) and ridicule. For those not in the know, the two groups don't get on because when the ancestors of the Protestants were (in many cases forcibly) resettled in Northern Ireland the Irish tried to murder them and ally with the people who had sent them there in the first place. This is usually dressed up with talk of "800 years" or "English colonialism" but this is what it actually comes down to when you look at it objectively.

This is seriously an oversimplification of the situation.

Although the colonists to the Ulster plantations were mainly from Scotland, so it was British colonialism, not English colonialism.