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The proposals to end the BBC licence fee agreement are:

An excellent idea; the socialists at the BBC have leeched off the British public for far too long.
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An idea I'm open to discussing, though I have reservations about the timing and the specifics.
15
6%
A bad idea as framed; I'm open to reform of BBC funding, but not like this, and not now.
28
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A terrible idea that the government is using to advance a cynical culture war agenda to save Johnson's skin.
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I have an altar to Sir David Attenborough in my living room and have watched every episode of Dr Who.
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Wait... you Brits actually have to pay for a TV licence?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 13, 2022 1:23 pm

Rishi Sunak claims he can't raise benefits because the computer won't let him.

Fractal shiteness. Shite at every possible resolution.

Resolution 1: Rishi is telling the truth. He's a mega-cuck. He's a chancellor who wanted to raise benefits but then the computer wouldn't let him so he's like "okay.jpeg" instead of immediately calling in the IT guy to give him a bollocking and calling for an immediate overhaul of the system. Instead he goes on TV to be like "Sorry guys the computer won't let me UwU."

Resolution 2: Rishi is lying. He thinks you're thick as shit and will fall for this.

Resolution 3: Rishi is lying. He doesn't know how computers work.

Resolution 4: Rishi is lying. He doesn't want to raise benefits but doesn't want to take responsibility for not doing so because he's self-aware it's an awful thing to do.

Resolution 5: Rishi is lying.


EDIT: And ofcourse former chancellors and IT experts are coming out to point out he's a lying sack of shit and the system doesn't work like that.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri May 13, 2022 1:36 pm

Mtwara wrote:Consumers have got some ability to choose how polluting businesses are by not buying some things. You can still get around and own a car without it being an SUV. You can also choose to consume products that use palm oil or are made in unethical ways etc.

I don't think the Tyre Extinguishers are good PR though.

I don't think the way electricity is generated is a "supply side" issue either - you as the consumer help to dictate how much energy the system needs to provide.

The internet consumes a surprising amount of energy, the most interesting example is the Republic of Ireland where datacentres account for 14% of electricity consumption. I'm not an expert but I understand about 10% of the internet is NSFW material, so I'm tempted to say that 1.4% of the RoI's energy consumption is purely for the storage and supply of Europe's porn. It's up to consumers to download that material, and whether or not they view it in UHD. :lol:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61308747
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.4868221

At work and at conferences I have heard the old rule of thumb that 70% of electricity is used by motors is tending towards 30% to 50% as more datacentres get built and other numeric devices are installed.

Another interesting article about IT energy consumption:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06610-y

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri May 13, 2022 1:39 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Rishi Sunak claims he can't raise benefits because the computer won't let him.

Fractal shiteness. Shite at every possible resolution.

Resolution 1: Rishi is telling the truth. He's a mega-cuck. He's a chancellor who wanted to raise benefits but then the computer wouldn't let him so he's like "okay.jpeg" instead of immediately calling in the IT guy to give him a bollocking and calling for an immediate overhaul of the system. Instead he goes on TV to be like "Sorry guys the computer won't let me UwU."

Resolution 2: Rishi is lying. He thinks you're thick as shit and will fall for this.

Resolution 3: Rishi is lying. He doesn't know how computers work.

Resolution 4: Rishi is lying. He doesn't want to raise benefits but doesn't want to take responsibility for not doing so because he's self-aware it's an awful thing to do.

Resolution 5: Rishi is lying.


EDIT: And ofcourse former chancellors and IT experts are coming out to point out he's a lying sack of shit and the system doesn't work like that.


Urm not sure if I should let this out the bag but the "computer" is actually not a regular computer..... it's a Mind upload of Margaret Thatcher.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat May 14, 2022 3:51 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Rishi Sunak claims he can't raise benefits because the computer won't let him.

Fractal shiteness. Shite at every possible resolution.

Resolution 1: Rishi is telling the truth. He's a mega-cuck. He's a chancellor who wanted to raise benefits but then the computer wouldn't let him so he's like "okay.jpeg" instead of immediately calling in the IT guy to give him a bollocking and calling for an immediate overhaul of the system. Instead he goes on TV to be like "Sorry guys the computer won't let me UwU."

Resolution 2: Rishi is lying. He thinks you're thick as shit and will fall for this.

Resolution 3: Rishi is lying. He doesn't know how computers work.

Resolution 4: Rishi is lying. He doesn't want to raise benefits but doesn't want to take responsibility for not doing so because he's self-aware it's an awful thing to do.

Resolution 5: Rishi is lying.


EDIT: And ofcourse former chancellors and IT experts are coming out to point out he's a lying sack of shit and the system doesn't work like that.


They managed to increase benefits during the pandemic. Maybe call the computer whisperer who did that.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 14, 2022 3:54 am

'Porn MP' Neil Parish threatens to stand for re-election against Tory candidate

The politician resigned after he was caught watching porn twice in the House of Commons.

The ex-Tory MP became the focus of both outrage and ridicule when it emerged he had brazenly watched it in the chamber, causing female colleagues to complain.

Mr Parish later said he had accidentally viewed it in the first instance, while searching for tractors on his phone, before later accessing it deliberately.

He resigned his seat in Tiverton and Honiton in South West England after initially looking like he would try to fight on, and admitted he was a "f***ing idiot".

But he is now considering running as an independent in the upcoming by-election triggered by his own resignation, pitting himself against any Tory candidate who stands.

"It is an option for me and one that I could consider," he told the Telegraph.

"The only thing that may well stop me is the fact that my local party, my local activists, my local councillors, are friends. I don't know if I want to do that to them.

"Some of the hierarchy of my own party, I suppose I wouldn't have the same problem with doing it. At the moment, I'm taking soundings."

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He went on: "I've got some sort of quite powerful backers within the farming community... If I stood, it wouldn't be a problem in raising the money. The farming community realised how I fought their corner."
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat May 14, 2022 4:00 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:'Porn MP' Neil Parish threatens to stand for re-election against Tory candidate

The politician resigned after he was caught watching porn twice in the House of Commons.

The ex-Tory MP became the focus of both outrage and ridicule when it emerged he had brazenly watched it in the chamber, causing female colleagues to complain.

Mr Parish later said he had accidentally viewed it in the first instance, while searching for tractors on his phone, before later accessing it deliberately.

He resigned his seat in Tiverton and Honiton in South West England after initially looking like he would try to fight on, and admitted he was a "f***ing idiot".

But he is now considering running as an independent in the upcoming by-election triggered by his own resignation, pitting himself against any Tory candidate who stands.

"It is an option for me and one that I could consider," he told the Telegraph.

"The only thing that may well stop me is the fact that my local party, my local activists, my local councillors, are friends. I don't know if I want to do that to them.

"Some of the hierarchy of my own party, I suppose I wouldn't have the same problem with doing it. At the moment, I'm taking soundings."

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He went on: "I've got some sort of quite powerful backers within the farming community... If I stood, it wouldn't be a problem in raising the money. The farming community realised how I fought their corner."
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 14, 2022 4:05 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:'Porn MP' Neil Parish threatens to stand for re-election against Tory candidate


Spicy
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https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpspr ... tar-nc.jpg

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 14, 2022 4:12 am

Labour have a 10 point lead in both handling the economy and immigration in the latest polling by Redfield and Wilton


Labour actually lead in everything bar protecting the environment where they tie with the Green party on 26%
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 14, 2022 5:21 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:'Porn MP' Neil Parish threatens to stand for re-election against Tory candidate


Spicy
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Psychics have fire power? Sounds serious.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 15, 2022 9:40 am

Statue of Thatcher egged within hours of being unveiled. The statue was placed on a 10ft tall granite plinth in the hopes of protecting it from vandalism, but I'm sure some motivated vandals will rise to the challenge.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun May 15, 2022 9:52 am

Ifreann wrote:Statue of Thatcher egged within hours of being unveiled. The statue was placed on a 10ft tall granite plinth in the hopes of protecting it from vandalism, but I'm sure some motivated vandals will rise to the challenge.


> "The egg throwing came as a surprise to nobody in Grantham."

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Postby Celritannia » Sun May 15, 2022 12:27 pm

Golden era’ of cheap food over as two in five Britons buy less to eat

Thanks Yory Government.

Yes, yes, certain external problems have occurred, but at this level? No, the Tories will never tax the rich to help the poor. They would rather allow us to suffer.
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Postby Mtwara » Sun May 15, 2022 1:14 pm

No surprise about the Thatcher statue, I don't think she was great but I do wonder if it's right to still feel so angry about what she did, we've came a long way since then and looking back at least some of it was broadly right.

There was a lot about the rising price of food in my weekend paper (sadly I put it in the recycling this morning). Off the top of my head it said about 1.1M people in the UK are predicted to starve at least part of the time.

I think it's a sad situation but it highlights what I understand is a bit of a paradox - we expect cheap food and also have increasingly high expectations for animal welfare, fair trade, organic and sustainable stuff. Will the UK on the whole sacrifice its principles for cheaper food?

I know at least one farmer who has bought no fertiliser this year.
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Postby Heloin » Sun May 15, 2022 11:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:Statue of Thatcher egged within hours of being unveiled. The statue was placed on a 10ft tall granite plinth in the hopes of protecting it from vandalism, but I'm sure some motivated vandals will rise to the challenge.

Sometimes out of the blue there exists a spark of hope that the UK isn’t absolutely slatted to head down the path of pure darkness.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon May 16, 2022 6:07 am

Heloin wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Statue of Thatcher egged within hours of being unveiled. The statue was placed on a 10ft tall granite plinth in the hopes of protecting it from vandalism, but I'm sure some motivated vandals will rise to the challenge.

Sometimes out of the blue there exists a spark of hope that the UK isn’t absolutely slatted to head down the path of pure darkness.


Nah, we're completely fucked. Bring on the Russian nukes I say.

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Postby Hukhalia » Mon May 16, 2022 6:08 am

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Heloin wrote:Sometimes out of the blue there exists a spark of hope that the UK isn’t absolutely slatted to head down the path of pure darkness.


Nah, we're completely fucked. Bring on the Russian nukes I say.

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Heloin wrote:Sometimes out of the blue there exists a spark of hope that the UK isn’t absolutely slatted to head down the path of pure darkness.


Nah, we're completely fucked. Bring on the Russian nukes I say.

If Liz Truss get’s her way and by god you know she’s trying!

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon May 16, 2022 10:37 am

Celritannia wrote:Golden era’ of cheap food over as two in five Britons buy less to eat

Thanks Yory Government.

Yes, yes, certain external problems have occurred, but at this level? No, the Tories will never tax the rich to help the poor. They would rather allow us to suffer.


What on earth has taxing rich people got to do with market prices for food? :blink:
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Celritannia wrote:Golden era’ of cheap food over as two in five Britons buy less to eat

Thanks Yory Government.

Yes, yes, certain external problems have occurred, but at this level? No, the Tories will never tax the rich to help the poor. They would rather allow us to suffer.


What on earth has taxing rich people got to do with market prices for food? :blink:

i mean fundamentally it's because the majority of this site's socialists lack any critical or analytical thinking whatsoever and just scream "tax" at anything

the answer of course is to expropriate these bastards' property and guarantee food to all 8)
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon May 16, 2022 10:47 am

Mtwara wrote:No surprise about the Thatcher statue, I don't think she was great but I do wonder if it's right to still feel so angry about what she did, we've came a long way since then and looking back at least some of it was broadly right.

There was a lot about the rising price of food in my weekend paper (sadly I put it in the recycling this morning). Off the top of my head it said about 1.1M people in the UK are predicted to starve at least part of the time.

I think it's a sad situation but it highlights what I understand is a bit of a paradox - we expect cheap food and also have increasingly high expectations for animal welfare, fair trade, organic and sustainable stuff. Will the UK on the whole sacrifice its principles for cheaper food?

I know at least one farmer who has bought no fertiliser this year.


To be perfectly honest I've long thought that as Tory leader the more hated you are after you've left office by a certain subset of the left wing the better the job you did. And for that subset of the left wing of course they are still pissed off because 40 years ago she completely changed the direction of travel for this country and we are still living with an economy and society largely built on those principles. The day people stop hating her is the day I'll start to worry because it will probably mean her legacy has been neutralised.
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The Nihilistic view wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Golden era’ of cheap food over as two in five Britons buy less to eat

Thanks Yory Government.

Yes, yes, certain external problems have occurred, but at this level? No, the Tories will never tax the rich to help the poor. They would rather allow us to suffer.


What on earth has taxing rich people got to do with market prices for food? :blink:


They took the phrase "eat the rich" in a bizarre way.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 16, 2022 2:22 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Golden era’ of cheap food over as two in five Britons buy less to eat

Thanks Yory Government.

Yes, yes, certain external problems have occurred, but at this level? No, the Tories will never tax the rich to help the poor. They would rather allow us to suffer.


What on earth has taxing rich people got to do with market prices for food? :blink:


Because taxing the rich properly means we can reduce the tax burden placed on the poor, allowing them to afford food.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon May 16, 2022 4:49 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Celritannia wrote:Golden era’ of cheap food over as two in five Britons buy less to eat

Thanks Yory Government.

Yes, yes, certain external problems have occurred, but at this level? No, the Tories will never tax the rich to help the poor. They would rather allow us to suffer.


What on earth has taxing rich people got to do with market prices for food? :blink:


Taxing the rich allows governments to put money into vital services and reduces the tax burden of the lower and middle classes so they can afford to eat, afford rent, and afford to heat a home all at the same time.

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Postby Celritannia » Mon May 16, 2022 4:52 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Mtwara wrote:No surprise about the Thatcher statue, I don't think she was great but I do wonder if it's right to still feel so angry about what she did, we've came a long way since then and looking back at least some of it was broadly right.

There was a lot about the rising price of food in my weekend paper (sadly I put it in the recycling this morning). Off the top of my head it said about 1.1M people in the UK are predicted to starve at least part of the time.

I think it's a sad situation but it highlights what I understand is a bit of a paradox - we expect cheap food and also have increasingly high expectations for animal welfare, fair trade, organic and sustainable stuff. Will the UK on the whole sacrifice its principles for cheaper food?

I know at least one farmer who has bought no fertiliser this year.


To be perfectly honest I've long thought that as Tory leader the more hated you are after you've left office by a certain subset of the left wing the better the job you did. And for that subset of the left wing of course they are still pissed off because 40 years ago she completely changed the direction of travel for this country and we are still living with an economy and society largely built on those principles. The day people stop hating her is the day I'll start to worry because it will probably mean her legacy has been neutralised.


Yes, because Tories like making sure the poor, and the UK as a whole suffer, it has always been their nature.

Have you ever thought to stop and ask yourself, why do you support a party that does not give two shits about people being unable to afford to eat and heat a home?
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